Will feminists ever voice sympathy for these men?

[LJ_Reloaded]

Where are the protests... except, that is, from men's rights groups?

http://www.texasmonthly.com/story/exonerated?fullpage=1

The Exonerated
These 37 men spent 525 years in prison for crimes they didn’t commit. Then came the hard part: freedom.

The first thing you notice is the eyes—they all have the same look in them, the look of men accustomed to waking up every morning in a prison cell. These 37 men spent years, and in some cases decades, staring through bars at a world that believed they were guilty of terrible crimes. But they weren’t. Each was convicted of doing something he did not do. It’s hard to characterize the look in their eyes. There’s anger, obviously, and pride at having survived hell, but there’s also hurt, and a question: “Why me?”

The short answer is simple: People make mistakes. Most of these cases share a common story line: A woman, usually a traumatized rape victim, wrongly identifies her attacker. Sometimes her testimony is backed by rudimentary serology tests. Sometimes the cases are pushed too hard by aggressive police officers or prosecutors. Sometimes the accused already has a criminal record and becomes a suspect in an unsolved case in which he resembles (or is the same race as) the perpetrator. Almost every man here had a solid alibi, but cops, prosecutors, and juries chose not to believe it.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Most similar cases were honest mistakes by a victim, combined with ambitious police and prosecutor, but many of them were lies by women, such as in the Duke Lacrosse Case. I suspect thee are thousands more innocent men who are still in prison.

And, yes, there are also rapists who have gotten away with it.

ETA: But, to answer your question, feminists will never express sympathy for any men, but especially not accused rapists.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Most similar cases were honest mistakes by a victim, combined with ambitious police and prosecutor, but many of them were lies by women, such as in the Duke Lacrosse Case. I suspect thee are thousands more innocent men who are still in prison.

And, yes, there are also rapists who have gotten away with it.

ETA: But, to answer your question, feminists will never express sympathy for any men, but especially not accused rapists.

The problem is, nobody cares about these men. The only people who advocate for them are men's groups. And then men's rights groups get maligned. And then people wonder why men's rights groups are growing....

 

[lovecraft68]

For every guy wrongly accused of Rape(and I am not saying that is right by any means) twenty more did it and got away with it with his d-bag lawyer making the victim look like a whore.

How about the assholes in Canada that even put pics of it on face-book and got away with it?

You twist shit to your own woman hating means.

No one is going to feel bad when one cuts your nuts off and makes you eat them.

I know, I know, "Better not meet me in an alley!"

Cyber tough guy

 

[renard_ruse]

The problem is, nobody cares about these men. The only people who advocate for them are men's groups. And then men's rights groups get maligned. And then people wonder why men's rights groups are growing....

I don't hear men's rights groups maligned. Maybe in some Woman's Studies departments somewhere, but mostly they are ignored, which is the real problem they have. Nobody knows about them.

 

[renard_ruse]

I found this interesting, since we are always told how oppressed and powerless females are in third world and traditional societies. Gendercide against boy babies in Papua New Guinea:

In November 2008, it was reported that in Agibu and Amosa villages women had agreed that if they stopped producing males, allowing only female babies to survive, their tribe's stock of boys would go down and there would be no men in future to fight. They agreed to have all newborn male babies killed. It is not known how many male babies were killed by being smothered, but it had reportedly happened to all males over a 10-year period and probably was still happening...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Highlands_Province

 

[warrior queen]

There's a case in Weat Australia where a man was wrongly convicted of murdering his girlfriend.
He spent decades in jail.
He's free now..... because the ONLY person who believed he was innocent was a woman.
She campaigned tirelessly on his behalf. She was not related to him in any way - just a concerned citizen who saw an injustice.

My point?
Not ALL women are evil, nasty, manipulative feminists out to get all men.
This is just one example out of what I suspect is many, many more.

 

[renard_ruse]

The op does bring up a good point. Part of the "tough on crime" pendulum swing we've seen in recent decades is due in part because a large majority of the accused and the convicted are men. Once femanists took over the mainstream of liberalism, concern for the accused as well as a rehabilitative criminal justice system has gradually become less and less a part of liberal politics. At one time, one of the cornerstones of 20th century liberalism was a belief that rehabilitation should be an important purpose of the prison system. You rarely hear this from today's liberals, not as one would suspect because they are afraid of losing elections as "soft on crime" but primarily because its not a cause that their feminist base cares about. In fact, women, whether feminist, liberal, conservative, or apolitical, like the idea that "dangerous" men are locked far away from them and their children. The fact that these are human beings who may have made a mistake or two in life, or aren't even guilty in the first place, is not important.

 

[renard_ruse]

For every guy wrongly accused of Rape(and I am not saying that is right by any means) twenty more did it and got away with it

You're saying that in order to punish twenty guilty people, we should incarcerate one innocent person?

That's rather strange.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I found this interesting, since we are always told how oppressed and powerless females are in third world and traditional societies. Gendercide against boy babies in Papua New Guinea:

Absolutely not even a whisper about this. Protests? I think not.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

There's a case in Weat Australia where a man was wrongly convicted of murdering his girlfriend.
He spent decades in jail.
He's free now..... because the ONLY person who believed he was innocent was a woman.
She campaigned tirelessly on his behalf. She was not related to him in any way - just a concerned citizen who saw an injustice.

My point?
Not ALL women are evil, nasty, manipulative feminists out to get all men.
This is just one example out of what I suspect is many, many more.

Please show where I ever said that all women were like that.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

For every guy wrongly accused of Rape(and I am not saying that is right by any means) twenty more did it and got away with it with his d-bag lawyer making the victim look like a whore.

How about the assholes in Canada that even put pics of it on face-book and got away with it?

You twist shit to your own woman hating means.

No one is going to feel bad when one cuts your nuts off and makes you eat them.

I know, I know, "Better not meet me in an alley!"

Cyber tough guy

Nobody's going to cry when someone busts a cap in your ass. And knowing you and your bragging about learning all that Kung-Fu from television, that's exactly what's going to happen to you.

You will leave the thread forever now, kung phooey.

 

[warrior queen]

The op does bring up a good point. Part of the "tough on crime" pendulum swing we've seen in recent decades is due in part because a large majority of the accused and the convicted are men. Once femanists took over the mainstream of liberalism, concern for the accused as well as a rehabilitative criminal justice system has gradually become less and less a part of liberal politics. At one time, one of the cornerstones of 20th century liberalism was a belief that rehabilitation should be an important purpose of the prison system. You rarely hear this from today's liberals, not as one would suspect because they are afraid of losing elections as "soft on crime" but primarily because its not a cause that their feminist base cares about. In fact, women, whether feminist, liberal, conservative, or apolitical, like the idea that "dangerous" men are locked far away from them and their children. The fact that these are human beings who may have made a mistake or two in life, or aren't even guilty in the first place, is not important.

The reason nobody talks about rehabilitation is because in the majority of cases is simply doean't work.

 

[XdOu™]

Hmmmm...

 

[badbabysitter]

Where are the protests... except, that is, from men's rights groups?

http://www.texasmonthly.com/story/exonerated?fullpage=1

The Exonerated
These 37 men spent 525 years in prison for crimes they didn’t commit. Then came the hard part: freedom.

The first thing you notice is the eyes—they all have the same look in them, the look of men accustomed to waking up every morning in a prison cell. These 37 men spent years, and in some cases decades, staring through bars at a world that believed they were guilty of terrible crimes. But they weren’t. Each was convicted of doing something he did not do. It’s hard to characterize the look in their eyes. There’s anger, obviously, and pride at having survived hell, but there’s also hurt, and a question: “Why me?”

The short answer is simple: People make mistakes. Most of these cases share a common story line: A woman, usually a traumatized rape victim, wrongly identifies her attacker. Sometimes her testimony is backed by rudimentary serology tests. Sometimes the cases are pushed too hard by aggressive police officers or prosecutors. Sometimes the accused already has a criminal record and becomes a suspect in an unsolved case in which he resembles (or is the same race as) the perpetrator. Almost every man here had a solid alibi, but cops, prosecutors, and juries chose not to believe it.

you want a protest every time there's an injustice commited?

shit, where were the MRA's protesting when the Castor brothers were arrested for keeping 3 women imprisoned and raped continously for 10 years.... they were nowhere and still are...in fact some MRA sites are upset about the " feigned outrage" about the treatment those women recieved.. as if disgust at a monstrous crime is somehow a political football

as for th next point.. and I've tried going over this time and time again..is that the vast amount of sexual assault charges are never reported..and when it comes to those that are reported, only 1 in 20 ever sees the inside of a courtroom..and that's because many of these cases end up in testimony only...and the VAST MAJORITY of testimonial based trials find the defendant acquited

is this a horrible thing that happened to that man?

yes, it is a horrible travesty of justice and I hope he gets all the support in the world

but to go on and imply that this is somehow commonplace is both insanely absurd and an outright falsehood

yes, there were always be people that get arrested and charged falsely, and yes, it is horrible what happened to him

but to use this is as an anti-feminist platform is insulting to all victims of sexual violence

 

[badbabysitter]

ETA: But, to answer your question, feminists will never express sympathy for any men, but especially not accused rapists.

Dude, you know as much about feminism as renard knows about...basic facts about anything

 

[badbabysitter]

The op does bring up a good point. Part of the "tough on crime" pendulum swing we've seen in recent decades is due in part because a large majority of the accused and the convicted are men. Once femanists took over the mainstream of liberalism, concern for the accused as well as a rehabilitative criminal justice system has gradually become less and less a part of liberal politics. At one time, one of the cornerstones of 20th century liberalism was a belief that rehabilitation should be an important purpose of the prison system. You rarely hear this from today's liberals, not as one would suspect because they are afraid of losing elections as "soft on crime" but primarily because its not a cause that their feminist base cares about. In fact, women, whether feminist, liberal, conservative, or apolitical, like the idea that "dangerous" men are locked far away from them and their children. The fact that these are human beings who may have made a mistake or two in life, or aren't even guilty in the first place, is not important.

actually we do hear about it, all the time... but some of us actually dont get our information fed to us like you do

every single" tough on crime" bill that passes gets outrage from both criminolgists and the corrections system because they know it doesnt work

you wouldnt know that... because you're an idiot

 

[badbabysitter]

The reason nobody talks about rehabilitation is because in the majority of cases is simply doean't work.

completely untrue

it's "tough on crime" measures and acts that dont work

 

[warrior queen]

completely untrue

it's "tough on crime" measures and acts that dont work

I have never heard of a single case where an executed murderer commited murder again.
But I have heard, over and over, 'rehabilitated' rapists who commit rape again, 'rehabilitated' pedophiles attacking children again, 'rehabilitated' burglers robbing again..... and on, and on, and on.....

 

[badbabysitter]

I have never heard of a single case where an executed murderer commited murder again.
But I have heard, over and over, 'rehabilitated' rapists who commit rape again, 'rehabilitated' pedophiles attacking children again, 'rehabilitated' burglers robbing again..... and on, and on, and on.....

but I have heard of cases of innocent people being executed


i also know that it costs more to execute a person than it does to imprison them for the rest of their lives

there are people that were arrested in the 70's for a kilo of pot that are still jail today

i know people who are mentally ill who never get treated and are sent to jail, get out, commit crimes, never get treated and go back in again

can you explain to me how tough on crime is working out again?

 

[warrior queen]

but I have heard of cases of innocent people being executed


i also know that it costs more to execute a person than it does to imprison them for the rest of their lives

there are people that were arrested in the 70's for a kilo of pot that are still jail today

i know people who are mentally ill who never get treated and are sent to jail, get out, commit crimes, never get treated and go back in again

can you explain to me how tough on crime is working out again?

Going soft on crime is not the answer either.
I'm not having this discussion again here.
Suffice to say I do not believe that the current systems in place have any marked effect on crime.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

you want a protest every time there's an injustice commited?

shit, where were the MRA's protesting when the Castor brothers were arrested for keeping 3 women imprisoned and raped continously for 10 years.... they were nowhere and still are...in fact some MRA sites are upset about the " feigned outrage" about the treatment those women recieved.. as if disgust at a monstrous crime is somehow a political football

First of all, I don't see the outrage over shit like that as feigned, and I never saw any MRA group that said it was, but I'll give you this one since I did see some idiot post "put her in the RAPE ZONE" so like nutballs in the feminist movement there are nutballs among MRAs. It's just that feminists don't catch hellfire and damnation from the world over it. One bad MRA makes us all look bad.

as for th next point.. and I've tried going over this time and time again..is that the vast amount of sexual assault charges are never reported..and when it comes to those that are reported, only 1 in 20 ever sees the inside of a courtroom..and that's because many of these cases end up in testimony only...and the VAST MAJORITY of testimonial based trials find the defendant acquited

This means nothing at all for the 37 men in the story I posted. Try telling that to them.

is this a horrible thing that happened to that man?

yes, it is a horrible travesty of justice and I hope he gets all the support in the world

but to go on and imply that this is somehow commonplace is both insanely absurd and an outright falsehood

I'm sorry, did I post somewhere that it was rare, commonplace or that it happens to all men? Can you point me to that so I can edit it? Thanks!

What I said was those 37 men whose lives were ruined by a false rape charge are, unlike women victims of practically anything, forgotten and nobody but the MRAs give a shit about them. When a woman rape victim gets victimized by the system it's one giant media shitfest. For male rape victims or those falsely accused of rape... not so much.

yes, there were always be people that get arrested and charged falsely, and yes, it is horrible what happened to him

but to use this is as an anti-feminist platform is insulting to all victims of sexual violence

Then perhaps feminists need to stop claiming that there's no need for MRAs?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Going soft on crime is not the answer either.
I'm not having this discussion again here.
Suffice to say I do not believe that the current systems in place have any marked effect on crime.

You'll change your tune when you're falsely accused and convicted of murder.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/06/us/exonerated-inmate-seeks-end-to-maryland-death-penalty.html?_r=0

 

[warrior queen]

You'll change your tune when you're falsely accused and convicted of murder.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/06/us/exonerated-inmate-seeks-end-to-maryland-death-penalty.html?_r=0

When I get falsely accused of murder, I'll get back to you.

 

[gravyrug]

This is an issue that I've followed here in TX for a decade or more. It has nothing to do with feminism, and everything to do with the need for criminal justice reform. Those cases (and there were quite a few) where eyewitness ID was mistaken were because of poor police practices in eyewitness lineups, which in the process of reform. The cops essentially made sure their favorite suspect was the one that the witness picked out, without taking into account any doubts the witness might have had. The rest of the problem is prosecutors being overzealous and suffering tunnel vision, trying to get a conviction rather than actual justice.