Workarounds

[KeithD]

Have I tried to write GM? Yeah, I give it a go every once in a while.

 

[dasgoodshit]

My workaround gives me some wiggle room, but I know I’m being a coward really.

That's not cowardly. It's still gay for the guy that doesn't know that the FMC is inhabiting the MC's body... Wait... Does he? If he does know, then it's in a gray area kind of like when your are conflicted between which of two genres to post in. If he doesn't know, it's totally gay.

 

[Djmac1031]

That's not cowardly. It's still gay for the guy that doesn't know that the FMC is inhabiting the MC's body... Wait... Does he? If he does know, then it's in a gray area kind of like when your are conflicted between which of two genres to post in. If he doesn't know, it's totally gay.

In the end, it's just SEX.

The label we'd slap on it would depend on the perspective of the character.

For the gay male French chef, he'll be having sex with another man. So for him, "gay" sex.

The other man will also, technically, be having "gay" sex. Except not really, because his consciousness will be taken over by the female she-demon character, if I am understanding @EmilyMiller correctly.

And the she-demon, from what I remember of her previous story with the same character, is bisexual.

So she'll be having Bi sex. Except using another body, a male one, to do it.

I can't wait to read this story, actually.

 

[Rob_Royale]

Yes, I did. In my non-con rape fantasy, I figured out a way for the MMC to make his wife's fantasy come true without bringing other men into it. It wasn't to avoid the trolls, but so that I enjoyed writing the story.

 

[Gamblnluck]

I love this. Getting out of your wheelhouse is hard. I once asked a series of women simply what getting or slapped really hard in the pussy would be like. I wanted to know if it would felt all the way into the guts or be superficial sting across the labia and clit. I did see a woman get slapped with a leather paddle/strap across the crotch and her reaction which was 'interesting'. LOL
I tend to be more limited in m story telling. I can imagine being screwed anally as a male or the humiliation of having to submit. But not the emotional reaction like Emily is looking at. I don't write in several genres because of that.

 

[Djmac1031]

I've been hesitant to tackle gay male sex as well, although I often wonder why.

From a technical aspect, I get how it works, obviously. And while anal isn't exactly in my wheelhouse, I'd think a blowjob would feel the same regardless of the gender of the mouth involved.

Although I do wonder if there's a different approach in technique.

On the emotional end, feelings of love, lust and excitement would be the same as writing male/female.

I think my biggest concern is the fact that I don't know how a gay man THINKS in terms of sex.

I'd be guessing what turns him on, what thoughts he might think during, what emotions etc.

But of course I'm doing that when I write women characters so again, not much difference.

Another concern is that writing the sex scenes might fall flat because, unlike writing male / female, I'd be far more detached and not FEELING it the same way.

I'd be doing it simply to try to reach an audience that I don't feel qualified to write for.

So I think I'll let those who truly enjoy that particular type of story do it, probably far better than I.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I have a really hard time writing from the male perspective. When I read smut written by guys, there's an aggressive edge to how they approach sex with women. Their female partners are depicted as a collection of yummy body parts to be enjoyed.

I think I do an okay job with raw sensations--writing about how it feels to penetrate a woman. Penis in vagina I can imagine.

But I really drop the ball when I try to get into "guy headspace"

 

[Altissimus]

I just had the most bizarre thought about what it would be like to go down a water slide with a butt plug...

Make sure you report back on the experience.

 

[Winter_Fare]

But I really drop the ball when I try to get into "guy headspace"

Same. But I've been told we're all people and it shouldn't be hard. Still struggle.

 

[Winter_Fare]

Make sure you report back on the experience.

I mean not all waterslides are this evil, but after reading this I wouldn't chance it with a butt plug. You might end up with it stuck between your tonsils...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ne...ws-story/865a5b449237fba4d8ea6c89588bca14?amp

 

[Altissimus]

Same. But I've been told we're all people and it shouldn't be hard. Still struggle.

And I think I write girls pretty well. Problem is, a tough thing to get an objective opinion on.

 

[Altissimus]

I mean not all waterslides are this evil, but after reading this I wouldn't chance it with a butt plug. You might end up with it stuck between your tonsils...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/woman-has-insides-ripped-apart-by-water-slide/news-story/865a5b449237fba4d8ea6c89588bca14?amp

An Australian newspaper quoting an article by The Sun newspaper, a dishrag paper if ever there was one. Now that's some quality journalism right there. I'm surprised they managed to publish it without copy-pasting some tweets.

 

[Djmac1031]

Make sure you report back on the experience.

If I don't wind up arrested, absolutely.

 

[Bamagan]

But I really drop the ball when I try to get into "guy headspace"

Try dropping it twice, one ball is only half the experience

 

[ElectricBlue]

I have a really hard time writing from the male perspective. When I read smut written by guys, there's an aggressive edge to how they approach sex with women. Their female partners are depicted as a collection of yummy body parts to be enjoyed.

You need to read different stories. I've had several comments expressing surprise that I'm a man, after reading some of my stories.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I've been hesitant to tackle gay male sex as well, although I often wonder why.

I solved that problem in my Mickey Spillane tribute story (from the first collection) by having the private eye, who was bi, getting it on with a young man he meets at a Hollywood sex party in the 1940s. I wrote the young man as me in my early twenties. A bit narcissistic, but there you are.

In my Arthurian myth retell, the chapter where Maerlyn watches the young prince Lancilet getting fucked by a swarthy stable-hand gets an up-kick in views, compared to the chapters before and after. I figure that's folk reading it twice. I blame my beta reader and the real men of Lit - you just know they're a sucker for some surreptitious cock .

 

[Rob_Royale]

But I really drop the ball when I try to get into "guy headspace"

Imagine a room, with three chalkboards in it. Yeah, chalk. I'm old.
In front of one chalkboard is a 14-year-old boy, who is drawing smutty cartoons on the board and laughing uproariously.
Another chalkboard has a detailed schematic of a car drawn on it. The man in front of it is trying to figure out what is making the noise under the hood of his car when he makes a left turn.
The man in front of the last chalkboard isn't doing anything except wondering what's for lunch.

That's it! Not much going on in there.

 

[EmilyMiller]

I have a really hard time writing from the male perspective. When I read smut written by guys, there's an aggressive edge to how they approach sex with women. Their female partners are depicted as a collection of yummy body parts to be enjoyed.

I think I do an okay job with raw sensations--writing about how it feels to penetrate a woman. Penis in vagina I can imagine.

But I really drop the ball when I try to get into "guy headspace"

There are guys and there are guys.

I’ve been criticized for my male narrators being “weak”, “not just taking what they want”, and basically being “chicks with dicks”. In particular that they cry too much.

I get that criticism from one male demographic. Other guys tell me that my MMCs are more true to life than normal porn stereotypes.

I wouldn’t want to be in a relationship with a guy who thought of me as “a collection of yummy body parts to be enjoyed.” Or, to be clear, who thought of me as only that.

Em

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UPDATE: Women can be aggressive lovers. Men can be gentle, giving lovers. The same person can act differently at different times, or with different partners. We are not just stereotypes.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

You need to read different stories. I've had several comments expressing surprise that I'm a man, after reading some of my stories.

Tilan (yeah, I know) commented that I write like a woman - that my writing style is effeminate. He meant it as a jab/teasing, yet I took it as a compliment

 

[Booleanean]

Tilan (yeah, I know) commented that I write like a woman - that my writing style is effeminate. He meant it as a jab/teasing, yet I took it as a compliment

 

[Kumquatqueen]

You need to read different stories. I've had several comments expressing surprise that I'm a man, after reading some of my stories.

Conversely, I've had comments and emails from readers assuming I'm a man, especially after reading GM stories.

It occurs to me I've not actually written a het sex scene from the man's direct perspective, only a close third person. Should try that sometime. 'Jake' would probably happily recount femdom stories...

 

[EmilyMiller]

So, in my current work-in-progress, I’d intentionally set myself the task of writing gay male sex. Why? Clearly because I’m a masochist an author who wants to push boundaries. It’s only one chapter out of ten, but anyway. And it’s a crucial plot element and if I don’t do it, I’ll have to restructure other bits. So - you can do it Emily - be brave.

Then I get to Chapter 7 and I’m a rabbit in headlights. I know the mechanics might be the same, or similar, but the emotion, the mental state. I’m a bit lost.

So I stall. I write other stuff.

Then, I make a joking comment to a friend about one of the two FMCs possessing a supporting MC. And I’m off. It’s fun again. It’s a supernatural tale BTW.

I’m now happily, fluently writing again . Totally happy with the concept of a woman inhabiting a male body to seduce a gay guy, for reasons.

It feels like a cop out, but I’m so much happier.

Have you done anything comparable?

Em

As an update - I copped out even further I had my co-FMC very clumsily attempt to seduce the guy while she was inhabiting a male body. But fail miserably. The only sex was the guy she swapped bodies with and the other co-FMC. So quasi-lesbian. I can write that!

It worked better in the story - honest .

Em