Why would anyone vote for Hillary?

[4est_4est_Gump]

Kaleb Vanfosson, the president of Iowa State University’s Students for Bernie chapter, bashed Hillary Clinton and told rally-goers at her own campaign event not to vote for her. He was cheered.

He opened his remarks by bashing Donald Trump on student loan debt, but then surprisingly turned to bashing Hillary Clinton from her own stage. “Unfortunately, Hillary doesn’t really care about this issue either,” Vanfosson said. “The only thing she cares about is pleasing her donors, the billionaires who fund her campaign. The only people that really trust Hillary are Goldman Sachs, CitiGroup can trust Hillary, the military industrial complex can trust Hillary. Her good friend Henry Kissinger can trust Hillary.”

The crowd at the Clinton-Kaine event erupted in applause.


Breitbart

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Reason #1

Her get out the vote effort!

http://xxgasm.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/seductive_peg-1634.jpg

 

[Magnetron]

More and more Republicans are switching their vote to Clinton.

Maybe it is time for underoos1 to ask them the same question.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

How many Clinton voters are staying home or voting third party?


Recent polling indicates a significant number of blacks deserting her.


All that I am picking up is that both teams are engaged in a lot of wishful thinking...

 

[Not Normal]

Pretty stupid question. Obviously I don't know. I don't even know if anyone at all was shot.

And neither do you. You just believe it.

So you say can't give a plausible answer to a question made about your own statement and the thing I said was stupid? You are the master of logic.

Yea, sorry I'm not partisan enough to ignore the BLATANT corruption.

Oh wait no I'm not.

Your knee jerk reactions to all things HRC is no different from a partisan reaction. Its hate and disbelief. That's fine, you're entitled, but that doesn't make it any different than Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, or The Donald.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Your knee jerk reactions to all things HRC is no different from a partisan reaction. Its hate and disbelief. That's fine, you're entitled, but that doesn't make it any different than Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, or The Donald.

So you're in total denial of the reality that HRC was caught by the FBI with stolen Classified US Government documents on her private electronic devices??

Seriously?

"With respect to the thousands of e-mails we found that were not among those produced to State, agencies have concluded that three of those were classified at the time they were sent or received, one at the Secret level and two at the Confidential level."


"110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification."

FBI Director Comey, 5JUL2016.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/p...-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system


Any poor person would have been strung up 6 kinds of fucked for that shit.

 

[underguy1]

So you say can't give a plausible answer to a question made about your own statement and the thing I said was stupid? You are the master of logic.

What is implausible about my answer?

You're not a master of language.

 

[Sean]

You're not a master of language.

OMG, it's Scotty!

 

[underguy1]

OMG, it's Scotty!

Oh look, it's the pretend pommie progressive.

 

[Magnetron]

How many Clinton voters are staying home or voting third party?


Recent polling indicates a significant number of blacks deserting her.


All that I am picking up is that both teams are engaged in a lot of wishful thinking...

She would have more support if she stuck with just campaigning on the issues.

But Trump constantly shooting himself in the foot that is inserted into his own mouth is obviously too easy of a mark to pass up.

 

[Ms_Ann]

She would have more support if she stuck with just campaigning on the issues.

But Trump constantly shooting himself in the foot that is inserted into his own mouth is obviously too easy of a mark to pass up.

All those campaign accusations of rape must be a huge hit for you?

 

[Conager]

She would have more support if she stuck with just campaigning on the issues.

But Trump constantly shooting himself in the foot that is inserted into his own mouth is obviously too easy of a mark to pass up.

Which actual positions on issues would you say would gain the most votes for Hillary Clinton in a center-right country?

 

[Sean]

Which actual positions on issues would you say would gain the most votes for Hillary Clinton in a center-right country?

Cheap/free college (thanks, Bernie!)

 

[BotanyBoy]

Cheap/free college (thanks, Bernie!)

Government has been trying to do that for years.

Doing a great job too....kinda like they did with our HC.

 

[Ms_Ann]

Free...lol.

https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/p/2/005/058/17c/1593a53.jpg

 

[Not Normal]

So you're in total denial of the reality that HRC was caught by the FBI with stolen Classified US Government documents on her private electronic devices??

Seriously?

"With respect to the thousands of e-mails we found that were not among those produced to State, agencies have concluded that three of those were classified at the time they were sent or received, one at the Secret level and two at the Confidential level."


"110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification."

FBI Director Comey, 5JUL2016.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/p...-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system


Any poor person would have been strung up 6 kinds of fucked for that shit.

From your linked atricle:

Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges. There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. Responsible decisions also consider the context of a person’s actions, and how similar situations have been handled in the past.

In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.

And I know you think this happened because she's rich, and that you don't believe someone who understands precedent.

What is implausible about my answer?

You're not a master of language.

In implied that either A) The President and Secratary of State had nothing to do with the assassination of Osama Bin Laden and/or B) Said assassination did not happen.

I asked you then, who did assassinate Osama Bin Laden and you told my my question was stupid. It is truly my not my fault that you have such a problem connecting the line of thought.

 

[jonjonz68]

Government has been trying to do that for years.

Doing a great job too....kinda like they did with our HC.

Actually, in Ohio, government has consistently cut support for Higher Ed.

 

[BotanyBoy]

From your linked atricle:

Yea, no recommendation because reasons.

That must explain AG showering the Clinton crew with immunity deals and then pleading the 5th.

NOTHING shady about that, AT ALL. Nope.

Meanwhile you and the other (D) above all else sucked that bullshit up to keep your faith in the party.

And I know you think this happened because she's rich, and that you don't believe someone who understands precedent.

Precedent is you take classified documents, you go to fuckin' prison, zero fuckin' tolerance.

We do it to poor people ALL THE TIME.

Some of military personnel just this year?

One for a selfie in the wrong room showing secret equipment? PRISON.

Another for failing to report he accidentally loaded maps for a training exercise on his personal laptop? PRISON.

There are over a dozen more just like this.

It's a zero tolerance policy for poor folks, it should be zero tolerance all the way up to POTUS.

Actually, in Ohio, government has consistently cut support for Higher Ed.

I was talking about the feds.

 

[lilfear1]

Because they think War is wonderful

 

[jonjonz68]

I was talking about the feds.

Then where's the evidence the feds are doing that? I see Congress doing nothing to support higher ed.

 

[BotanyBoy]

From your linked atricle:

Yea, no recommendation because reasons.

That must explain AG showering the Clinton crew with immunity deals and then pleading the 5th.

Nothing shady about that, AT ALL. Nope.

Meanwhile you and the other (D) above all else types sucked that up like it was the nectar of the gods just to keep your faith in the party. 20 years ago Trump said grab em' by the pussy!!

And I know you think this happened because she's rich, and that you don't believe someone who understands precedent.

Precedent is you take classified documents, you go to fuckin' prison.

It's a zero tolerance policy for poor folks, we lock them up for the TINIEST of violations all the time.

It should be the same all the way up to POTUS.

Actually, in Ohio, government has consistently cut support for Higher Ed.

I was talking about the feds. All their guaranteed funding and financing etc has just run the cost of an education sky high while at the same time devaluing the shit out of 4 year degrees. They turned most state schools into total fucking scams that have left an entire generation of kids buried in debt and unable to get a job worth a fuck to get out from under it.

 

[jonjonz68]

I was talking about the feds. All their guaranteed funding and financing etc has just run the cost of an education sky high while at the same time devaluing the shit out of 4 year degrees. They turned most state schools into total fucking scams that have left an entire generation of kids buried in debt and unable to get a job worth a fuck to get out from under it.

Your statement doesn't really tell me anything. Here's what actually happened:

Total public funding per full-time-equivalent student for higher education fell 12 percent in the 12-year period starting in 2000, when adjusted for inflation.

Yet during that time, federal funding nearly doubled while state funding fell -- federal funding grew from $43 billion to $83 billion, while state funding dropped from $78 billion to $71 billion.

​

Here's the source.

So, in fact, funding for higher ed. has been cut, and cut especially hard at the state level. Federal support for higher education has only slowed down the rate of decline in overall support.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Your statement doesn't really tell me anything. Here's what actually happened:

Yea since 2000. And I don't even really get what you're talking about.

Go back to when there was no funding.

College degrees were worth a fuck, and they were a hell of a lot cheaper.

So, in fact, funding for higher ed. has been cut, and cut especially hard at the state level. Federal support for higher education has only slowed down the rate of decline in overall support.

Since 2000.

The government already fucked shit up by 2000.

That's why student debt in 2016 is a HUGE problem for our society.

 

[cowslinger64]

How many Clinton voters are staying home or voting third party?


Recent polling indicates a significant number of blacks deserting her.


All that I am picking up is that both teams are engaged in a lot of wishful thinking...

I sent my absentee ballot in, voting for Clinton. It's funny that the rightwingers insist on making it out that she is our savior.. I don't like her, but trump has the bar set so low....not voting for her is insane. Trump is an absolute train wreck and the only people more scary than him are the ones that think he makes sense.

Seems botany is still the toubab without his prozac...lol

 

[jonjonz68]

Yea since 2000. And I don't even really get what you're talking about.

Go back to when there was no funding.

College degrees were worth a fuck, and they were a hell of a lot cheaper.



Since 2000.

The government already fucked shit up by 2000.

That's why student debt in 2016 is a HUGE problem for our society.

You mean under the GI bill? We're now talking better than 70 years of government funding for higher education.

The lack of funding for higher education is the reason student debt is such a HUGE problem, especially when our society demands that folks have college degrees to get a decent paying job.