Will terrorists get more support/help than we think?

Cheyenne

Ms. Smarty Pantsless
Joined
Apr 18, 2000
Posts
59,553
MIDEAST DISPATCH

Whooping It Up
In Beirut, even Christians celebrated the atrocity.

BY ELISABETTA BURBA
Saturday, September 22, 2001 12:01 a.m. EDT

BEIRUT--Where were you on Sept. 11, when terrorists changed the world? I was at the National Museum here, enjoying the wonders of the ancient Phoenicians with my husband. This tour of past splendor only magnified the shock I received later when I heard the news and saw the reactions all around me.
Walking downtown, I realized that the offspring of this great civilization were celebrating a terrorist outrage. And I am not talking about destitute people. Those who were cheering belonged to the elite of the Paris of Middle East: professionals wearing double-breasted suits, charming blond ladies, pretty teenagers in tailored jeans.

Trying to find our bearings, my husband and I went into an American-style cafe in the Hamra district, near Rue Verdun, rated as one of the most expensive shopping streets in the world. Here the cognitive dissonance was immediate, and direct. The cafƩ's sophisticated clientele was celebrating, laughing, cheering and making jokes, as waiters served hamburgers and Diet
Pepsi. Nobody looked shocked, or moved. They were excited, very excited.

An hour later, at a little market near the U.S. Embassy, on the outskirts of Beirut, a thrilled shop assistant showed us, using his hands, how the plane had crashed into the twin towers. He, too, was laughing.





Once back at the house where we were staying, we started scanning the international channels. Soon came reports of Palestinians celebrating. The BBC reporter in Jerusalem said it was only a tiny minority. Astonished, we asked some moderate Arabs if that was the case. "Nonsense," said one, speaking for many. "Ninety percent of the Arab world believes that Americans
got what they deserved."
An exaggeration? Rather an understatement. A couple of days later, we headed north to Tripoli, near the Syrian border. On the way, we read that Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, who donated blood in front of the cameras, was rejecting any suggestion that his people were rejoicing over the terrorist attack. "It was less than 10 children in Jerusalem," he said.

In the bustling souk of Tripoli we started looking for the Great Mosque, a 1294 building with a distinctive Lombard-style tower. But in that labyrinth, nobody spoke anything but Arabic, which we don't speak. Finally, in a dark shop, we found an old gentleman who knew French. His round white cap showed that he was a devout Muslim. Leaning on his stick, he managed to get on the
street and with most exquisite manners gave us directions. Common decency survives all.

Once at the mosque I donned a black chador, but our Lonely Planet guide attracted the attention of a hard-looking bearded guy all the same. "Are you Americans?" he asked in a menacing tone. Our quick denial made him relax. He gave us the green light to go in. But very soon afterward we were again approached, by a fat young man. He turned out to be one of the 350,000
Palestinians who live in Lebanon, unwelcome by most of the population and subject to severe hardships. Hearing we were Italians, first he recited like a prayer names of Italian soccer players. We were relieved at first that he wanted to talk about sports, but he soon moved on to politics and the "events."

"My people have been crushed under the heel of American imperialism, which took away our land, massacred our beloved and denied our right to life. But have you seen what happened in New York City? God Almighty has drawn his sword against our enemies. God is great--Allah u Akbar," he said.




I heard these appeals to religion so often that I needed some theological help. "How can God do evil?" I later asked an Arab friend, a businessman with an international background. "According to what I learnt in my catechism, God lets evil happen. He doesn't do it," I said, and he answered:
"The Koran has the same teaching, but blood calls for blood."
What about compassion? I asked, pointing out that Jesus had turned the other cheek. Isn't Allah also always called the Merciful? "He is, but when a people has been begging for a piece of land for 52 years and it has experienced only bloodshed, what can you expect?" But the victims of the World Trade Center were civilians, I insisted. "In the new intifada, 500 Palestinians have been killed. America didn't give a damn, so why should
Muslims care now about those who died in the twin towers? It's hard, but that's the way they see it."

I couldn't help it. I kept remembering how a day earlier, in Germany, Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder had talked about clash of civilizations.





On Thursday night, in the Christian northern part of Beirut, we heard some loud noises. "Probably they are celebrating the attacks," someone told us when we asked. You mean the Maronite Christians are also celebrating? I asked.

"Yes, they also feel betrayed by the Americans."

On Friday, the national day of remembrance for the victims in Europe and the U.S., I was relieved to see that the Christian church in the Sahet Aukar district was packed with people holding a candlelight vigil. Less comforting was the thick barrier of soldiers and checkpoints that protected the church.





Heliopolis, in the Bekaa Valley, was the Sun City of the ancients. Nowadays it is called Baalbek. Near its lavish temples stands the stronghold of the Hezbollah, the Iranian-backed Shiite Party of God. Along the clean alleys that lead to the Hezbolla's stronghold there are hand-made posters of bearded young men. "They are martyrs," explained a well-dressed, cultivated Arab man who had just gotten out of his Mercedes. "They fought until victory: the withdrawal of Israeli occupants. So they became a model for the
all Arab world." Weren't they terrorists? we asked. "Terrorists? What about the Israelis who kill women and babies?"





In the seven days we spent in Lebanon, we saw one young Arab woman with teary eyes. "The stories of the victims touched me," she said, and I began to regain my trust in humanity. Then she added: "But in a way I am also glad, because for once the Americans are experiencing what we in the Middle East go through every single day." Back in Italy, I received a phone call from my friend Gilberto Bazoli, a journalist in Cremona. He told me he witnessed the same reactions among Muslims in the local mosque of that small Lombard city. "They were all on Osama bin Laden's side," he said. "One of them told me that they were not
even worthy to kiss his toes."



Ms. Burba is an Italian journalist.

*************************************************

Does Osama bin Laden have more support than Americans have been lead to believe?
 
i think 99% of arab people because they are human beings would be totally against what happened


but america has done some mistakes in the arab world and some of the criticism you get from the arab world is 100% justified ... i think though the arab world has been just as outraged by what happened and that has drawn them temporally to americans side ... if america wanted to improve relations with the arab world now would be the perfect time to do it
 
Two sides

Thank you for this article Cheyenne.

I do believe that the U.S has been a bit naive in regards to it's policies in the middle east. After WWII and all through the cold war we let the fear of communism and our need for cheap oil dictate our actions in that region. We supported regimes that brutalized their own people simply because they were anti communist (Iran under the Shah) and were genuinely surprised when they overthrew him and turned on us viciously.

We have given Israel unerring support in all that they did without any admonition (until recently anyway) in their dealings with Palestine.

During Afghanistan's war against the Soviet Union we (CIA) spent over 3 billion dollars arming and training the mujahedeen(sp?) and then when they won we just left them there. Infrastructure and society demolished, no real government system in place. Naturally they started fighting amongst themselves and guess who came out on top? The type of group that always does in such a situation, the one that can focus the frustration and despair of the most people the tyrants. The Taliban. We, and people of Afghanistan, would have been better off if Afghanistan had remained communist. I don't think our actions have been intentional, just shortsighted and bumbling.

This in no way condones the actions of the Taliban or the terrorists. They deserve everything coming to them. Osama Bin Laden doesn't care what happens to the Palestinians, he only wants to service his hatred and his lust for power. He uses the problems of those people as a flimsy rationale for his self serving acts. The Taliban are just religious whackos that filled a vacuum left when the Soviets and the US withdrew. If they truly wanted to change the situation for the Palestinians and others, they would direct their efforts to a peaceful solution. perhaps taking a lesson from Martin Luther King. Civil (as in peaceful) disobedience, organizing, protesting and other such attention getting measures. If the only way you attract attention is when you set off a bomb then that is what the world will see.

For all his resources and influence Osama could have done wonders for his "cause" instead he has killed innocents and jeopardized the hope of any lasting peace in that region.

I sometimes feel the United States has almost been pushed into doing something we would rather not do(contrary to what many may think, we do not like war) by our own shortsightedness and by the one sided attention we have given to that region.

We have to do this. We could have prevented it too if we had paid attention to history and to what we were doing.

It also seems as if an invisible hand is directing things....weird...too weird.
 
Public tears, private joy

sexy-girl said:
i think 99% of arab people because they are human beings would be totally against what happened

Arabs will put on public displays of grief but behind closed doors there is satisfaction with what occurred. Most Americans have absolutely no idea how deep and ingrained the hatred of them truly is. It's terribly sad but true.
 
Cheyenne said:

Once back at the house where we were staying, we started scanning the international channels. Soon came reports of Palestinians celebrating. The BBC reporter in Jerusalem said it was only a tiny minority. Astonished, we asked some moderate Arabs if that was the case. "Nonsense," said one, speaking for many. "Ninety percent of the Arab world believes that Americans
got what they deserved."

Mensa, that's why the article grabbed my attention. It seems to suggest the opposite of what the American media has been feeding us. It is the 10% of the Arabs who support us and the 90% who hate us and are happy for the attack in America, not the other way around? If so, bin Laden is very much stronger than we think he is.
 
Maybe...

It is possible to regret and actually grieve for the loss of innocent life and the departure from civility this act demonstrates and still be angry with the US.

This is not a simple problem. Maybe their dismay is at the fact that we only have looked into these issues After all this has happened. And they know, I think, that this does not bode well for their already tarnished image in the eyes of the western world.

I do think we underestimate Osama's support there. But I think the barbarity of what he has done will serve to stave off any actual assistance to his evading his due punishment. They will probably do the Pontius Pilate thing and wash their hands of him. He has made himself a burden to their goals.
 
I'm sure there is some support for this horrible act around the world,but 99% of arabs....NOT.....

But many in the arab world do feel betrayed by the US for different reasons....

Were we shedding tons of Tears when the Christian Maronite Militia massacered a Palestinian refugee camp in Southern Lebanon?{The Isrealis knew it was going to occur and did nothing to prevent it}The Christian militia was trained and took orders from the Isrealis

We rush to defend Kuwait{which was NEVER a democracy}because of oil buisness interest....but we allow Bosnian Muslims to be victimized by Serbs in a Nazi style fashion?Why did we practice a double standard here?Tell me.

When the Shah of Iran ruled Iran...it was OUR CIA that helped to supress THEIR dissidents.

It was the USA that originally funded and trained the Afgan Muhajeen....and when the Russians said to hell with this country..so did we it seems.

We originally funded and partially armed the Iraqis,under President Bush{the elder}.

on the other hand....we have tried AT TIMES...to not have a double standard...take Somalia for example...it didn't turn out very well....but it was a good effort{also by Bush the Elder}

Is the other side innocent?..NOPE...BOTH sides and their supporters bear some direct and/or indirect responsibility for all the crud that has occured.

Are we a great nation?..OF COURSE WE ARE...but are we perfect?...NOPE.

Cheyenne...I apologize it this starts a verbal war ahead of time.


CH
 
The Palestinians

Had everything they wanted under William Jefferson Clinton's efforts and they turned it down.

I say they turned it down because they felt Algore would give them more.

They never anticipated a retreat into the Bushes by America.

They gambled. They lost.
 
Back
Top