Why You Make 59 Cents

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

WHY MEN EARN MORE, Warren Farrell

Farrell worked for NOW and researched why women make less money than men. The question was: If women work for significantly less money, why would anyone hire a man? Farrell says he believed that women were discriminated against when he began the study, but no longer believes it. Consequently, he lists 25 ways women self-inflict low pay on themselves.

The results are generally speaking.

1. Women refuse to do dangerous work or take physical risks.
2. Women refuse to relocate to unappealing cities.
3. Women prefer glamor careers or performing, but wait tables until they big break comes.
4. Women want to work 9-5 with weekends off.

Farrell details how the big money is linked with danger, problems, inconvenience, isolation, etc. The average woman cant be bothered with relocating to the Amazon jungle or working on oil rigs.

Farrell also discovered that where all things are equal, women usually earn more for the same work that men do. Like pharmacists, for example. So, if you work in a bank or convenience store or teach or work as a librarian or nurse, you already make more than the guys who work with you.

Farrell fills the book with schemes that women can use to game the system. When females join the military or fire department or drive cabs (the dangerous jobs) they get the best jobs available. Take reporters in Iraq: The male reporters are murdered a lot more often than females...7 to 1 ratio. The guys cover the fighting, the women interview moms and teachers. Same money. Farrell encourages women to get into dangerous jobs and let the system protect them, it will.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

Republicans love women.

It's all a conspiracy.

The Republicans don't want to pay the men of the baby boomer age what they deserve in wages. Yet, they need white collar workers to man their offices. What to do?

"Let's get rid of the men and hire their wives!"

"Brilliant."

"That way, we can pay them less money than they deserve, too, while earning the company more money."

It's a conspiracy, I tell you. You look across American and just have to see all the men who are unemployed or under employed. "They" can't wait for us to die off, so that they can hire our sons and daughters and grandchildren.

Our generation got screwed because there is just too many of us.

 

[The_Trouvere]

An additional reason is that most women prefer successful men, but most men do not prefer successful women. This gives men a powerful incentitive that women lack.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Farrell confirmed that women prefer rich men, but rich men dont give a fuck what their wives make.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

BFW

A question that plagues me is: Why is there any unemployment at all?

Society benefits when everyone contributes something to the economy, however modest the contribution is.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

Why is there unemployment?

Ask President Ronnie why he allowed banks and other businesses to eat one another until during the mergers and takeover of the '80's.

He said that the creation of bigger and stronger companies would create more jobs. Only when Baybank bought out Bank of Boston who was then bought out by Fleetbank who fell to Bank of America, thousands of people were layed off.

People are out of work because they'd rather pull their SUV up to an ATM rather than park their fat truck and get off their fat ass and go inside the bank to interact with a teller.

Americans would rather have drive up everything so that they don't have to walk to talk to anyone.

America has unemployment because the Republicans sent all the good, high paying jobs overseas to China, India, South America et al impovished countries of the world, not to help their economies, but to increase their profits.

Our elected officials owe a loyalty to the people who voted them into office. Unfortunately, because of lobbyists and big business and hundred million dollar political campaigns, these politicians are bought and paid for by the Fortune 100 companies.

And it is the Fortune 100 companies who don't want Joe Smith earning $25 an hour when they can pay some slope head overseas pennies on the dollar.

Let's see you work for Burger King making $6.00 an hour and tell your children why you can't afford to pay rent or buy food. There are no jobs because the Republicans eradicated them. They sent the good jobs overseas.

The Republicans are intent on making America a third world nation. The rich get richer. And we all are allowing that to happen.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

BFW

Have you been to Burger King lately?

A burger, fries, and Coke for two cost as much as the lunch buffet at many of the local restaurants.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

BFW

Have you been to Burger King lately?

A burger, fries, and Coke for two cost as much as the lunch buffet at many of the local restaurants.

You're point?

I don't eat plastic, shit food.

Moreover, if their prices have increased as the lunch buffet at many of the local restaurants, then why haven't the raised the wages of their employees accordingly.

Second, I don't eat buffet food. It takes will power to maintain my lean machine of a body. I'm not your typical fat American. I watch what I eat and exercise. If we all did that, we'd have the energy to kick Bush out of office. The man should have been impeached when he failed to prove his weapons of mass destruction.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

BFW

My point is Burger King already charges too much; if it pays more for labor it will lose all its customers.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

I wouldn't cry over fast food establishments going out of business. If we had less Burger Kings, people in this country would weigh less.

There reason why there is not full employment in this country is that there's no money in it. Our big companies have the ears of our elected officials and they don't want full employment. They don't want Johnny's Dad working overtime or full-time.

They'd rather have Johnny's Mom working 29 1/2 hours a week so that they can consider her part-time and pay her part-time wages and benefits.

Then, they want to reach in everyone's pocket and take the little bit of money that they've been allowed to earn to pay for gas for their care, healthcare, prescription drugs, and food.

The poor get poorer and the rich get richer. I'll never understand why an average Joe or Jane would vote for a big business Republican. It has to be that they are stupid to believe their lies.

"If we keep America stupid, we'll keep them poor and that will be more money for us," said Chaney.

 

[trysail]

Envy and innumeracy are a dangerous combination:

Warren Edward Buffett— $50,000,000,000
William Gates— $45,000,000,000
____________________
Total— $95,000,000,000

U.S. Population 303,000,000

If you steal it all:
$95,000,000,000 / 303,000,000 = $316/Person


"Work or starve."

"By the sweat of thy brow shalt thou eat."

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

I don't want to steal their money. I only want an opportunity to make my own money. I want a level playing field. I don't want my elected officials working against me. I don't want my elected officials helping Buffet or Gates to make another billion rather than to give me a good job with a fair wage.

This is America. This has always been America. You just have to go to Newport Rhode Island to see the "cottages" of Vanderbuilt, Carnegy, and Astor et al, to see that nothing has changed since Rockefeller cheated someone out of their land to dig his first oil well or Ford pushed off his first motor car.

This is not a country for the common man. It never was. Greed is alive and well in America. Only, most of us, 99% of us, never get to feed at their table. We are given scraps of their leftover waste. We never have enough to eat. We always want more.

They give us little and expect everything in return. We are slaves to their wealth and to their money machine.

Yet...there is hope. If we all stood tall together and demanded change, we'd get what we want. The first change is to vote someone like Obama into office and if he fails to deliver what he promises to vote him out in four years and continue the process, until those in office get the message.

We need to do the same with the House and the Senate. We need to do that with our Governors, Mayors, and City Council. We Americans hold the power.

Only, we'd rather sit at home and watch our big screen TV's while stuffing our fat bellies with Burger King.

"Get up off your ass! Look what one man, George W Bush has not only done to your country, but to you personally. He has single-handedly not only ruined your life but the lives of your children and children's children but spending one trillion dollars that we didn't have on a war that we can't win.

Meanwhile Iraq still pumps oil and keeps their profits while we fund the rebuild of their country. Meanwhile George W and Chaney becomes one of the richest men in the world.

We all need to wake up and stand together. We all need to say enough is a fucking 'nough.

You people have fucked my country and me over long enough. I'm done with your dirty politics.

The first step is the get rid of the campaign contributions. No one is allowed to give another politician another dollar. The campaign fat war chest is over and empty.

From now on, television and radio stations must give all candidates equal time, even if they have to have a political station earmarked just for that. Newspapers and magazines must carry their ads. Web sites are free to anyone running for office.

This way, there's no more lobbyists and no more dirty deals behind closed doors. As soon as we sniff something wrong, we put these thieves in jail. I'm done. I'm tired of my government lying to me. I'm done voting a hope and a dream in the White House only to discover that he is one and the same, owned by bid business and my concerns and adgenda comes last.

It's time we all got angry. It's time we all wrote and called everyone and anyone to voice our outrage.

Do you like paying $4.00 for gas? How's your health plan? Are you covered should you have something seriously wrong with you? Or will your insurance put a cap on your coverage, say that it is experimental, or not covered because it is a pre-existing condition.

Do you like dying in a car that is unsafe? There are plenty of those, more unsafe vehicles than there are safe vehicles. They could make a safer vehicle, just as they can make one that gets better mileage, but so long as no one complains, they won't.

It's time to complain. It's time we all complained. Then, they'd listen to us. It's time.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

BFW

Rockefeller and Carnegie both began life poor.

When Rockefeller bought his first piece-o-crap refinery whale oil cost 95 cents a gallon. Rockefeller sold kerosene for 5 cents a gallon. He sold Standard Oil stock to lots of poor people. If they kept the stock the shares sold for 250K each in the 1920s. Many poor people became rich.

Rockefeller eliminated hookworm disease in America.

He created University of Chicago and a black college in Atlanta.

He gave away 500 MILLION of his own money to charities.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

Yes, poor Rockefeller. I read his biography, too. We can go back and forth listing his good and bad, mostly bad.

Moreover, it wasn't Rockefeller who gave away a nickel. That man was as cheap as he was rich. It was his foundation that gave away the money. It was his foundation that was established to save John D's fortune from being lost to taxes.

It is his foundation that eternalizes the wealth of his money. Yet, in the same breath, it is his foundation that is more concern with returns on investment and stock margins than it is with giving money away. Get real. The Rockefeller Foundation is still in existence because it earns more money than it gives away.

There is a fine balance here. Profit is first and charity is second and taxes are last (lol).

John D and his oil is responsible for more misery than it is good. He ruined many lives. He murdered and stole and did whatever he needed to do to grow his company and his fortune. Hopefully, there is a special place for these people when they die. I hope he is burning in Hell for what he has done to people.

I prefer more what Bill and Melinda Gates are doing. I prefer how they are making genuine contributions to the quality of life to those who have nothing.

Bill quit his job at Microsoft to manage his foundation. He hopes to eradicate AIDS. He wants healthcare for everyone. He wants equal education for all.

Have you ever been in a black school?

They don't even have the same books that the white kids do? It's a disgrace. Is it any wonder why so many black kids don't finish high school, can barely read and write.

Washington DC is the worst offender. Go into one of their schools and you'll be outraged. You'll think you're in another country. You won't believe that you can see the Capitol building from their class room.

Sometimes I hate this country for the way that it twists the truth and lies to us. We could be so much better in the eyes of the world, but it's all about the almighty dollar. Nothing else matters.

 

[Katyusha]

There reason why there is not full employment in this country is that there's no money in it. Our big companies have the ears of our elected officials and they don't want full employment. They don't want Johnny's Dad working overtime or full-time.

They'd rather have Johnny's Mom working 29 1/2 hours a week so that they can consider her part-time and pay her part-time wages and benefits.

Also, many companies refuse to hire you at full-time hours for decent pay. They tell applicants that they promote from within so that if you aren't already with the corporation at some level in some place, you will start at the bottom, part-time, probably at state minimum wage, regardless of your experience, education, and credentials.

And if you've been laid off or you're looking for a different job because yours no longer pays the bills, or better yet, if you're a recent college graduate with little to no history with the companies you're applying to, this type of thing is your fate.

It makes me sick to my stomach.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Envy and innumeracy are a dangerous combination:

Warren Edward Buffett— $50,000,000,000
William Gates— $45,000,000,000
____________________
Total— $95,000,000,000

U.S. Population 303,000,000

If you steal it all:
$95,000,000,000 / 303,000,000 = $316/Person


"Work or starve."

"By the sweat of thy brow shalt thou eat."

Bill Gates and Warren Buffett did not make their money without the help of the working class.

 

[Carnevil9]

Another reason women make less money is because they make babies. The average mom will not work a full forty-year career, but will take off several times for pregnancy, nursing, etc. Yes, many go back, and yes, some men take time off as well. But the overall fact is that women tend to rack up less experience in the career department than men do.

 

[amicus]

BFW, another by God, Hotshot socialist whining about America,(with apologies to the film, "Always" with Holly Hunter & Richard Dreyfus)

Notwithstanding that the United States has the highest employment rate among all western democracies.

Notwithstanding that America has the highest standard of living in the world and has had for half a century.

And the audacity of the young, green behind the ears, physically fit, jaded intellectual who scorns the soccer moms who love McDonalds and Burger King and you are even wrong about that; you still buy a Whopper Jr. Hamburger with all the trimmings for a buck.

I know, I bought three just yesterday.

And who the hell are you to look down your nose at Americans because of their diets anyway? Talk to the folks in Mogadishu or a hundred other, third world socialist dicktatorships as they beg for a bowl of rice.

You should, ala Atlas Shrugged, kiss the sigh of wealth,$, the dollar sign, the only nation in the world that uses its initials to identify its currency.

You hate freedom, the very concept of the free market, capitalism, where people are actually free to choose the style of life they prefer.

And yoiu hate wealth of anykind because you are jealous and envious of those who have it cuz u be a poor boy from the slums.

Rags to Riches happens nowhere else in the world save America, if you are born poor in a socialist paradise, you stay that way and only those who can steal from the poor ever get rich.

And, as JBJ noted, if you steal the wealth of every rich person in America you would still be poor in mind and spirit, looking for something else to steal rather than produce it yourself.

Samo, samo socialist dream, usually espoused by dependent women and retarded men.

Amicus...

 

[Safe_Bet]

Another reason women make less money is because they make babies. The average mom will not work a full forty-year career, but will take off several times for pregnancy, nursing, etc. Yes, many go back, and yes, some men take time off as well. But the overall fact is that women tend to rack up less experience in the career department than men do.

Erm, are implying that men work at only one job or industry their entire careers? Or perhaps that the financial and management skills that a mother develop's from taking care of a family's finances, organization, nutrition and logistics are not as valid as those developed by Mr. "Want fries with that burger?"

I know that this is a really wild concept, but shouldn't people be compensated for how WELL they do a job, not for just how long they have been doing it?

 

[amicus]

Oh, and lest I forget to serve just desserts to the deserving, Lisa Denton's commentary contained more ignorance and stupidity than a whole thread of most baby socialists.

Walmart, in general, saves the average consumer on the order of $2500.00 a year over the Mom & Pop, or the "Union Labor only" variety stores of the past.

The American people are truly smart enough to recognize a good buy when they see on and Walmart is just that.

And outsourcing, gads woman, even in the 50's Japanese Camera's and German Cuttlery were at a premium even though we just beat the shit out of both in WW2.

And then, lo a behold, Union Labor in the Auto and Steel Industries decided they bould blackmail the American public into supporting their demands for increased wages and benefits and guess what? Anerican businessmen went overseas, sent engineers and planners, built factories, trained workers, improved the local economy by hiring people, building roads and other infrastructure, build an automobile, ship it halfway around the world and sell it cheaper than what Detroit Union workers would work for.

Go figure.

Not only that it was a better product than Detroit Iron.

It is called the 'free market' sweetums, works everywhere, has enriched the world, brought better and cheaper products, raising the quality of life of everyone involved.

How many times do you have to be shown the example of forced labor and a controlled market, aka the now defunct Soviet Union, to at least get a glimmer of light in your dark head?

Inquiring people wonder...

Amicus...

 

[Guest]

Ami's back!

Still got the hots for Holly Hunter, I see.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

And yoiu hate wealth of anykind because you are jealous and envious of those who have it cuz u be a poor boy from the slums.

You know, when money no longer has value, wealth doesn't mean shit. It's the workers of the world who hold sway then.

And it was laissez-faire that brought America to the point of money meaning nothing at all.

You want to know why America is great? Because we balance capitalism with socialism. If you disagree with that, then let's see you MOVE to a country without any socialism and see how long you last. What? You can't walk that talk? Awwww. Back to the drawing board for you, mon ami.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

BFW, another by God, Hotshot socialist whining about America,(with apologies to the film, "Always" with Holly Hunter & Richard Dreyfus)

Notwithstanding that the United States has the highest employment rate among all western democracies.

Notwithstanding that America has the highest standard of living in the world and has had for half a century.

And the audacity of the young, green behind the ears, physically fit, jaded intellectual who scorns the soccer moms who love McDonalds and Burger King and you are even wrong about that; you still buy a Whopper Jr. Hamburger with all the trimmings for a buck.

I know, I bought three just yesterday.

And who the hell are you to look down your nose at Americans because of their diets anyway? Talk to the folks in Mogadishu or a hundred other, third world socialist dicktatorships as they beg for a bowl of rice.

You should, ala Atlas Shrugged, kiss the sigh of wealth,$, the dollar sign, the only nation in the world that uses its initials to identify its currency.

You hate freedom, the very concept of the free market, capitalism, where people are actually free to choose the style of life they prefer.

And yoiu hate wealth of anykind because you are jealous and envious of those who have it cuz u be a poor boy from the slums.

Rags to Riches happens nowhere else in the world save America, if you are born poor in a socialist paradise, you stay that way and only those who can steal from the poor ever get rich.

And, as JBJ noted, if you steal the wealth of every rich person in America you would still be poor in mind and spirit, looking for something else to steal rather than produce it yourself.

Samo, samo socialist dream, usually espoused by dependent women and retarded men.

Amicus...

Actually, I love Holly Hunter (lol). And the movie Always was filmed in Arlington Massachusetts.

Burger King and McDonalds, sorry, isn't food. I'd rather go hungry than eat that shit.

A peanut butter cracker is more nutritious than anything you'll find at fast food fare.

As far as being jealous of those with money (lmao). I'm very well off. Only, I practice what I preach and have given the lions share of my fortune away to those who most need it. My only wish is that I wish I had more to give away.

I feed the homeless every Sunday and the shelter and I know what I speak about. I see those who don't have food and who can't feed themselves because they don't have a job. I don't consider working in the service industry as being employed. Manufacturing is where the money is and we've given the bulk of those jobs away. We outsource way too much of our labor pool and therefore are unable to take care of our own people.

When this country is fare about opportunities, I'll stop complaining. For now, I have much to complain about. Such as the way you are dressed...very sloppy (lol).

You bring up socialism like it's a bad thing. We live in a socialist democracy only they don't call it that. Our military is socialist. Everything is taken care of for the military person, as are our jails and prisons. You'd be surprised how much socialism is in this country. Much of our healthcare and insurance is socialist. I dare say that you know little about what you are talking about when you call me a socialist. Yet, if that is your definition of a socialist, then, I'm proud to hang that title on my shoulders, too.

I still stand behind all my remarks, especially when it comes to the Republican Party. The only good Republican I've ever met are those who have been disgraced and/or put in jail. Serves them right. They are all a bunch of thieves who have made their money off the backs of the little person. I hope they all rot in Hell when they die, which I hope is sooner than later.

I hope a felon shoots them with their own automatic weapons that they pride themselves in not abolishing.

Maybe, if someone machine gunned down some Republican political big wig, they finally do something about legislating real gun control in this country.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

WHY MEN EARN MORE, Warren Farrell

I met Warren Farrell. He's an egotistical ass.

The American people are truly smart enough to recognize a good buy when they see on and Walmart is just that...
It is called the 'free market' sweetums, works everywhere, has enriched the world, brought better and cheaper products, raising the quality of life of everyone involved.

I wouldn't shop at Walmart if you paid me. And it doesn't work out so well for EVERYONE involved... especially the Chinese, who are earning pennies making lead-laden toys for the American kids to put in their mouths... let's make everyone a little dumber, shall we?

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

Hey BFW - I tried to have a barbecue on my deck last week and a big thunderstorm drove us inside - was that caused by Republicans?