Women don't have fetishes

[Eluard]

Here I am trying to be dry and pouty, and you had to go and make me chuckle.

Dammit! And I thought our little fight might make you wet and pouty!

 

[Stella_Omega]

The modern popular sense now seems to be a fusion of these two. Since I find Marxism as empty as psychoanalysis I am more than happy to step off of both trains.

Well said!
I like you, you're silly

 

[Eluard]

Well said!
I like you, you're silly

Oh come on admit it — you are wet and pouty as well.

 

[CeriseNoire]

Dammit! And I thought our little fight might make you wet and pouty!

Of course I was implying dry wit(<--I know how you like bold ), but this is Lit--I should have expected it.

 

[snake0067]

Noire your PM box is full.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Oh come on admit it — you are wet and pouty as well.

What's to admit? That would be more like boasting, or something...

 

[Lisa Denton]

Women can have fetishes just as much as men and its only when you start in with psycobabble and definitions that it gets confusing.

I will splain it to you.

Now, women don't have a shoe fetish. That is a mis-conception that men make about women. Women have a "shoes on sale" fetish. It don't matter how much the shoes are or if they are butt ugly, if she can get them for 50 cents less than they cost somewheres else, she gets wet, buys them and takes them home. Now, once home she has to try them on without anything distracting like clothes, so that she can see the shoes only look. Standing in front of a full length mirror, wearing only the shoes, with the sensual hot smell of new shoe leather permeating the sultry room, she slowly caresses the shapely shoes, her breasts, thighs, and points beyond. When she remembers how she pushed that other bitch out of the way and grabbed her prize at 25% off, she explodes into shoes on sale multiple orgasms.

So its not the shoes, its the price. So if you go into definitions it might not even be a fetish but more like financial responsibility.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b11/LisaDenton/Untitled-c1.jpg

There are many other things women like that even men can understand, fetish? If you want to psychoanalize it you miss the point, and the orgasm, as you lose your train of thought (where the fuck was I?) oh, yea, I like tennis players underwear. Is it a fetish? I don't care. Lately I was looking at some pictures and realized my fetish (?) if it is one, also includes a lack of tennis players underwear, so I was playin with my photo thingie.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b11/LisaDenton/Untitled-4.jpg

Now, all of this could mean that I am crazy as a loon, in psychological terminology, or maybe I just have too much time on my hands and was bored, depending on your definitions.

But the fun with a fetish is just to go with it (as long as its legal) and have fun, not figure it out.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b11/LisaDenton/Untitled-2qqw.jpg

 

[matriarch]

At least in psychoanalytic terms. Men do. Men are uniquely perverse.

I know we have broached this topic before, yet as much as women claim to have fetishes, in essence they really don't in psychoanalytic terms.

Any opinions one way or another?

This sounds a fun read..............

 

[unpredictablebijou]

People, I said this in the last thread on the sbject, and i say it again: Step off the Marx train.

Fetish is not sexual. A fetish is any inanimate object believed to have powers beyond its physical form. Either through symbolism (like money) or magic (like totems, crucifixes et al), Marx's use of the word is not sexual and to derive sexuality conclusions from it due to a shared word is fallacious.

Fetish paraphenilia is sexual. That's Freud and the lads. And the word is here used as a metaphor. They use the word as a methaphor for the effect a fetish has on the fetishist. A fetishist doesn't have to believe the object in question is any more than the object itself. It still turns him on.

Thank you. I wasn't going to bother to go there, being new here and all, but yes, there is an alternative and more correct definition of the word "fetish" that has to do with any sacred object considered to hold Power, particularly the power or persona of a deity, ancestor or other mystical being.

It could be said, just to be peaceable, that there are at least two definitions of the word "fetish". That wouldn't be the first time that had happened in this language. Connotation, denotation... That's why I had to wonder with the very first post whether this was going to turn into basically a semantic debate, which, surprise, it basically has.

But Chomsky would say, if we're all talking about it like we understand each other, it must be a shared meaning and therefore appropriate.

Fuck Chomsky.

bijou

 

[Liar]

The "alternative" non-sexual definition came first. it's prectically ancient. This was the one that Marx was referring to with his fetish of commodity. Social constructs that we give more value than they really have. The "nuclear family" would be a typical fetish in Marx's eyes.

Fetish became a sexual term because there was no othwer good word around, and somebody (Freud?) thought "Hey, this phenomena has some similarities to religious peoples' obsession with fetishes".

But Chomsky would say, if we're all talking about it like we understand each other, it must be a shared meaning and therefore appropriate.

Fuck Chomsky.

only if we actually do share the same meaning and not just believe that we do.

So yeah. Fuck Chomsky.

 

[NoJo]

What's to admit? That would be more like boasting, or something...

I'd love to go boasting on the lake with you. You can sit in the bow and pout. Or we can go pouting on the Cam, and you can stand.

 

[Eluard]

Women can have fetishes just as much as men and its only when you start in with psycobabble and definitions that it gets confusing.

I will splain it to you.

Now, women don't have a shoe fetish. That is a mis-conception that men make about women. Women have a "shoes on sale" fetish. It don't matter how much the shoes are or if they are butt ugly, if she can get them for 50 cents less than they cost somewheres else, she gets wet, buys them and takes them home. Now, once home she has to try them on without anything distracting like clothes, so that she can see the shoes only look. Standing in front of a full length mirror, wearing only the shoes, with the sensual hot smell of new shoe leather permeating the sultry room, she slowly caresses the shapely shoes, her breasts, thighs, and points beyond. When she remembers how she pushed that other bitch out of the way and grabbed her prize at 25% off, she explodes into shoes on sale multiple orgasms.

So its not the shoes, its the price. So if you go into definitions it might not even be a fetish but more like financial responsibility.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b11/LisaDenton/Untitled-c1.jpg

Ah thank you Lisa, that will put to rest that damned women-shoe-fetish nonsense, very nicely! Imelda Marcos, you are excused on the grounds of fiscal responsibility above and beyond the call of duty.

I'll go and pass this correction around to the rest of the guys in the sweat-lodge. Boy, are they going to relieved!

 

[Stella_Omega]

I'd love to go boasting on the lake with you. You can sit in the bow and pout. Or we can go pouting on the Cam, and you can stand.

You can lounge in your negligible and cast glances my way. We'll bring a picnic lurch and eat it on the island.

 

[CharleyH]

Did Marx ever masturbate with a shoe, I wonder?

Aside from snickering and laughing at some responses by SJ and SubSarahh .... ROFLOL. I dunno, this just struck a funny bone with me, Stell.

 

[CharleyH]

That's an extreme exaggeration.

Oh Box, Box, Box ... Pure is hardly exaggerating.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
That's an extreme exaggeration.

Oh Box, Box, Box ... Pure is hardly exaggerating.

He is exaggerating, and please don't quote a short post out of context.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Aside from snickering and laughing at some responses by SJ and SubSarahh .... ROFLOL. I dunno, this just struck a funny bone with me, Stell.

Marx in any sexual context is laughable

 

[Liar]

Marx in any sexual context is laughable

Marx getting it good from Mother Russia with a Sojuz strap-on. Check.
Marx and Engels man-love in a Bayern hot tub. Check.
Marx and Rand trying to out-top each other. Check.

Yeah, you're right.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Marx getting it good from Mother Russia with a Sojuz strap-on. Check.
Marx and Engels man-love in a Bayern hot tub. Check.
Marx and Rand trying to out-top each other. Check.

Yeah, you're right.

But Rand always defers to The Male-- no battle of wills there...

 

[Guest]

Marx getting it good from Mother Russia with a Sojuz strap-on. Check.
Marx and Engels man-love in a Bayern hot tub. Check.
Marx and Rand trying to out-top each other. Check.

Yeah, you're right.

Ewww. Not laughing.

I'm - well, horrified.

 

[Liar]

But Rand always defers to The Male-- no battle of wills there...

Fastest battle ever.

"On your knees, woman."

"Ok."

The end.

 

[CharleyH]

I am impressed that this thread actually lasted longer than I imagined. I posted it as more of a response to something someone said, yet I'm happy that it has stuck around. Obviously from some previous responses I made, I'm doing a little research on the topic. Female fetish is not my thesis, but I had hoped to approach my fetish subject from a uniquely female POV. (Yes, Sweetsub, I am a uniquely female pervert just like you! )

In the classical model of psychoanalysis (Freud/Lacan) it is "unimaginable that women would get gratification from the use of inanimate objects or mere partial objects, alone" as I posted earlier, because in that model most women just don't go through that whole fear of castration phase leading to traditional/ clinical thoughts on fetishism ... how can she?

To partially answer you, Stella ...
Grosz posits that it must first be shown that female fetishism is possible before discussing female 'fetishes' and in a classical psychoanalytic model it is only possible (she suggests) through lesbianism. (PM if you want more on this specific concept).

Certainly, and I agree with many who have posted ... women covet, but don't necessarily fetishize and it would be a shame to think that female fetish is nothing more than that of a reflection of male fetish. From my own personal interest, I would love to know what women think and whether or not they fetishize or even believe that women are capable of fetish. In my own experience, I covet, but fetish? I love my vibe, but I don't need it to get off. (also, I don't believe all men have fetishes and that similar to women, some men covet as well, so please take liberty in commenting).

Still, according to Brame, Brame and Jacobs (Book: Different Loving, 1993) "women are likely to be less or even unaware of the connection between an object and their personal arousal, not only because sexual excitement isn't as readily visible but also because women are discouraged from acting on their sexual impulses, and therefore are more likely to hide their desires even from themselves."

The authors also add that women sanction other outlets for their fetishistic urges and use examples like collecting dolls or shoes, as some here have mentioned. Yet, as I have read on this thread, collecting is not fetishizing (hence my word, covet).

Again, opinions?

Also, thank you all for your insight. So far, it's been a pleasure reading all your thoughts and opinions.

 

[CharleyH]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
That's an extreme exaggeration.




He is exaggerating, and please don't quote a short post out of context.

Had I posted to your whole post, you'd look rather foolish. And no, I am not going to bother tracking back - let's just move forward, shall we, Box.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I just PM'd you. I find Grosz's concept interesting, and I think I can see why she's come up with it-- There's a general perception that hetero women are passive waiters-upon-the attentions-of men, and do not actively "hunt' or objectify men. And a corresponding perception, perhaps, that lesbians will objectify women in the same way that men do?

I like your word "Covet" very much Much more precise for this subject.

 

[NoJo]

Marx in any sexual context is laughable

Yes, Harpo does it to me too.