Would You Write This Story

neonlyte

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It happens that I know an astonishingly wealthy individual. He is extremely publicity shy. However, he is aging, one of his life long friends died recently.

I used his 'spare apartment' on 5th Avenue when I was in NYC recently and the subject of my friends 'life story' came up in discussion with his eldest son. It was more than a discussion, I was sounded out about how I might approach the task.

There is a photograph in his apartment showing my friend with Bill Clinton, Jackie Chan, Mick Jagger and Ronnie Wood. His life story, the people he knows, his origins, and his philanthropy would make compelling reading. I received an e-mail from my friend this morning requesting we meet next time I'm in London.

I have no idea where this might lead, he's the kind of guy who trusts family (I'm related) to do things for him rather than appoint outsiders; I'm one of the very few members of the extended family who has never worked with him. We had a problem at the time he was divorcing his first wife, she took up with a young architect I employed, my friend wasn't best pleased since in his culture, divorce doesn't necessarily mean the end of a relationship. I've lost count of the number of times his first wife tried to top herself, it's taken her twenty years to recover a degree of normality.

There is a catch to writing his life story, his personal life borders on the insane. By that I mean this is a guy who took his mistress on his honeymoon, as well as his wife. The two women were on seperate floors. His daughter by his mistress only discovered last year he was her father, despite eventually marrying 'the mistress' four years ago (she is wife number four). He has seven offspring, that I know about, three of whom might be classified as mentally disabled due to the psychological trauma they suffered as children.

He has set up his older offspring to compete with one another - bestowing each with a $50million investment fund - to see which of them should inherit 'his empire'. The younger son from his first marriage came bottom in the first year of this trial, he only made $3million from investing on the stock exchange, a 6% return is way below expectation. His two sons hate him, yet he imprisons them by a life style they grew up with and from which it is very difficult to withdraw. As an outsider you can tell them to walk away; from their position they have nothing to walk away to, they can succeed by using his contacts and influence and feel worthless outside of their fathers sphere.

If you were asked, could you write his story omitting the salacious elements of his life?
 
I couldn't do it, neon. The man obviously has very poor ethics, and may not be all that balanced mentally.

He appears to me to be smart enough to know the damage he does, and hard hearted enough not to care.

I'd tell him to take a hike. And find someone whose good opinion can be bought.
 
rgraham666 said:
I couldn't do it, neon. The man obviously has very poor ethics, and may not be all that balanced mentally.

He appears to me to be smart enough to know the damage he does, and hard hearted enough not to care.

I'd tell him to take a hike. And find someone whose good opinion can be bought.
Good instinct, Rob. Might still go along and see what he has to say. As a plot, it would make a damn good story.
 
Depends:

a) Would it still make a good story if you left out all the 'salacious elements'?

b) There's the personal honour thing. If he's a nice guy who's just made a couple of stupid mistakes with his life, then I think you'd be perfectly justified in glossing over them. But if you know for a fact that he's been a cunt to other people, would you feel happy with the idea of being the one to go public and say, "Hey, he's actually a really nice guy."

Up to you, Neon :rose:
 
scheherazade_79 said:
Depends:

a) Would it still make a good story if you left out all the 'salacious elements'?

b) There's the personal honour thing. If he's a nice guy who's just made a couple of stupid mistakes with his life, then I think you'd be perfectly justified in glossing over them. But if you know for a fact that he's been a cunt to other people, would you feel happy with the idea of being the one to go public and say, "Hey, he's actually a really nice guy."

Up to you, Neon :rose:
On a) It probably would as a biography. The man has the most astonishing ability to cut deals and he moves in circles almost beyond belief.

b) He's probably the most cynical person in his personal life I've ever met. He never looks back on the mistakes, just repeats them using his wealth to gloss over peoples feelings. We had a frank discussion about his son's a few years ago, his attitude was never to think about the mistakes or accept any responsibility for their psychological trauma 'If I looked back, I'd have to kill myself,' he told me.
 
I think if I were you, I would right the story but instead of leaving out the grim details, I would endeavour to explain the motivations and reasons for them. This is truly an interesting charactor, for better or worse and they make the best stories. If he was competely wonderful and perfect, it would be boring. You say he was a philanthropist so he can't be completely evil, yet there are parts of his life where he has appeared to be evil. I think it would be a worthy exploration to discover why. The motivations and influences of such a person would definately be worthy of the written word.

Just my 2 cents.
 
maggot420 said:
I think if I were you, I would right the story but instead of leaving out the grim details, I would endeavour to explain the motivations and reasons for them. This is truly an interesting charactor, for better or worse and they make the best stories. If he was competely wonderful and perfect, it would be boring. You say he was a philanthropist so he can't be completely evil, yet there are parts of his life where he has appeared to be evil. I think it would be a worthy exploration to discover why. The motivations and influences of such a person would definately be worthy of the written word.

Just my 2 cents.
Not sure he'd agree to that, but it is the only way to tell his story. This almost wonderous split personality is what would make the story, good and evil, the perverted philanthropist. I shouldn't be thinking about this :D
 
neonlyte said:
Not sure he'd agree to that, but it is the only way to tell his story. This almost wonderous split personality is what would make the story, good and evil, the perverted philanthropist. I shouldn't be thinking about this :D
I think you should. :D
 
I agree with Carson...
And as an avid reader of biographies it's the intimate personal details - salacious or not - that make the difference between a put-it-down-after-the-first-chapter dull as ditchwater Biography and the -oh-my-god-recommending-it-to-all-my-friends fascinating and illuminating biography. A bit of a search on the internet would probably throw up the basic facts about the details of his business life, what a good biographer offers is a glimpse into the psyche and life of the man.

Just my humble opinion :)
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Thanks Carson, maggot and Mils.

Waiting until his demise probably won't work. I know some of the story but not all of it. Only he can tell the whole story - at least, his version of it.

This guy is immensely secretive, he employs people to keep his name off the Internet. Googling his name produces 88k entries, the first three are dated 2004, 2001, 1998. Hell, if I google my name I get 32 million entries (Ok - he has an unusual name :D ) His holding company only has just over 1 million entries, getting information after his demise might not be an option.

Just to turn this further into an ethical dilemma, as some of you know, I'm not in great health, I have a currently stable asbestos health problem that could develop into a 'no hope' cancer overnight with a very short life expectancy. So ... what do you do if he offers payment. How much to write the 'clean version' of his life?
 
I would decline any offer to write a clean version, what I would offer is to write everything (retaining copyright) and then let him edit the fuck out of it for his biography.

Afterwards (upon his demise) I would assert copyright and publish the whole.

On the other hand (assuming you're going to be offered millions) I would write it anyway he chose.

Authorial integrity v. a shit load of money. Difficult choice. But hey, that's what pen names are for.
 
Tough call, this one. I think it hinges on how much damage you might feel would be attached to the release of the white-washed version of the story. If you're contributing to the damage that this man has inflicted on, well, just about everybody within two miles of him from the sound of it, then it's a problem. If this is just a corporate communications puff piece in book form (like Shatner's 'autobiography'), then there's not a problem.

The related problem is whether or not to have your real name associated with this. A pseuodnym isn't usually a problem, though, unless there are external reasons why your subject wants you to use your real name.

Decades ago, Harlan Ellison said something that I've quoted professionally ever since. (I write for a living as well as for fun.) He was saying that he'd written a story that he didn't like the characters in, he didn't like the ending, he didn't like the magazine he sold it to... but he made 3x as much as he would've if he'd done it any other way. He concluded by saying this:

'Moral of the story: I may prostitute my art, but at least I am not a cheap whore.'

It's a pity that you probably can't write something with the facts in it. The person sounds fascinating. Horrible, but fascinating.
 
john-the-author said:
Decades ago, Harlan Ellison said something that I've quoted professionally ever since. (I write for a living as well as for fun.) He was saying that he'd written a story that he didn't like the characters in, he didn't like the ending, he didn't like the magazine he sold it to... but he made 3x as much as he would've if he'd done it any other way. He concluded by saying this:

'Moral of the story: I may prostitute my art, but at least I am not a cheap whore.'

Snicker. Sounds like Ellison.

I am sooo jealous of that man's writing ability. Can't say I'm overly fond of the man himself.
 
neonlyte said:
On a) It probably would as a biography. The man has the most astonishing ability to cut deals and he moves in circles almost beyond belief.

b) He's probably the most cynical person in his personal life I've ever met. He never looks back on the mistakes, just repeats them using his wealth to gloss over peoples feelings. We had a frank discussion about his son's a few years ago, his attitude was never to think about the mistakes or accept any responsibility for their psychological trauma 'If I looked back, I'd have to kill myself,' he told me.
Fwiw, that kind of suggest that he knows what flaws he has.

Question is, does he want a biography, or a resume? Even if the focus would be his siccess as a businessman, the former would require looking at why he has been so successful. And you can only do that by honestly portraying the person, the ambition, drive and narccissism that fuels it. And how to illustrate that, if not by how it affected his private life?

If I was asked this, I'd decline. Because if I'll write a bio, I'll write a good and proper bio. Unless I was payed a hefty bag-o-cash to ghost write an AUTObiography. Then it's his name on the sleeve, and he is the sender of the message, not I.
 
rgraham666 said:
Snicker. Sounds like Ellison.

I am sooo jealous of that man's writing ability. Can't say I'm overly fond of the man himself.

I used to know him fairly well many years ago. It was truly dazzling how much tail he got--women would literally throw themselves at him, which is an impressive thing to see happen when it's in front of a crowd--but no, I don't think I'd like to be him, either.
 
john-the-author said:
I used to know him fairly well many years ago. It was truly dazzling how much tail he got--women would literally throw themselves at him, which is an impressive thing to see happen when it's in front of a crowd--but no, I don't think I'd like to be him, either.

I've always liked his writing. I have a ton of his books including both collections of his old newspaper TV column The Glass Teat.

I think that his stories I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream and 'Repent, Harlequin' Said the Ticktockman are two of the very best short stories I've ever read.

However, his snarly attitude more than balances off his writing skill.
 
maggot420 said:
I think if I were you, I would right the story but instead of leaving out the grim details, I would endeavour to explain the motivations and reasons for them. This is truly an interesting character, for better or worse and they make the best stories. If he was completely wonderful and perfect, it would be boring. You say he was a philanthropist so he can't be completely evil, yet there are parts of his life where he has appeared to be evil. I think it would be a worthy exploration to discover why. The motivations and influences of such a person would definitely be worthy of the written word.

Just my 2 cents.

I can't remember who wrote it , but I believe that the book is called Cain And Abel. Its about two men from extremely different upbringings who ended up in a very similar job field and eventually ended up in the exact same one with the exact same goal. Global domination of a market. They both did horrible things for reasons to their own minds that were completely justified. It was a fantastic book. I think Maggot's idea is brilliant.
 
It sounds like this guy may be fairly manipulative. He'd have to be to have the kind of success he has. Is it possible, given your situation (family connection, your health) that he is trying to manipulate you too? On the other hand, he may just want those nasty details of his life put out there and his motivations explained. I think I would talk to him and see what he has in mind, but I don't think I would write a dishonest version of his life.
 
Dar~ said:
I can't remember who wrote it , but I believe that the book is called Cain And Abel. Its about two men from extremely different upbringings who ended up in a very similar job field and eventually ended up in the exact same one with the exact same goal. Global domination of a market. They both did horrible things for reasons to their own minds that were completely justified. It was a fantastic book. I think Maggot's idea is brilliant.

(J)Geoffery Archer - one time member of the UK Parliament. Recently released from prison after lying to extract libel damages from a newspaper who accused him of 'paying off' a prositute. Married to the divine and sainted Mary.
 
drksideofthemoon said:
Short answer...no...

ETA: After reading I thought I should rephrase my answer. No, I would have no desire to write about a person like this.
 
I would seriously worry about the repercussions he'd try to enact if he didn't like what you'd done.
The guy has the power to squash you like a bug, and the kind of conscience to do it.

Someone much smarter than I is looking over my shoulder right now-- she says;

"Do it, exactly the way he wants you to. take notes the whole time and keep them off your computer, someplace safe. Be more paranoid than you think you possibly need to be. make two copies of your notes, even, and keep them in two different spots. Talk to a lawyer.

After he dies, you can write the story of how you wrote the biography."


She says to take a look at the Barbara Bush bio biography for an excellent example of how it can be done....
 
Stella (and wise friend) ;)

Thanks for the advice, we'll see what happens and plan accordingly (though there is actually not much to squash).

Just to throw another snippet - I learnt today that a joint friend who worked for him many years ago, has recently been diagnosed with prostrate cancer. He can't afford the op, and the waiting list here for the health service is several months long. The business man, on learning of the friends illness is arranging to fly him and his wife to the US for the operation. It's a bizarre dichotomy that treats friends and business contacts better than wives and offspring. He needs writing about and I'm beginning to sense there are two versions to be written.
 
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