Male Archetypes

[Britva415]

I'm getting meme dissonance with that one.

You don't think this is a classic male archetype?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FW0R7P_XoAAh3yn.jpg:large

I'm just surprised I'm the first person to look beyond "straight" ones.

 

[AlinaX]

You don't think this is a classic male archetype?

So, there's a woman alone in the woods and she's caught between a bear and a man - but she can't tell which is which, and anyway they both want to eat her.

 

[Britva415]

So, there's a woman alone in the woods and she's caught between a bear and a man - but she can't tell which is which, and anyway they both want to eat her.

I don't think The Bear does he's looking for a different sort of meat.

 

[Jackie.Hikaru]

I don't think The Bear does he's looking for a different sort of meat.

… hot dogs not tacos

Sorry

 

[Cagivagurl]

The real man..... Fat, bald. Lives on the couch holding a beer screaming at the TV... Thinks, he's always right, thinks he knows everything, Thinks every woman in the world desires him. Often found making misogynistic comments about the females of the species in forums...

The jock... A brainless idiot who thinks just because he's good at sports, he is gods gift to women....
The complainer.... Often confused with the whiner. Easy to do as they both have the same traits... Thinks he's infallible, Not brave enough to say anything, but behind closed doors mutters and complains about nobody appreciating him. Hates the female of the species, because he is so grossly unattractive. Thinks everybody is out to get him... Often found in forums inserting demeaning terms for women.
The man... Thinks thinks women exist solely for his pleasure. Secretly hates them because they treat his so badly. He often ponders the reasons why they can't accept that he is so fabulous. Often found complaining about women's poor driving skills, even though 80% of all accidents are attributed to men. Can't understand the reason a women has been promoted over him, even though he's been there 30 years. Can't understand why women find terms like MILF derogatory. Likes to make jokes about blonde women, even though he can't understand them.

Cagivagurl

 

[MelissaBaby]

Likely to have children with multiple different women. All partners probably called Julie, or Chardonnay, or Tiffany.

Ha ha. That was my stripper name.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Sometimes I forget how hilarious a place AH is.

 

[lovecraft68]

The Lone Wolf- outsider, unpopular, anti-social, often has disdain for most people. Usually incorporates some aspects of the bad boy character in that they're a negative package but appealing all the more to some because of it. Common trope is the "I don't want to be bothered, but dammit she pulled me into it anyway

AKA the story of me and my wife.

 

[TheRedChamber]

The real man..... Fat, bald. Lives on the couch holding a beer screaming at the TV... Thinks, he's always right, thinks he knows everything, Thinks every woman in the world desires him. Often found making misogynistic comments about the females of the species in forums...

The jock... A brainless idiot who thinks just because he's good at sports, he is gods gift to women....
The complainer.... Often confused with the whiner. Easy to do as they both have the same traits... Thinks he's infallible, Not brave enough to say anything, but behind closed doors mutters and complains about nobody appreciating him. Hates the female of the species, because he is so grossly unattractive. Thinks everybody is out to get him... Often found in forums inserting demeaning terms for women.
The man... Thinks thinks women exist solely for his pleasure. Secretly hates them because they treat his so badly. He often ponders the reasons why they can't accept that he is so fabulous. Often found complaining about women's poor driving skills, even though 80% of all accidents are attributed to men. Can't understand the reason a women has been promoted over him, even though he's been there 30 years. Can't understand why women find terms like MILF derogatory. Likes to make jokes about blonde women, even though he can't understand them.

Cagivagurl

The Stoic - rolls his eyes and gets on with his day.

 

[Cagivagurl]

The Stoic - rolls his eyes and gets on with his day.

That one is not gender specific...

 

[TheRedChamber]

That one is not gender specific...

Right, right. And all your negatives ones were. Got it.

 

[Cagivagurl]

Right, right. And all your negatives ones were. Got it.

Didn't see any complaints when the previous thread overflowed with negative female comments... I guess it reflects the gender make up of this group.. It's OK to dump on the females of the species....
Just don't dare to say anything negative about the males....
No worries...

Cagivagurl

 

[TheRedChamber]

Didn't see any complaints when the previous thread overflowed with negative female comments... I guess it reflects the gender make up of this group.. It's OK to dump on the females of the species....
Just don't dare to say anything negative about the males....
No worries...

Cagivagurl

The Stoic - Rolls his eyes and gets...oh wait, I've done that one.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Didn't see any complaints when the previous thread overflowed with negative female comments... I guess it reflects the gender make up of this group.. It's OK to dump on the females of the species....
Just don't dare to say anything negative about the males....
No worries...

Cagivagurl

That's really not the issue here. I was a bit reluctant to participate in the female thread until it was clearly established that we were talking about archetypes we used in our stories and not about real people. After that, it became a fun thread to read.

But you were very much against the idea of that thread, even after the clarification. You didn't contribute there at all, but instead kept saying how wrong the very idea of the thread is. Yet now, here, you suddenly decide to participate by using only extremely negative archetypes.

You can hate or love the idea behind these two threads, I don't care, but at least try to have some consistency in your views.

 

[Vammatar]

I didn't see anything offensive in the other thread, but I have an odd sense of humour and a thick skin.

 

[Vammatar]

The Goth... Steals your make up and most of your clothes, ends up with the guy you were going to leave him for because he's prettier than you are.

 

[Baztrachian]

The Lone Wolf- outsider, unpopular, anti-social, often has disdain for most people. Usually incorporates some aspects of the bad boy character in that they're a negative package but appealing all the more to some because of it. Common trope is the "I don't want to be bothered, but dammit she pulled me into it anyway

AKA the story of me and my wife.

The Stoic - Rolls his eyes and gets...oh wait, I've done that one.

The Stoic Lone Wolf.

This guy is a Sigma. He's got few friends but the friends he has are fiercely loyal to him and he's fiercely loyal to them.

John Wick comes to mind.

With women he won't waste his time on some floof who just wants a good time for a night. He wants a woman he knows will either commit to him or can be made to commit to him.

He holds societal norms in utter contempt. Yet in general he's one of the more law abiding people you'd ever meet. Keeps his car clean, mows the lawn every Saturday morning, always pays for parking, generous tipper, drives like a saint, and will absolutely tear off your head and shit fury down your throat if you fuck with him.

Or those few people he loves. May God have mercy on your soul if you mess with the people he loves.

He's got one woman. Maybe two. And while he may seem imperfect to them at first they eventually come to understand him as they join that circle of friends and family that he is fiercely loyal to.

 

[Cagivagurl]

That's really not the issue here. I was a bit reluctant to participate in the female thread until it was clearly established that we were talking about archetypes we used in our stories and not about real people. After that, it became a fun thread to read.

But you were very much against the idea of that thread, even after the clarification. You didn't contribute there at all, but instead kept saying how wrong the very idea of the thread is. Yet now, here, you suddenly decide to participate by using only extremely negative archetypes.

You can hate or love the idea behind these two threads, I don't care, but at least try to have some consistency in your views.

You can't have it both ways. which is the point of my comments here.
Archetypes come from how you see the world around us. Dumb Blonde comes from the way the writer sees their environment. Milfs, broads, sluts, they come from reality...
If it's OK to dump those on women, then it should be the same for the men...
In my opinion... I may have gone a little overboard, but that was to make my point...

Saying they're just archetypes, doesn't make it OK, because those sentiments exist in real life... So, OK. Joke about it, then you have to accept the other side of the coin....

IMO....

Cagivagurl

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Archetypes come from how you see the world around us. Dumb Blonde comes from the way the writer sees their environment. Milfs, broads, sluts, they come from reality...

I don't know about others, but I can clearly separate fiction from reality.
There are plenty of examples in fiction with idealistically portrayed men and women - fearless heroes without fault, and brave maidens who laugh in the face of adversity. As unrealistic as they often are, they can nevertheless be inspiring as characters. They can be better than the real person and maybe set an example for all of us. I see them as something positive.

Lit is a whole different kind of unrealistic. Can you imagine realistically portrayed moms and sons who engage in frivolous sex? The guilt, the shame, the conflict? The tragedy it would inflict on their lives and their family? Then there are all those cheating stories, not to mention non-con? There wouldn't be much space for titillation if there were a lot of realism involved.

So those, often one-dimensional, characters serve their purpose to make the story lighter, and to allow the reader to focus on the erotic part. Of course, there are also those Lit stories that feature more realistic characters with all their faults and angst and imperfection, and that makes the erotic part more difficult to achieve. But even those stories are rarely completely realistic. These approaches are all good in their own way, and they serve a clear purpose.

Are there people who maybe start thinking that, because they've read stories featuring lusty milfs next door, that their own neighbor is the same? Maybe, but they are no greater fools than those who believe in perfect princes and heroes, and brave and virtuous maidens from all those romances. My point is that we all need to clearly separate fiction from reality. But that also doesn't mean we can't enjoy reading about all those perfect, charming heroes and maidens, but also all those busty moms and sons, hotwives and cucklods, doms and subs.

 

[AlinaX]

The complainer.... Often confused with the whiner. Easy to do as they both have the same traits... Thinks he's infallible, Not brave enough to say anything, but behind closed doors mutters and complains about nobody appreciating him. Hates the female of the species, because he is so grossly unattractive. Thinks everybody is out to get him... Often found in forums inserting demeaning terms for women.

Nice to see you getting into the spirit of it.

 

[AlinaX]

The Self-Aware Narrator - (Typically Male) A variant of first-person narrator whose voice overlaps with the authorial. Can seem overindulgent and pretensious.

ETA: That word has been bothering me since the moment I typed it. Has taken me a whole day to get around to checking the spelling and confirming that it's wrong.

 

[StillStunned]

The Self-Aware Narrator - (Typically Male) A variant of first-person narrator whose voice overlaps with the authorial. Can seem overindulgent and pretensious.

Now I *know* you're just describing me.

 

[Cagivagurl]

I don't know about others, but I can clearly separate fiction from reality.
There are plenty of examples in fiction with idealistically portrayed men and women - fearless heroes without fault, and brave maidens who laugh in the face of adversity. As unrealistic as they often are, they can nevertheless be inspiring as characters. They can be better than the real person and maybe set an example for all of us. I see them as something positive.

Lit is a whole different kind of unrealistic. Can you imagine realistically portrayed moms and sons who engage in frivolous sex? The guilt, the shame, the conflict? The tragedy it would inflict on their lives and their family? Then there are all those cheating stories, not to mention non-con? There wouldn't be much space for titillation if there were a lot of realism involved.

So those, often one-dimensional, characters serve their purpose to make the story lighter, and to allow the reader to focus on the erotic part. Of course, there are also those Lit stories that feature more realistic characters with all their faults and angst and imperfection, and that makes the erotic part more difficult to achieve. But even those stories are rarely completely realistic. These approaches are all good in their own way, and they serve a clear purpose.

Are there people who maybe start thinking that, because they've read stories featuring lusty milfs next door, that their own neighbor is the same? Maybe, but they are no greater fools than those who believe in perfect princes and heroes, and brave and virtuous maidens from all those romances. My point is that we all need to clearly separate fiction from reality. But that also doesn't mean we can't enjoy reading about all those perfect, charming heroes and maidens, but also all those busty moms and sons, hotwives and cucklods, doms and subs.

Most of us can discriminate between reality and fiction. The point i tried to make is...
Characters are archetypical, because they are a reflection of the writers vision of the world.
Before you can laugh at others, you must first be able to laugh at yourself...
If you think it's fair to heap derogatory terms on women, then you must be able to accept the reverse.
I personally dislike double standards... My comments were tongue in cheek, merely to make a point.

I realise that this is a male dominated group. Somewhere around 85 - 90% male. (A guess, not a fact). However, I do get tired of women being continually put down and demeaned...
Also, I do believe that what is written in fiction, can affect the way we view the world. I use can, rather than does, because it is simply my opinion.

Cagivagurl

 

[AlinaX]

Most of us can discriminate between reality and fiction. The point i tried to make is...
Characters are archetypical, because they are a reflection of the writers vision of the world.
Before you can laugh at others, you must first be able to laugh at yourself...
If you think it's fair to heap derogatory terms on women, then you must be able to accept the reverse.
I personally dislike double standards... My comments were tongue in cheek, merely to make a point.

I realise that this is a male dominated group. Somewhere around 85 - 90% male. (A guess, not a fact). However, I do get tired of women being continually put down and demeaned...
Also, I do believe that what is written in fiction, can affect the way we view the world. I use can, rather than does, because it is simply my opinion.

Cagivagurl

This thread is the perfect place to have fun at men's expense. Why waste your life in arguments.

 

[Britva415]

The Self-Aware Narrator - (Typically Male) A variant of first-person narrator whose voice overlaps with the authorial. Can seem overindulgent and pretensious.

Aka "The ManSplainArrator"