writing for male v. female

[Ann Vremont]

Wondering if you'd all be so kind as to fill in the blanks below (whether as a writer or a reader).

1. This erotic story is likely to appeal to the MALE reader because:



2. This erotic story is likely to appeal to the FEMALE reader because:




P.S. your answers will be cribbed at will.

Ann

 

[oggbashan]

Wondering if you'd all be so kind as to fill in the blanks below (whether as a writer or a reader).

1. This erotic story is likely to appeal to the MALE reader because:



2. This erotic story is likely to appeal to the FEMALE reader because:




P.S. your answers will be cribbed at will.

Ann

1. It is good to wank to.
2. It gives me a hard doughnut.

or
1. It has a direct appeal and is explicit.
2. It has a plot, a story and some development.

or
All generalisations such as the above are rubbish. See previous threads on whether writers are male or female.

Og

 

[Pure]

The appeal to females will be, if, besides the explicit stuff, there is a 'romantic' component, or even predominant theme.

This is a gross stereo type, but I don't think there's any question but that the 'romance' genre sells mainly to women. And the evolving 'pornish romance' with explicit fucking and a dark stranger with a large cock is going to be bought mostly by women. On the non hetero side, the ingredient of romance appears to me pretty prominent in lesbian pornish erotica.

The element of 'permission' too has often been mentioned. There will be female appeal if the woman in the story is under compulsion/coercion, swept away, or something of that nature, which will make the sex and enjoyment not reflect ill on the person.

None of the above has anything to do with authorship (or gender of author); but simply the author's skill in reaching his or her intended audience.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

Male readers:
--Plenty of graphic description of the physical act.
--Very little post-sexual story
--The plot involves the basic male fantasy of women turning into raging nymphomaniacs in the man's presence or at his touch.
--Lots of physical description of appearance and little or no description of any emotions other than sexual excitement.
--Lack of any nuance or ambiguity in the characters' relationship.
--Woman described with clothes off
--The climax of the story coincides with the sexual climax.
--Women's names end in 'y' or 'i'

Women readers:
--More description of what leads up to the physical act
--Much more emphasis on the social relationship of the characters before and after the sex,
--More thoughts and internal states either described or implied
--Often include playing with feelings of shame, discovery, and power
--Climax of story involves woman's consent
--Male described with clothes on.




---dr.M.

 

[gauchecritic]

Wondering if you'd all be so kind as to fill in the blanks below (whether as a writer or a reader).

1. This erotic story is likely to appeal to the MALE reader because:

See 2.



2. This erotic story is likely to appeal to the FEMALE reader because:

See 1.


P.S. your answers will be cribbed at will.

Ann

Gauche (Hello again Ann. 'Sbeen a while)

 

[Ann Vremont]

Re: Re: writing for male v. female

Originally posted by gauchecritic
1. This erotic story is likely to appeal to the MALE reader because:

See 2.

2. This erotic story is likely to appeal to the FEMALE reader because:

See 1.

Okay, I totally agree with that, but I pretty much agree with all the comments that have been posted so far. But I don't think I'm the average reader and part of my target audience (ah, crass commercialism) is the pollyanna romantica crowd.

Pre-postscript--I will be submitting "Pentacles" later this weekend. It is, by far, the most bizarre erotic story I've ever written (most bizarre period).

Ann

 

[NoJo]

Re: Re: Re: writing for male v. female

It is, by far, the most bizarre erotic story I've ever written (most bizarre period).

Ann

I'm looking forward to it -- so few writers cater to my menstruation fetish.

 

[Omni]

1. This erotic story is likely to appeal to the MALE reader because:

It is a short story (1 lit page is ok 2 is stretching it)

It is a (true) story

It has lots of bodily fluid

Lots of good earthy words none in any poetic style form.

On the male writers side it has very little:

Tags.

Adjectives

ly words

Names

Descriptions

3rd person POV

2. This erotic story is likely to appeal to the FEMALE reader because:

It has thoughts and feelings

A plot

Some style of erotic romance

The men in the story are written in the hopes the female reader will lust and sigh over......

The female reader can identify with the female character in some way IE. like her too, or want to be her.

Sex is not gratuitous but a story within a story.

On the female writers side.

Could be long

Could have tons of tags

Could have ly words to be the band

Has names

Could easily be written in 3 person POV

The words manly, thrust, and throbbing can be used and NOT scoffed at, lol. Or if they are the enlightened female writer does not give a chit. hehehee

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Pure wrote: This is a gross stereo type, but I don't think there's any question but that the 'romance' genre sells mainly to women. And the evolving 'pornish romance' with explicit fucking and a dark stranger with a large cock is going to be bought mostly by women.
__________________________________________________


The parts that resonate with me in what you say here are: "Sells mainly to women" & "To be bought mostly by women"

In the free online market everything is up for grabs, lots of different readers enjoying, however in the buying market IMHO, women will buy a book online, especially erotica, where as generally men will not.

Omni

 

[Ann Vremont]

Re: Re: Re: Re: writing for male v. female

Originally posted by Sub Joe
I'm looking forward to it -- so few writers cater to my menstruation fetish.

Uhm...not that. At least not yet. If you'd like a little non-menstrual blood, I'd suggest New Venus City.

Ann

 

[Svenskaflicka]

1. This erotic story is likely to appeal to the MALE reader because:
The lady in the story is slim, has huge boobs, looks like Barbie, is drunk and stupid, and LOVES to fulfill every erotic wish the man has, including wrestling in green jello with the cute Korean girl from next door.

2. This erotic story is likely to appeal to the FEMALE reader because:
Not only is he muscular, hansome, and has a big dick, he's also romantic, intelligent, rich, generous, and actually remembers to put the toilet seat down when he's finished.

 

[oggbashan]

Re: Re: writing for male v. female

1. This erotic story is likely to appeal to the MALE reader because:
The lady in the story is slim, has huge boobs, looks like Barbie, is drunk and stupid, and LOVES to fulfill every erotic wish the man has, including wrestling in green jello with the cute Korean girl from next door.

2. This erotic story is likely to appeal to the FEMALE reader because:
Not only is he muscular, hansome, and has a big dick, he's also romantic, intelligent, rich, generous, and actually remembers to put the toilet seat down when he's finished.

Erm ... We are talking fantasy - aren't we?

Og

 

[Guest]

No serious answers from me cos I'm not an average erotica (or any genre) reader or writer. I agree with most of the stereotypes posted above.

Perdita

 

[Guest]

1. This erotic story is likely to appeal to the MALE reader because:


2. This erotic story is likely to appeal to the FEMALE reader because:

I can't answer this, because I honestly don't know.

I write what appeals to me, and that also seems to appeal to men much more than to women - judging by the feedback I get, at any rate. I don't write any romance in my stuff, but that isn't because I am aiming it at a particular audience, it's because I don't enjoy that kind of thing myself. I like the more direct, harder hitting and darker stuff. However, my stories do have character development and a plot, they aren't just fuck scenes.

I don't think it's possible to generalise, when it comes to tastes in erotic fiction. It's like asking why a certain flavour of ice-cream would appeal to men, but not to women. It's a personal taste thing, and has nothing to do with gender.

Lou

 

[Svenskaflicka]

Re: Re: Re: writing for male v. female

Erm ... We are talking fantasy - aren't we?

Og

The toilet seat - thing IS a major fantasy for most women. And, like elves and hobbits and goblins, it's a damned rare sight.

 

[angela146]

Presuming (only for the moment) that we're talking about a heterosexual story...

Male:

One way of appealing to a male reader is to give him insight into the mind of a woman. A lot of men don't understand women and want to know more... primarily so that they can turn us on and have sex with us.

Give the man a feeling of "Oh, *that's* how I could get a really gorgeous woman in bed screaming my name and begging me to fuck her."

Female:

Give the female reader a way of not having to blame herself for being horny and wanting sex. She's been swept up in the moment or a man has made the decision for her or there is some kind of noble sacrifice involved or the law of the land dictates that she must lie back and allow him to pleasure her for hours and hours.

"Oh, *that's* how I could get really good sex without having my inner 'mommy' voice disapproving."

 

[A7inchPhildo]

Male: Fuck! Fuck harder! Fuck unrealistic! Fuck the unknown! Fuck what you can't get in real life! Fuck it if it moves!
Men also tend to like first person point of view M or F.


Not a female, so only what seems to attract female feedback.

Female: Intimate, sex with passion/feeling, Hot sex if it has good reasonable lead up to hard sex, a female being seduced or almost willing tricked into the wild sex, public tease with subtle results described, pillow talk after the event.
Women tend to like first person point of view, but also seem to like third person stories more so than men.

 

[Svenskaflicka]

NOW you're talking!

Phil, about your AV... now THAT's what I call a dildo!*drools*

 

[Dirty Slut]

Originally posted by Pure
The appeal to females will be, if, besides the explicit stuff, there is a 'romantic' component, or even predominant theme.

This is a gross stereo type, but I don't think there's any question but that the 'romance' genre sells mainly to women. And the evolving 'pornish romance' with explicit fucking and a dark stranger with a large cock is going to be bought mostly by women. On the non hetero side, the ingredient of romance appears to me pretty prominent in lesbian pornish erotica.

The element of 'permission' too has often been mentioned. There will be female appeal if the woman in the story is under compulsion/coercion, swept away, or something of that nature, which will make the sex and enjoyment not reflect ill on the person.

None of the above has anything to do with authorship (or gender of author); but simply the author's skill in reaching his or her intended audience.

Pure, are you an author? Just curious as I can't find any stories here written by you.

DS

 

[lucky-E-leven]

Pure, are you an author? Just curious as I can't find any stories here written by you.

DS

Dirty Slut,

You should know that dear Pure is the 'devil's advocate' on all discussion threads, especially the political ones. Not sure if he writes smut or not, but giggle that you asked. He lives to debate things and regardless of what side he stands on, will take the least expressed/favored point of view and argue it tirelessly.

I think most of us would concede that the women readers of Lit enjoy a little innuendo with their reading, while men would love nothing more than a clearly drawn picture of the physical happenings. Interesting and fun to see how each person responds. As an author, I can appreciate any written work that includes a well told story, even if it's mostly physically based. I happen to be drawn to the story moreso than the simple sex that may be described, but can really hit it off on straight smut if in the proper mood.

I hesitate to offer up an opinion on the male psyche when reading erotica because I write mainly in the lesbian sex category and, surprisingly enough, have had a fair amount of feedback from males. Most of my stories are based on romance/relationships and contrary to many of the posts here, have met with rave reviews on the male side. Maybe it's just the fantasy of two women...I can't say, but narrowing it down to male/female perspectives seems misleading to me.

But I do think that many female readers are searching for emotional fulfillment as well as physical fulfillment. Just an opinion.

~lucky

 

[Dirty Slut]

Originally posted by lucky-E-leven
Dirty Slut,

You should know that dear Pure is the 'devil's advocate' on all discussion threads, especially the political ones. Not sure if he writes smut or not, but giggle that you asked. He lives to debate things and regardless of what side he stands on, will take the least expressed/favored point of view and argue it tirelessly.


~lucky

Thanks Lucky, that explains a lot.

DS

 

[Pure]

DS:

//Thanks Lucky, that explains a lot.//

I'm glad so much is 'explained' by someone who doesn't know me!
My stands on most issues are pretty clear to those that bother to interact.

 

[Guest]

I'm glad so much is 'explained' by someone who doesn't know me!
My stands on most issues are pretty clear to those that bother to interact.

You are very well known, by your posts, pure, as well as by your silly, ineffectual yet smelly 's. Your so called 'stands' are always based on your motives. Your only mote of a chance of respect is such posts as above being read by those who do not know you, yet.

Perdita

 

[Pure]

There, perd, feel better? Take a crap, wipe it on the keyboard and post your endless venom. Adds to any thread!



(Shaitan)


//You are very well known, by your posts, pure, as well as by your silly, ineffectual yet smelly 's. Your so called 'stands' are always based on your motives. Your only mote of a chance of respect is such posts as above being read by those who do not know you, yet.

Perdita//

 

[dr_mabeuse]

Female:

Give the female reader a way of not having to blame herself for being horny and wanting sex. She's been swept up in the moment or a man has made the decision for her or there is some kind of noble sacrifice involved or the law of the land dictates that she must lie back and allow him to pleasure her for hours and hours.

"Oh, *that's* how I could get really good sex without having my inner 'mommy' voice disapproving."

That's a very insightful way of looking at it. You know, I've suspected something like that for a long time, but I could never quite put my finger on it.

Of course all generalities are false, but I think the basic male erotic fantasy is that any woman will become a nymphomaniac in his presence. I think your description is a very succinct way of summing up the basic female fantasy.

---dr.M.

 

[Ann Vremont]

sex w/o being a slut

It is changing, thankfully. I salute all our little 20 something donna juanitas out there having sex when and how they want it without worrying what is being thought about them.