Yet another one (rant warning)

entitled

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Price of gas is up, consumers are to blame, especially those dumbasses who drive either huge new beasts or old POS gas guzzlers. General consensus, right?

Bullshit.

This hike in gas prices has been planned for at least the past two years. This from a friend who has quite a bit of stock in a certain petroleum company and can pull enough strings to find things out ahead of time. During a brief phone conversation he admitted that he "could have told you that gas prices would hit three bucks a gallon easy in the next couple of years" and that the uber-goober high lords of the companies had planned it that way.

What's bothersome is that there are plenty of people out there in the real world that work their collective asses off just to be able to get by. Our family happens to be one of those that does this. That big garden i've referred to in other threads? That's just so we can afford to feed all five of us through this winter - if the deer don't get to it all first.

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Well, not a damned thing. But it does mean that i can't afford to go to the store as much as i should. It's a 30+ mile round trip - over a gallon of gas in my car, nearly two in the truck that's officially a yard ornament because we can't scrape enough together to get the transmission fixed.

It means missed opportunities to go sell stuff, which has been the only thing that has kept our heads above water for the past three years. If i can't afford to run into town for groceries once a week there's no way i'll get across the state and be able to pay site fees and such, then expect to be able to make enough to cover travel expenses AND come home with a little extra.

At this point there is no alternative transportation. Period. There's not even the $3 public transportation that other people are bitching about having to deal with. Walking isn't exactly an option. There's no way to get another, more reliable, less expensive vehicle.

If somebody were actually hiring it might be different, but with the minimum wage increase passing recently for this state, nobody can have that added expense. Not until they jack the prices of everything up to make up for the extra expense of the company in having to pay the extra needed to cover that wage increase. Who knows how long that will take? Even with the price of everything else going up, the RA is on a salary that will not be increased at any time soon. He got one starting this year, which is enough to put us in a higher tax bracket. That means the tax returns we rely on to get us through the year will be less. With the prices of everything else going up, i don't know how we're going to make it.

i just don't know.
 
entitled said:
Price of gas is up, consumers are to blame, especially those dumbasses who drive either huge new beasts or old POS gas guzzlers. General consensus, right?

Bullshit.

This hike in gas prices has been planned for at least the past two years. This from a friend who has quite a bit of stock in a certain petroleum company and can pull enough strings to find things out ahead of time. During a brief phone conversation he admitted that he "could have told you that gas prices would hit three bucks a gallon easy in the next couple of years" and that the uber-goober high lords of the companies had planned it that way.

What's bothersome is that there are plenty of people out there in the real world that work their collective asses off just to be able to get by. Our family happens to be one of those that does this. That big garden i've referred to in other threads? That's just so we can afford to feed all five of us through this winter - if the deer don't get to it all first.

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Well, not a damned thing. But it does mean that i can't afford to go to the store as much as i should. It's a 30+ mile round trip - over a gallon of gas in my car, nearly two in the truck that's officially a yard ornament because we can't scrape enough together to get the transmission fixed.

It means missed opportunities to go sell stuff, which has been the only thing that has kept our heads above water for the past three years. If i can't afford to run into town for groceries once a week there's no way i'll get across the state and be able to pay site fees and such, then expect to be able to make enough to cover travel expenses AND come home with a little extra.

At this point there is no alternative transportation. Period. There's not even the $3 public transportation that other people are bitching about having to deal with. Walking isn't exactly an option. There's no way to get another, more reliable, less expensive vehicle.

If somebody were actually hiring it might be different, but with the minimum wage increase passing recently for this state, nobody can have that added expense. Not until they jack the prices of everything up to make up for the extra expense of the company in having to pay the extra needed to cover that wage increase. Who knows how long that will take? Even with the price of everything else going up, the RA is on a salary that will not be increased at any time soon. He got one starting this year, which is enough to put us in a higher tax bracket. That means the tax returns we rely on to get us through the year will be less. With the prices of everything else going up, i don't know how we're going to make it.

i just don't know.


There's nothing productive I can do to help, Ent, so I'll just *hug* and think of you a lot.

H
 
entitled said:
Price of gas is up, consumers are to blame, especially those dumbasses who drive either huge new beasts or old POS gas guzzlers. General consensus, right?

Bullshit.

This hike in gas prices has been planned for at least the past two years. This from a friend who has quite a bit of stock in a certain petroleum company and can pull enough strings to find things out ahead of time. During a brief phone conversation he admitted that he "could have told you that gas prices would hit three bucks a gallon easy in the next couple of years" and that the uber-goober high lords of the companies had planned it that way.

Let me try to explain. The price of oil has gone from a shocking $50 to an even more shocking $60 to a totally outrageous over $70 per barrel. Gasoline is refined from oil. If the price of oil goes up, the price of gasoline goes up. It is a classic cause and effect.

As to your stock owning bullshitter friend, let me explain how gasoline works. There is what they call a futures market in gasoline. A speculator can purchase options to buy future gasoline, that is gasoline that will be refined in future months. Said options are heavily leveraged. For a few thousand dollars, a speculator can tie up say $100,000 of future gasoline. If gasoline goes up by 50% (from $2 per gallon to $3 per gallon), your friend could have made a fortune. If your friend is telling the truth about knowing the future price of gasoline, he has lots of money from trading gasoline futures. Hit him up for a loan/donation. If he is a bullshitter, he won't have the money.

Do the oil companies like rising oil prices? Hell yes! They can sell any oil they produce for more money. The more the oil costs, the more the gasoline costs. The higher the price of the gasoline, the more the petroleum company makes from their refinery operations assuming the same level of sales at the higher price. That last is the joker. If the price rises far enough, sales will be hurt and profits may actually decrease.

Due to the concerns of certain politicians, the US does not produce anywhere near the amount of oil that could be produced with the US and territories. Thus, certain foreign nations effectively control the price of oil. [If anyone disagrees with this last, please explain how a US or European oil company can control say Chavez, when Chavez runs a sovereign country. Then be prepared to explain how the US can control Iran. TIA.]
 
I'm sure that makes her feel sooo much better, Richard.

Her family may go hungry and you tell her it's just a fact of life and she'd better get used to it.

Nicely done.

I wish I could help, ent. All I can offer is *HUGS* and prayers.
 
If you're anywhere near N. Florida, let me know. I can get you a good harness horse for nothing, and if you can either build/find a wagon, you have reliable transportation. Plus lawn-mowing services and fertilizer for garden for free. The only thing you may have to worry about is winter feed, and that you can usually afford by canvassing neighbors for picketing your beastie in their weeds. (Does it show I've actually done this before?)

I've actually started riding most everywhere within a five-mile radius from my job (I work at a barn) to avoid having to spend the extra in gas for my truck. Added benefit, my horse has never been so healthy, energetic or muscular in the last three years.
 
R. Richard said:
Let me try to explain. The price of oil has gone from a shocking $50 to an even more shocking $60 to a totally outrageous over $70 per barrel. Gasoline is refined from oil. If the price of oil goes up, the price of gasoline goes up. It is a classic cause and effect.

As to your stock owning bullshitter friend, let me explain how gasoline works. There is what they call a futures market in gasoline. A speculator can purchase options to buy future gasoline, that is gasoline that will be refined in future months. Said options are heavily leveraged. For a few thousand dollars, a speculator can tie up say $100,000 of future gasoline. If gasoline goes up by 50% (from $2 per gallon to $3 per gallon), your friend could have made a fortune. If your friend is telling the truth about knowing the future price of gasoline, he has lots of money from trading gasoline futures. Hit him up for a loan/donation. If he is a bullshitter, he won't have the money.

Do the oil companies like rising oil prices? Hell yes! They can sell any oil they produce for more money. The more the oil costs, the more the gasoline costs. The higher the price of the gasoline, the more the petroleum company makes from their refinery operations assuming the same level of sales at the higher price. That last is the joker. If the price rises far enough, sales will be hurt and profits may actually decrease.

Due to the concerns of certain politicians, the US does not produce anywhere near the amount of oil that could be produced with the US and territories. Thus, certain foreign nations effectively control the price of oil. [If anyone disagrees with this last, please explain how a US or European oil company can control say Chavez, when Chavez runs a sovereign country. Then be prepared to explain how the US can control Iran. TIA.]
Honey child,l you don't have to explain shit to me about futures. i'm the one that tried to convince the RA that going in with this friend and investing a couple of hundred dollars would be a good thing. i'm neither young or naive enough NOT to know about them.

He is also not a bullshitter. He's got the goods. He has offered me 'help' with our little financial problem - but i'm not a whore, so turned him down.

The rest you can shove up your ass for that lovely condescending tone. :)
 
FallingToFly said:
If you're anywhere near N. Florida, let me know. I can get you a good harness horse for nothing, and if you can either build/find a wagon, you have reliable transportation. Plus lawn-mowing services and fertilizer for garden for free. The only thing you may have to worry about is winter feed, and that you can usually afford by canvassing neighbors for picketing your beastie in their weeds. (Does it show I've actually done this before?)

I've actually started riding most everywhere within a five-mile radius from my job (I work at a barn) to avoid having to spend the extra in gas for my truck. Added benefit, my horse has never been so healthy, energetic or muscular in the last three years.
It's been considered to the point of nearly getting a newborn that was going to be put down and having me train her. They decided not to put her down and have put her to good use as a broodmare. (They being a fairly well known quarter horse ranch nearby.)

Thanks for the suggestion, though.
 
mismused said:
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Many things to agree with, but one big item is missing. What you and JL are missing is that the economies of other countries were known to be going up, most assuredly China.

One of the big things about our system is that it encourages things like "improving the lot" of poorer nations. The hidden rationale for that is that once they've sold developed nations (read US, Europe) all they could, they need new markets, new profit sources. Big business isn't all about making "things better" for the poor nations. It's about getting them into the mainstream of making money so they can spend money to buy what they can no longer sell to the others who have already bought everything already. That's one reason for moving things to be made overseas cheaper (and cheaply put together too). That makes wages in those countries that previously had none, and then they spend it making for more consumers to bouy up their markets.

It's been well known by many that China was soon going to use oil like crazy. Even the sleazy business letter writers knew it. Maybe many didn't pay attention to them because they weren't in the "markets," or they were known to be sleazy so were not paid attention to.

There are other things in the mix too, but that is one of the biggies.

BTW, oil going up almost 100 %? What about copper. It's gone up more than just about anything, and if there's construction, there's copper being used. How high has it gone? It was under 70 cents a little over a year ago. Now it's at $3.12 or so. That's more than quadrupled. With housing going so high in the US, the copper market won't suffer any time soon with China, et.al. growing as expected.

m

I didn't miss anything, I just gave sympathy. I'm staying the hell OUT of this debate...
 
mismused said:
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You're right, JL, my bad, my apologies.

Ent, nothing bad meant toward you either. In fact, I feel for you as I do for myself. Trouble is that it is probably going to get much worse than it is already. Wish you and any that this hits hard the best, and wish I could do something for all. I frankly don't think we deserve to be treated as we have been by those in power, or overly rich, but that's how it's always been, I guess.


:rose:
i know all of this. But i needed to rant and get it off of my chest. You know how it is sometimes. :)

Thank everybody. It's just insanely rough. i know that if we could all pull things together we would support each other, but that's just not the way the world works.
 
entitled said:
i know all of this. But i needed to rant and get it off of my chest. You know how it is sometimes. :)

Thank everybody. It's just insanely rough. i know that if we could all pull things together we would support each other, but that's just not the way the world works.


Rant away darling, it's understandable. *pokes at gas gauge in car* I'll probably be doing some ranting of my own shortly, as it is time to fill up the Rav again. *sigh* Maybe we can start a thread to help the financially challenged of AH with tips and tricks to save money and stretch resources?
 
FallingToFly said:
Rant away darling, it's understandable. *pokes at gas gauge in car* I'll probably be doing some ranting of my own shortly, as it is time to fill up the Rav again. *sigh* Maybe we can start a thread to help the financially challenged of AH with tips and tricks to save money and stretch resources?

That sounds like a fucking brilliant idea. Y'know, I could poke a few of my student friends for ideas too... how some of them survive on what they get is just... yeah.
 
Of course, I have never used one myself, but during desperate economic times many resort to the use of an Okie' credit card.

I would advise those in hard economic circumstances to learn the use of an Okie' credit card, for the purpose of preventing use by others of course.
 
R. Richard said:
Of course, I have never used one myself, but during desperate economic times many resort to the use of an Okie' credit card.

I would advise those in hard economic circumstances to learn the use of an Okie' credit card, for the purpose of preventing use by others of course.

What's an Okie credit card? I'm originally from West Virginia, so I'm a hillbilly. :confused:
 
SEVERUSMAX said:
What's an Okie credit card? I'm originally from West Virginia, so I'm a hillbilly. :confused:
That's one of those things that will land you in jail with fines out the ass. Something only fucktards would know about or use.
 
entitled said:
That's one of those things that will land you in jail with fines out the ass. Something only fucktards would know about or use.

I live in the West. Someone was using an Okie credit card in my area and there were complaints to the local police. However, the scumbags were too busy guarding the local doughnut shop. The Okie credit card user then tried again a few miles down the road in a red neck area. The scumbags not only did not put the Okie credit card guy in jail, they actually put him in a hospital with free room and board. Seems that the Okie credit card user somehow managed to shoot himself with a 12 gauge. Clumsy bastard!
 
R. Richard said:
I live in the West. Someone was using an Okie credit card in my area and there were complaints to the local police. However, the scumbags were too busy guarding the local doughnut shop. The Okie credit card user then tried again a few miles down the road in a red neck area. The scumbags not only did not put the Okie credit card guy in jail, they actually put him in a hospital with free room and board. Seems that the Okie credit card user somehow managed to shoot himself with a 12 gauge. Clumsy bastard!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

See, that's what would happen around here. They're ALL rednecks. People learn to shoot early and don't miss often.
 
entitled - as fellow ranter you just go ahead! Dont know what answers there are other than livin in a wee cave wi nothin but haggis to eat an whisky to drink. mebbe a mule cud work. dinnae ken.

Or a wee cottage beside a sea loch wi a boat and some line so ye can get oabout an catch yer tea?

Seriously - we're now at £1 (whatever dollars that is) per litre of gasoline. Well over £4 a gallon. Tis a bitch
 
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