Why won't the right debate?

[wazhazhe]

Congress doesn't shape strategy, the Pentagon does. If you want to blame anyone for how Iraq is going, point your finger at Rummie. W has not been listening to his generals. They ask for one thing, Rumsfeld tells them what they can have instead, and W rubber stamps it. I'm sure his dad advised him otherwise.


Just one...

Congress has given Bush a blank check to do what ever he wants. They have given him every cent he wanted to the tune of 2 billion a week for Iraq and a budget deficit of 8 trillion dollars. They have signed away rights inherent to the Congressional Branch to Bush. They have also helped Bush in getting rid of habeas corpus and allowed him to torture people.

 

[garbage can]

Anyone that takes them on, they iggy. Why?

*chuckle*...... I don't have anyone on iggy..... not even you.

I'll talk to the Dems anytime....... till the name calling starts..... then I know they've lost...... and don't bother with them.

 

[Sean]

*chuckle*...... I don't have anyone on iggy..... not even you.

I'll talk to the Dems anytime....... till the name calling starts..... then I know they've lost...... and don't bother with them.

Caliban, noone takes you seriously. You don't count.

I don't put people on ignore because of their politics. The only ones I do have are those that spew racist shit. AJ, Ishmael, Garbage man or can or what ever, gringao, ... I think that's all. I choose to only read that crap once from someone.

Gringao isn't a racist. Wingnut, yes, but at least he's rational.

 

[Ajax_Prime]

Congress has given Bush a blank check to do what ever he wants. They have given him every cent he wanted to the tune of 2 billion a week for Iraq and a budget deficit of 8 trillion dollars. They have signed away rights inherent to the Congressional Branch to Bush. They have also helped Bush in getting rid of habeas corpus and allowed him to torture people.

A blank check doesn't determine military strategy either. I'm pretty sure habeas is still going strong...as far as your common criminal is concerned.

 

[wazhazhe]

A blank check doesn't determine military strategy either. I'm pretty sure habeas is still going strong...as far as your common criminal is concerned.

I never said Congress is responsible for the stratagy in Iraq. My last post should answer all your questions.

 

[wazhazhe]

A blank check doesn't determine military strategy either. I'm pretty sure habeas is still going strong...as far as your common criminal is concerned.

The President or his agents can declare any US citizen an enemy combatant, take them into custudy, allow them no contact with the outside, and hold them indefinitely with no court review. That includes you; me; any US citizen; any person anywhere in the world.

Amendment IV of the US Constitution reads as follows.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.​

The Republican Congress passed the bill and the President signed it into law. The Executive Branch now has power that is unchecked by either the Congressional or Judicial Branches. Bush and Congress have gutted the 4th Amendment.

 

[busybody..]

allowed him to torture people.

and sad to say he doesnt

HE SHOULD

As often as needed and THEN some more just to show em we aint fucking around

and those that will bitch, should be decapitated!

surely YOU will have NO problem with that

You dont seem to when the MUSLIMS do it!

 

[busybody..]

The President or his agents can declare any US citizen an enemy combatant, take them into custudy, allow them no contact with the outside, and hold them indefinitely with no court review. That includes you; me; any US citizen; any person anywhere in the world.

Amendment IV of the US Constitution reads as follows.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.​

The Republican Congress passed the bill and the President signed it into law. The Executive Branch now has power that is unchecked by either the Congressional or Judicial Branches. Bush and Congress have gutted the 4th Amendment.

You and ME?

Not me, Buster, I aint an anti American nor a Terrorist

If you are either

You outa be held as an enemy combatant!

 

[wazhazhe]

You and ME?

I many times do I have to tell you? I will not go on a date with you.

 

[busybody..]

Its the OLD LIB line of

They could do it to me!

Take me to prison and no one would ever hear from me!

BS!

They dont give a shit about you, you are meaningless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BUT

if you did something that made you a terrorist........THEN they would care

AS THEY SHOULD

 

[going_long]

Its the OLD LIB line of

They could do it to me!

Take me to prison and no one would ever hear from me!

BS!

They dont give a shit about you, you are meaningless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BUT

if you did something that made you a terrorist........THEN they would care

AS THEY SHOULD

So if they are terrorists, charge them, put them into a court with the evidence and if guilty then lock them up or you still have the death penalty.

 

[busybody..]

No

revealing all the evidence can and will give OTHERS the knowledge on how to prevent THEIR capture

compromise methods and operations

NO

!

 

[going_long]

No

revealing all the evidence can and will give OTHERS the knowledge on how to prevent THEIR capture

compromise methods and operations

NO

!

Oh come on... that's straw clutching if ever there was straw to clutch.

You've been arresting and jailing spies, and other "intelligence led" targets for ever. All through your judicial system. If it works for them why not terrorists. Are you saying your judges are all terrorists sleepers feeding information back?

Admit it. The reason you are holding these people is because you "think" they are terrorists. They "may be" terrorists but you don't have any evidence that they are. So you need new laws (or somewhere beyond the law) to hold them.

And, as has been posted above, once you hold people without without charge because you "think they may be against us". What protection is there for anybody?

 

[busybody..]

what happens in open court will be used by terrorists against

us

when "spies" are tried, the ripple effect is DEAD SYMPATHIZERS in other countries

you dont care about our welfare, I do!

 

[going_long]

Poppycock!

that's what I say to your argument.

If you have concrete evidence that a person is a terrorist then use it to put them away. Put the evidence in a court and let justice be done. There are provisions in law for using evidence obtained from intelligence that protect the sources. Why don't the government trust it's own justice sytem?

 

[busybody..]

and why are YOU so intent on goving the TERRORISTS the SAME rights as US citizens?

are POWS supposed to be TRIED in US courts?

BS!

I care more for me then I do for terrorists!

 

[going_long]

and why are YOU so intent on goving the TERRORISTS the SAME rights as US citizens?

"I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all".

are POWS supposed to be TRIED in US courts?

Are we talking about POW's or terrorists now?

I care more for me then I do for terrorists!

well what's to say that someday a liberal government won't come for you in the night and take away your freedom, with no thought of evidence or process because to them you're a righ-wing "terror"suspect?

 

[busybody..]

I assume the TERRORISTS Pledge to our flag?

JUSTICE?

Justice, yes. Suicide, NEVER! SURRENDER? NEVER!

 

[going_long]

I assume the TERRORISTS Pledge to our flag?

JUSTICE?

No.. but if that's what you, as a country, stand by, you have to either follow it through and mean it, or take it out.

 

[busybody..]

The US Constitution is NOT a sucide pact!

 

[phrodeau]

Busybody is not a Republican. He's a reactionary Nationalist.

 

[going_long]

The US Constitution is NOT a sucide pact!

It was robust enough to see you through a civil war, two world wars, Korea, Vietnam the Cold War et al.

 

[wazhazhe]

The US Constitution is NOT a sucide pact!

YES IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT ARE YOU, A TERRORIST???????????

 

[busybody..]

It was robust enough to see you through a civil war, two world wars, Korea, Vietnam the Cold War et al.

as it was during WWII and the INTERNMENT of JAPS

so that is why I dont fear ANYONE coming after me

Just the TERRORISTS!