Will Flynn's plea be tossed Monday by federal Judge Sullivan, and he set free?

[Que]

No, what most likely happened was the judge was reading the same kind of nonsensical "news" reports that you read where they were conflating the earlier lobbying efforts that he was doing on behalf of a foreign government and conflating that with his later service for the Trump Administration when the two events were completely independent, unrelated and not occurring at the same time.

Which is what the judge admitted had happened when he walked back what it is that he said.

You could just as easily assume without any evidence that the redacted portions said that he actually committed armed robbery but nothing in anyone statements supports that.

 

[KeithD]

I would agree that the judge probably was looking at what is happening in the world and with Flynn with far more analytical capability and reality base than you do.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

No, what most likely happened was the judge was reading the same kind of nonsensical "news" reports that you read where they were conflating the earlier lobbying efforts that he was doing on behalf of a foreign government and conflating that with his later service for the Trump Administration when the two events were completely independent, unrelated and not occurring at the same time.

Which is what the judge admitted had happened when he walked back what it is that he said.

You could just as easily assume without any evidence that the redacted portions said that he actually committed armed robbery but nothing in anyone statements supports that.

As I said pages back, neither you or I know what the evidence consists of. It's really not possible to determining guilt or innocence when you compare the careful examination of all relevant factors before rendering a decision with the information available to the public to layman.

 

[Que]

As I said pages back, neither you or I know what the evidence consists of. It's really not possible to determining guilt or innocence when you compare the careful examination of all relevant factors before rendering a decision with the information available to the public to layman.

Yes. We. Do.

We. Have. statements. From. Both the PROSECUTORS WHO WROTE EVERY REDACTED WORD and the JUDGE WHO READ EVERY REDACTED WORD who said that Flynn did not do what you are accusing him of.

What is wrong with you?

 

[KeithD]

What is wrong with you?

I think it has something to do with your dogged lying.

 

[Que]

Walter Mitty, the fake SR71 pilot, stick to the story ideas section and telling absolutely preposterous lies about your imaginary service to this country.

Your conjecture about what you think may yet happen is irrelevant.

You being ignorant of current events does not make my accurate statements lies.

"I made a statement about Mr. Flynn acting as a foreign agent in the White House," Sullivan said, adding that it was an incorrect statement because Flynn had stopped lobbying on behalf of the Turkish government in 2016.

Sullivan also reversed course on questions he had asked regarding treason. "I'm not suggesting" Flynn committed treason, Sullivan said. "I was just trying to determine the benefit and the generosity of the government."

"Don't read too much into the questions I ask," he said in court on Tuesday afternoon.

 

[about_average]

"I cannot recall any incident in which the court has accepted a plea of guilty from someone who maintained he was not guilty and I don't intend to start today." - Judge Sullivan

It's funny people attacking the judge for asking if a charge of treason was ever considered, and that he "had" to walk it back, even though there's no evidence he "had" to walk it back, only that he chose to clarify that he was only asking, not that he was accusing Flynn of treason.

Yet there's silence from the same people about the White House still claiming (even after the hearing) Flynn was trapped in to lying to the FBI, even though both he and his lawyer say he wasn't, that he lied to the FBI, he knew it was against the law to lie to the FBI and he chose to do it anyway.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

This is Pizzagate level tin foil hat stuff

 

[doowdniw]

The prosecutor,. Not Flynn's lawyers says you are (and the judge was) wrong.

The judgw ACKNOWLEDGED he was wrong.

There are NO "other indictments"

There is a lot more to consider in the federal sentencing guidelines than "other indictments". We'll see if Flynn can further redeem himself in the next 90 days. I still think jail time is more than a slight possibility.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Yes. We. Do.

We. Have. statements. From. Both the PROSECUTORS WHO WROTE EVERY REDACTED WORD and the JUDGE WHO READ EVERY REDACTED WORD who said that Flynn did not do what you are accusing him of.

What is wrong with you?

Statements from the judge and prosecutor are not a substitute for a thorough consideration of the aggregate of factual information.

 

[KeithD]

"I cannot recall any incident in which the court has accepted a plea of guilty from someone who maintained he was not guilty and I don't intend to start today." - Judge Sullivan

It's funny people attacking the judge for asking if a charge of treason was ever considered, and that he "had" to walk it back, even though there's no evidence he "had" to walk it back, only that he chose to clarify that he was only asking, not that he was accusing Flynn of treason.

Yet there's silence from the same people about the White House still claiming (even after the hearing) Flynn was trapped in to lying to the FBI, even though both he and his lawyer say he wasn't, that he lied to the FBI, he knew it was against the law to lie to the FBI and he chose to do it anyway.

Right. Not, of course, in Que's warped alternate "reality."

 

[Que]

Statements from the judge and prosecutor are not a substitute for a thorough consideration of the aggregate of factual information.

Unless of course you like the statement by the judge such as the fact that Flynn committed treason then you're all about what the judge says because of course he drew that conclusion from some magic that he read in the redacted remarks.

You seem to be the best example I've ever seen of trump derangement syndrome; you used to be capable of reason.

 

[Que]

There is a lot more to consider in the federal sentencing guidelines than "other indictments". We'll see if Flynn can further redeem himself in the next 90 days. I still think jail time is more than a slight possibility.

I never said there wasn't. I was responding to the nonsense that there are other indictments that were being considered. There were no other indictments being considered because there were NO 9ther crimes submitted for indictment. Quit moving the f****** goalposts I'm getting tired.

 

[Que]

Right. Not, of course, in Que's warped alternate "reality."

You're an absolute idiot. That's about elocution. The defendant has to elocute. Specifically he has to stop suggesting he is not guilty and he has to elocute that he is guilty. That doesn't mean that the judge has an opinion one way or the other about whether he is or is not guilty.

The judge was giving Flynn the opportunity to withdraw the plea if that was what he wanted or insisting that he actually elocute if he wants to take the plea. Flynn's choices at that point where to either elocute whether he is or is not actually guilty or let this circus continue with all the expenses that are attendant to that. I guarantee you that his next week's legal bills are going to be more than the maximum $9,600 fine.

 

[oO00Oo]

According to lil queef Flynn plead guilty for no reason. What silly little simpleton he is..lol

 

[KeithD]

According to lil queef Flynn plead guilty for no reason. What silly little simpleton he is..lol

Que's kinda guy.

 

[doowdniw]

According to lil queef Flynn plead guilty for no reason. What silly little simpleton he is..lol

Pleading guilty to nonexistent crimes seems to be the new thing.

 

[KeithD]

Pleading guilty to nonexistent crimes seems to be the new thing.

At least pretending you think Trump people are pleading guilty to nonexistent crimes is a new thing--along with lying because Trump has been nonstop lying cool.

 

[about_average]

"Judge Sullivan usually gives prosecutors a hard time, not because they've necessarily done anything wrong, but because he holds the government to a very high standard," said Glenn Kirschner, a former federal prosecutor who has often appeared before Sullivan. "But today, it played out to the disadvantage of the defendant. And why? The defendant was a high-ranking government official who engaged in egregious conduct. And Judge Sullivan turned his wrath on the defendant."

In 2009, Sullivan overturned the bribery conviction of former Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) after it was discovered that FBI agents and prosecutors had improperly withheld that their key witnesses against him had given differing accounts.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-judge-emmet-sullivan-profile-20181219-story.html

That's why Trumpettes were glad Sullivan was the Judge hearing the case.
That didn't really go so well for them.