Workers of the world, unite!

I trust they won't want any special recognition when they arrive at any discoveries.

Most scientists don't do their jobs because they're expecting a Nobel, they do it because they want to know stuff.
 
Yep, we need government. I'd argue we don't need government that can be bought.

You went from "the masses!" and "fuck the betters!" to "government okay, but government that can't be bought!". Sort of like having your cake and eating it too.

Which is your actual position?
 
You went from "the masses!" and "fuck the betters!" to "government okay, but government that can't be bought!". Sort of like having your cake and eating it too.

Which is your actual position?

I don't see any dichotomy between them.
 
I don't see any dichotomy between them.

'Government' implies 'leaders', yet you want none, ergo you can't have "the masses" and "government" without the latter "ordering around" the former.

So, which is it?
 
'Government' implies 'leaders', yet you want none, ergo you can't have "the masses" and "government" without the latter "ordering around" the former.

So, which is it?

No, government implies administrators.
 
Okay....

Who put the administrators in a position of authority over the masses?

Who says they're in authority? Just because someone is tasked with making sure the sewerage doesn't run backwards doesn't make them an authority figure.
 
Who says they're in authority? Just because someone is tasked with making sure the sewerage doesn't run backwards doesn't make them an authority figure.

So by 'tasked' you mean more in the vein of "if you could manage that on your own and without the help of others, it would be very much appreciated"?
 
So by 'tasked' you mean more in the vein of "if you could manage that on your own and without the help of others, it would be very much appreciated"?

No. I'm hardly proposing a utopian anarchy.
 
No. I'm hardly proposing a utopian anarchy.

TBH, I'm not sure what you're proposing. Your concepts seem to be at odds with each other. The only way I can see of rationalizing what you're saying is by "the masses" sharing one collective mind.

I don't think that's happening anytime soon.
 
TBH, I'm not sure what you're proposing. Your concepts seem to be at odds with each other. The only way I can see of rationalizing what you're saying is by "the masses" sharing one collective mind.

I don't think that's happening anytime soon.

Actually, a collective voting on what's for the good of the community is more possible now than it ever has been. Instantaneous communication pretty much does away with the need for an elected assembly.
 
Actually, a collective voting on what's for the good of the community is more possible now than it ever has been. Instantaneous communication pretty much does away with the need for an elected assembly.

Regardless, unless administrators are empowered to effect the vote, it's all just another name for chaos.
 
Regardless, unless administrators are empowered to effect the vote, it's all just another name for chaos.

No, voters tell the administrators what to do. That's what Marx proposed, Plato too, to a certain extent.
 
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