Will George manage to start World War III...

[p_p_man]

before he returns to America or will he want to do it in stages.

Like attack the axis of evil first?

He's already scared half the world shitless over his hairbrained rhetoric, the only way forward now, to keep in the headlines, is bomb someone...

ppman

 

[christophe]

Well if he does, I will cash in my 401K and I may never hit 1000 posts here....welll shit that sucks

 

[bluespoke]

before he returns to America or will he want to do it in stages.

Like attack the axis of evil first?

He's already scared half the world shitless over his hairbrained rhetoric, the only way forward now, to keep in the headlines, is bomb someone...

ppman

I see your week away did nothing to soften your attitude!

I object to your sttement that he's scared half the world shitless.

That's a gross underestimation!

 

[WriterDom]

No, not right away. We don't have enough cruise missiles left to take on any country outside of Costa Rica, and wont have for 3 or 4 years. By then, Hillary will be president. And you know how those Clintons like to waste missiles. You'll be safe for 11 years or so.

 

[Off]

The world should be scared.
Don't fuck with us.
We're America.

 

[p_p_man]

No, not right away. We don't have enough cruise missiles left to take on any country outside of Costa Rica, and wont have for 3 or 4 years. By then, Hillary will be president. And you know how those Clintons like to waste missiles. You'll be safe for 11 years or so.

whew...

 

[p_p_man]

The world should be scared.
Don't fuck with us.
We're America.

HA! HA! HA! HA!

giggle...giggle...giggle...

ROTFLMFAO!

Oh very good. Best laugh I've had for a long time...


HA! HA! HA!....

 

[alltherage]

What is everyones definition of a World War? It seems to me that there are more nasty little wars happening in a wider area of the world than ever before.

I do sometimes wish Dubya would shut up. He is beginning to remind me of his daddy and that is making me very nervous. Lots of tough talk with less than satisfactory results does little to make the world safer.

 

[Roughneck]

America's problems are Clinton's fault

I want to weigh in on this. First off I was in the Airforce, and have been over to Europe and can say I was treated quite well by the people over there. Many of those people have not forgotten what we did over there during WWII. Now when I was in Clinton was in office, and I can say this for a fact. Many of the people I ran into over in Europe thought he was a joke of a president, and in so doing had less respect for our country. The problems we face today ie, terrorist attacks, North korea, Iraq, Iran, are direct results of Clinton's pussy actions and policys. Bush is dealing with problems that Clinton swept under the rug. I think its about time we have a president that calls as he sees it, and screws the Political correctness of the world. If war came about I will be one of the first to enlist again. We should look bacl at history to see what happened the last time countrys looked the other way when evil was done. The last time it was a race of people was almost wiped out, not to mention millions of others killed.

 

[Guest]

Re: America's problems are Clinton's fault

I want to weigh in on this. First off I was in the Airforce, and have been over to Europe and can say I was treated quite well by the people over there. Many of those people have not forgotten what we did over there during WWII. Now when I was in Clinton was in office, and I can say this for a fact. Many of the people I ran into over in Europe thought he was a joke of a president, and in so doing had less respect for our country. The problems we face today ie, terrorist attacks, North korea, Iraq, Iran, are direct results of Clinton's pussy actions and policys. Bush is dealing with problems that Clinton swept under the rug. I think its about time we have a president that calls as he sees it, and screws the Political correctness of the world. If war came about I will be one of the first to enlist again. We should look bacl at history to see what happened the last time countrys looked the other way when evil was done. The last time it was a race of people was almost wiped out, not to mention millions of others killed.

Amen to that!!

 

[MorgaineLaFay]

*chuckling*

Oh Damn...I am whacked out on Nyquil ..I thought this was the George Clooney Thread....




Morgy

 

[Hans101]

There isn't anyone in the world stupid and crazy enough to go against us.

Loony terrorists may bomb buildings, but they don't represent a viable threat to the country as a whole.

As far as other nations that could be a legitimate threat to us, Russia has nothing to gain from it, and China knows better. There really isn't anyone else out there worth a plug nickel.

So when Ole George starts calling a spade a spade, don't freak out. He's doing it because he can and because for the most part what he has said is true, particularly where Iraq and N. Korea are concerned. Iran is basically screwed up due to religion, but that doesn't make it an evil nation.

Hans

 

[mig]

Alternatively.

He could slip TB a few grand to start it for him.

 

[Orlanth]

Re: America's problems are Clinton's fault

I want to weigh in on this. First off I was in the Airforce, and have been over to Europe and can say I was treated quite well by the people over there. Many of those people have not forgotten what we did over there during WWII. Now when I was in Clinton was in office, and I can say this for a fact. Many of the people I ran into over in Europe thought he was a joke of a president, and in so doing had less respect for our country. The problems we face today ie, terrorist attacks, North korea, Iraq, Iran, are direct results of Clinton's pussy actions and policys. Bush is dealing with problems that Clinton swept under the rug. I think its about time we have a president that calls as he sees it, and screws the Political correctness of the world. If war came about I will be one of the first to enlist again. We should look bacl at history to see what happened the last time countrys looked the other way when evil was done. The last time it was a race of people was almost wiped out, not to mention millions of others killed.

True, when Clinton was in office I didn't respect America. But G.W Bush is going over board, and that makes me lose respect again.

 

[p_p_man]

So when Ole George starts calling a spade a spade, don't freak out.

You're right. If George descends too far into madness, Europe will have him removed...

 

[Orlanth]

There isn't anyone in the world stupid and crazy enough to go against us.

Loony terrorists may bomb buildings, but they don't represent a viable threat to the country as a whole.

As far as other nations that could be a legitimate threat to us, Russia has nothing to gain from it, and China knows better. There really isn't anyone else out there worth a plug nickel.

So when Ole George starts calling a spade a spade, don't freak out. He's doing it because he can and because for the most part what he has said is true, particularly where Iraq and N. Korea are concerned. Iran is basically screwed up due to religion, but that doesn't make it an evil nation.

Hans

True, no one nation or country is strong enough to stand up to the USA, and win. But what you not looking at is there could be two or more countries are nations becoming allies and taking on the USA...

How long do you think other countries will put up with the USA, with their attitude of 'the best'?

USA may be the most powerful nation to date, but don't underestimate the lesser countries, it will be USA's downfall

 

[Hans101]

Who are these two nations whose combined military and/or economic power would be any threat to us? Even if Russia and China were to team up they'd lose. Lets not forget that aside from our military might, the United states is the worlds largest economy and drives the world economy. Therefore no nation that could be a worthy adversary would dare to attack us. There would have to be a true nutcase like Hitler or Stalin running the show over there before that would happen. To attack the united states is to cut of your nose to spite your face. Not only will we bomb you into the stone age, but your economy will collapse because not only will we not be doing business with you. but no one else will either.

Hans

 

[Jimi]

Right reasons WRONG rhetoric

Dubbya is a cypher, IMHO. Gen. Powell is there to talk some sense into him from time to time, when Cheney gets him "riled up".

The rhetoric is absolutely absurd to many of us who are in Allied nations. Evil Empire = Axis of Evil. Basically true, but makes Dubbya, like Ronnie Ray-Gun, look a little buffoonish to many good friends of the USA.

HOWEVER

What matters is that the US does have the resolve to act against terrorists and "rogue" states.

I agree with that resolve. I don't particularly like the tactics - but war is an evil business, at the best of times.

My only concern is that the US may be entering an historic phase wherein Lord Acton's dictum applies. Being only 100 Km. from the border....

Sad-Ass & Mr. Hairdoo need to be taken out - but I'm not sure that it is the Americans' job without outside input.

Let the Nukes fly! Jimi ducks...

 

[SINthysist]

WW III

Is bigger than any one person. You have a religion that has declared and declare, at every opportunity, lest you forget, that you are Satan, the Great and that they are engaged in Holy Jihad with you and all of your allies (oh, and by the way, the are willing to demonstrate this state of war via physical means also).

China, the most xenophobic country in the world is flexing it's muscle and stating, loudly, for anyone who wishes to hear, that it is determined to have a "much larger say in world affairs" (a euphanism, p_p_, the Chinese use a lot of them, and they all mean something very specific).

The Russians are pissed that we're in thier sphere of influence and are alarmed that we continue to stay there and set up new bases.

Oh yeah, not to mention that Pakistan and India may duke it out... The opportunistic North Koreans...

And then there's always the Mideast and it's cast of stable characters!





When will you wake up? When they float a barge up the Thames and detonate a nuke?

 

[bored1]

Europe is irrelivent to American interests,It was all said years ago.The mederterainian was the sea of the past,the atlantic, the ocean of the present and the pacific the ocean of the future This change has been evolving for years and will continue to do so.America really doesnt have friends only interests. lazy socialist eurotrash couldnt take care of the shit going on in the balkens several years ago, It took the americans to straighten out another european problem. Finally an American president that doesnt care what the eurotrash thinks! Go George

 

[p_p_man]

Europe is irrelivent to American interests,It was all said years ago.The mederterainian was the sea of the past,the atlantic, the ocean of the present and the pacific the ocean of the future This change has been evolving for years and will continue to do so.America really doesnt have friends only interests. lazy socialist eurotrash couldnt take care of the shit going on in the balkens several years ago, It took the americans to straighten out another european problem. Finally an American president that doesnt care what the eurotrash thinks! Go George

The whole world seems to be irrelevent to American interests at the moment.

I've noticed many times on this Board that a lot of posts refer back to WWII. Not many refer back to Korea or Vietnam. I suppose in years to come people will be referring back to Afghanistan and Desert Storm as memories of the true situation fade and there is a general reflection on America's glory days.

The problem some posters have is in coming to terms with the fact that the world has moved on since the 1950s and 60s. Europe is no longer the bombed out area it once was. Bankrupt, and grateful for the help America gave it, even if it did mean succumbing to "Coca Colonisation". We had no choice.

It doesn't mean that we were ungrateful, although the Governments of the independent countries in Europe at the time, had a hard job convincing the general populace that the influx of American consumer goods and the building up of our industry was to our advantage. It just means that we as "beggars" couldn't be "choosers".

Now, however, Europe is forging into one nation. Most members states have a unified currency and the economic strength of America, which I notice Hans101 mentioned, is now close to being overtaken by the European Union. If it hasn't already (I haven't checked the figures recently).

Soon the former satellites of the Soviet Union will become members and the end result will be a giant European monolith, stretching from the Atlantic in the West to the borders of Russia in the East. Not a situation everyone over here is happy with as we seem to be going to fast too soon. But that is the current state of affairs.

And as far as military might is concerned, the European Rapid Defence Force will eventually take over from NATO as the defence system this side of the Atlantic.

Bush, by using rhetoric more reminiscent of 40 - 50 years ago, is not only making himself look a clown in the eyes of other nations, but is stirring up war talk which can have very dangerous consequences for America herself.

OK the coalition in the "war" against terrorism has held together so far, but only just, and support for Bush and his personal agenda, which anyone with half an eye can see is the real reason behind the present terrorist "threat", is fast falling away.

Not by people like Blair, but by the voters who vote Blair in, and many of his own backbenchers.

The same is true throughout the European Union.

So bored1, I'm taking your little post which I've copied to mine, not as an insult to anyone who disagrees with America and her policies, but as a declaration of patriotism as you see it.

The best policy Bush can have at the moment is to shut up.

That, and stop treating allies of the USA as if they were satellites...

ppman

 

[bored1]

The rapid deployment force is all on paper,A united Europe is a dream,Say what you want about a super continent it will eventually fail as will the worthless EURO. I wasnt refering ww2 but to the mess in The former Yugoslavia that no one in EUROPE wanted to deal with.It was the Americans who led the charge on that nasty little incident in your backyard ,What was is called?Ethnic Cleansing? Wasnt that tried over there back in the 30s and 40s?As an American I could give a shit about your gratitude,For years the American taxpayer paid for the defense of the continent enabling Euro governments to shirk there responsibility for their own defense and spend their money on worthless socialist programs that are failures.Europe has Hyperpower envy. And as was said earlier have zero influence on American policy.Perhaps it will take a nuke up the Thames for people to realize the obvious.---------------------------------------------------

 

[p_p_man]

The rapid deployment force is all on paper,A united Europe is a dream,Say what you want about a super continent it will eventually fail as will the worthless EURO. I wasnt refering ww2 but to the mess in The former Yugoslavia that no one in EUROPE wanted to deal with.It was the Americans who led the charge on that nasty little incident in your backyard ,What was is called?Ethnic Cleansing? Wasnt that tried over there back in the 30s and 40s?As an American I could give a shit about your gratitude,For years the American taxpayer paid for the defense of the continent enabling Euro governments to shirk there responsibility for their own defense and spend their money on worthless socialist programs that are failures.Europe has Hyperpower envy. And as was said earlier have zero influence on American policy.Perhaps it will take a nuke up the Thames for people to realize the obvious.---------------------------------------------------

I've changed my mind.

You're not patriotic, just a product of your age.

Thankfully I reckon you and your kind are in the minority.


Otherwise I fear for America's future...

ppman

 

[WriterDom]

Now, however, Europe is forging into one nation. Most members states have a unified currency and the economic strength of America, which I notice Hans101 mentioned, is now close to being overtaken by the European Union. If it hasn't already (I haven't checked the figures recently).

Soon the former satellites of the Soviet Union will become members and the end result will be a giant European monolith, stretching from the Atlantic in the West to the borders of Russia in the East. Not a situation everyone over here is happy with as we seem to be going to fast too soon. But that is the current state of affairs.

And as far as military might is concerned, the European Rapid Defence Force will eventually take over from NATO as the defence system this side of the Atlantic.

Europe can't take of herself. Much less, project a military force outside of her borders. I wish she would increase spending on the European Rapidly Deteriorating Force and leave the U.S. more money for domestic issues. Or return it to the evil rich taxpayers.

Also, a single currency does not make Europe a country. I doubt that your grandchildren will ever see that come to pass. So why don't you put this CountryPenis envy to rest for a while.



Europe risks falling more behind U.S. on defense tech

By Kristin Roberts


WASHINGTON, D.C., Feb 20 (Reuters) - The U.S. military response to the Sept. 11 attacks has made the technological gap between U.S. and European forces ever more apparent, according to military and industrial leaders meeting on Wednesday.

What's more, that gap will likely widen as European nations maintain low levels of defense spending in contrast to the boost in warfare funds requested by the Pentagon, they said.

"There exists a huge gap between Europe and the U.S.," said Jean-Loup Picard, senior vice president for strategy and development at Thales SA <TCFP.PA>, Europe's biggest maker of military electronics.

"Worse, it's increasing," he told a defense conference held by the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics. "Worse again, in research and technology, Europe's spending is one-sixth of the U.S."

The technological differences stem from the lower level of spending in Europe, European nations' budget deficits and governments' stronger focus on education and health-related programs for funds, analysts and industry officials said Wednesday.

"You have cash, you can go out and spend," said Sash Tusa, European aerospace and defense analyst for Goldman Sachs, referring to the U.S. defense community. "In Europe, the majority of governments are in deficit, and in deep, deep trouble. They do not have the ability to spend extra on defense."

 

[SINthysist]

Yes

I forgot to list the new strong Europe among the belligerent’s