Why Islam is disrespected

[Oliver Clozoff]

Oh, religious dogma doesn't have a monopoly on mass murder and mayhem. Read up on Communism. Then again, there is a great deal of Socialist/Communist belief that requires 'faith'.

I'll repost since you didn't seem to make it all the way through.

This danger of absolute belief isn't exclusive to religion, though. The last hundred years has seen a number of horribly violent political regimes based on absolutist secular political philosophies (Communist USSR, the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, Nazi Germany, Maoist China, etc.)

 

[Veryknowing]

It's almost as bad as citing insane anti-semitic tracts claiming Israeal is killing Aussies to steal their identities for perpetrating terrorist acts.

You're batty.

That report that Lovelynice cited is originally from the New Zealand Herald. It's not an "anti-semitic" tract as you called it, it's a report on an investigation into the criminal activities of a homicidal Mossad agent known as Zev Barkan who is now wanted by Interpol.

He's been spotted in North Korea too.

Very shady, very nasty guy.

You should be aware before you go mouthing off that Mossad agents have been caught out engaged in criminal activities involving passport fraud in New Zealand and Australia. The New Zealand PM, Helen Clark has been demanding an official apology from Israel for months about these criminal activities by Mossad agents in New Zealand.


'Mossad spies' jailed over New Zealand passport fraud

"The breach of New Zealand laws and sovereignty by agents of the Israeli government has seriously strained our relationship with Israel," said the prime minister, Helen Clark.

"This type of behaviour is unacceptable internationally by any country. It is a sorry indictment of Israel that it has again taken such actions against a country with which it has friendly relations."



LN isn't batty -

instead you're fucking stupid. Instant knee-jerk reaction and you prove you have no brains.

 

[Veryknowing]

The 100,000 figure isn't from the UN, it's from a "study" in The Lancet that has been discredited so thoroughly that ignorance of it can only be called willful. .

There are several different studies that have come up with that figure, the one from John Hopkins University which was reported in the Lancet is just one of those.

You haven't discredited it, and neither has anybody else - yet.

You're jumping the gun claiming it was discredited when it hasn't been. It has been questioned, it's controversial, but it hasn't been discredited and your ignorance of this can only be called willful.

 

[Ishmael]

Hi LT.

Shut up LT.

Woof

Ishmael

 

[Gringao]

That report that Lovelynice cited is originally from the New Zealand Herald. It's not an "anti-semitic" tract as you called it, it's a report on an investigation into the criminal activities of a homicidal Mossad agent known as Zev Barkan who is now wanted by Interpol.

He's been spotted in North Korea too.

Very shady, very nasty guy.

You should be aware before you go mouthing off that Mossad agents have been caught out engaged in criminal activities involving passport fraud in New Zealand and Australia. The New Zealand PM, Helen Clark has been demanding an official apology from Israel for months about these criminal activities by Mossad agents in New Zealand.


'Mossad spies' jailed over New Zealand passport fraud

"The breach of New Zealand laws and sovereignty by agents of the Israeli government has seriously strained our relationship with Israel," said the prime minister, Helen Clark.

"This type of behaviour is unacceptable internationally by any country. It is a sorry indictment of Israel that it has again taken such actions against a country with which it has friendly relations."



LN isn't batty -

instead you're fucking stupid. Instant knee-jerk reaction and you prove you have no brains.

Find the passage in the article you linked that supported the "killing Aussies" statement from the lunatic Indymedia. And please don't try to equate forging a passport with actually murdering people to steal their identities.

 

[Gringao]

There are several different studies that have come up with that figure, the one from John Hopkins University which was reported in the Lancet is just one of those.

You haven't discredited it, and neither has anybody else - yet.

You're jumping the gun claiming it was discredited when it hasn't been. It has been questioned, it's controversial, but it hasn't been discredited and your ignorance of this can only be called willful.

Oh, trust me, it's been pilloried and debunked several times over. I sit in anticipation of the other "studies" that have confirmed what the discredited "study" claimed to have proven (but did not).

 

[phrodeau]

What number of civilian casualties is considered acceptable?

There's blood on America's hands. You're arguing that it isn't much blood.

 

[Gringao]

What number of civilian casualties is considered acceptable?

There's blood on America's hands. You're arguing that it isn't much blood.

There was blood on our hands if we did nothing. It wasn't a choice between utopian inaction and catastrophic inaction. And if the number 100,000 isn't the point - sensational as it is false - why is it trumpted instead of, say, 10?

 

[phrodeau]

Do you honestly think Saddam was going to attack the US?

 

[Gringao]

Do you honestly think Saddam was going to attack the US?

No.

Read Kenneth Pollack's book. He didn't have to.

 

[Ishmael]

What number of civilian casualties is considered acceptable?

There's blood on America's hands. You're arguing that it isn't much blood.

What is the acceptable number? As many as it takes to win of course. 1 million, 10 million, makes NO difference. You're question is among the lamest in the world when it comes to war.

Ishmael

 

[crystalhunting]

Look back some houndreds of years. Christians sloughtered more people than anyone else. Crusades, Witch-burning, Inquisition...

Yes..the inheritors of Isa's message{Peace be upon him} have killed many,as have the followers of Ahura Mazda and Zoraster{Peace be upon him},as well as Hindus killing Muslims and vise-versa,Frankly...I can't think of any religion or spiritual path of past and some present that hasn't comitted some violence in the name of their concept of God.


But i thought this thread was about intent...not a headcount.


Prioritize Habibbi.




CH

 

[Ishmael]

Yes..the inheritors of Isa's message{Peace be upon him} have killed many,as have the followers of Ahura Mazda and Zoraster{Peace be upon him},as well as Hindus killing Muslims and vise-versa,Frankly...I can't think of any religion or spiritual path of past and some present that hasn't comitted some violence in the name of their concept of God.


But i thought this thread was about intent...not a headcount.


Prioritize Habibbi.




CH

Good morning CH.

Ishmael

 

[woody54]

What is the acceptable number? As many as it takes to win of course. 1 million, 10 million, makes NO difference. You're question is among the lamest in the world when it comes to war.

Ishmael

The hole in your theory is that the president declared the war over a long time ago if you recall.
The US is now in the second post war year of spreading western democratisation and freedom at the point of a gun... which is not war, it is colonial carpetbagging.

They will wear your sorry ass down too and you will eventually leave without creating a western paradise, but plenty of graves.

I see even the President of Kabul wants his town back now.

 

[Ishmael]

The hole in your theory is that the president declared the war over a long time ago if you recall.
The US is now in the second post war year of spreading western democratisation and freedom at the point of a gun... which is not war, it is colonial carpetbagging.

They will wear your sorry ass down too and you will eventually leave without creating a western paradise, but plenty of graves.

I see even the President of Kabul wants his town back now.

Please post the precise quote where the war was declared over. Until you can provide that precise quote you will be considered to be a bag of shit.

Ishmael

 

[crystalhunting]

Linux it does actually specifically state that christians and jews believe in the same god as muslims in the qur'an, as you said, brothers of the book/people of the book or more specifically ahl al Kitâb.

Here is probably what you're looking for.

And do not dispute with the followers of the Book except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him do we submit.(Qur'an 29:46)

The differences are obviously the prophets that they believe in, muslims believe Mohammad is the last prophet, as Jesus once stated there would be one more after him... and obviously I needn't go into what the jews think of Jesus and thus Mohammad... be interesting to find out if any of them who don't believe in Jesus do believe that Mohammad was the messiah... who knows! I doubt there are any of them about...

Muslims call Jesus, Isa... it is actually entirely possible that when Jesus was around his name was actually pronounced Isa (the i should be pronounced as an e). There is a group of muslims who have a slightly different view on events after jesus's "death" and actually believe they're descendents of him and one of the lost tribes of Israel.

I think we can safely say Allah is the same God as God... it is after all simply the same word in a different language.

Very good,I must say I am impressed.


Some variations of Islam believe in a future Pbuh{prophet} to come...referred to as Al-Madi.{may peace be upon him}


According to Hadith traditions...there were some Hebrew tribes around Hejaz in the time of the Pbuh who supported him initially then was against him after a time.



CH

 

[crystalhunting]

Good morning CH.

Ishmael

Morning Habibbi{friend}



Believe it or not...I havent gone to bed yet.


I'm still going through this thread and considering replies.



CH

 

[woody54]

No.

Read Kenneth Pollack's book. He didn't have to.

Kenneth Pollack's views have been rather "flexible" over the last 5 years depending on current attitudes and intelligence.

Why use him as a standard?

 

[crystalhunting]

The violent population which follows some form of Islam is a small percentage of the 1 Billion or so which follow the religion. These "few" get to color the religion in the blood red most of us see day in and day out. The sad part to this is where are the majority of Islamic followers who are peaceful? Why won't they speak up? Why don't they deal with the violent sects of their religion? Is it apathy or repression?

Quite a bit of us DO SPEAK UP,alas its not considered newsworthy,in certain parts of the middle east and north africa....there is a real fear in many communities to speak up...because of the violent ones...in other countries...any deviation from the country line...can mean death or imprisonment not just for the individual but his WHOLE FAMILY...In others....the common man is forbidden from interpreting the Holy Quran for fear of retaliation.


lets face it...most countries of the Middle east are dictatorships,some extreme,some so-so.


its very complicated.


CH

 

[woody54]

Please post the precise quote where the war was declared over. Until you can provide that precise quote you will be considered to be a bag of shit.

Ishmael

He shot his mouth off about the end of hostilities as you well know, nitpicker.

 

[Ishmael]

Morning Habibbi{friend}



Believe it or not...I havent gone to bed yet.


I'm still going through this thread and considering replies.



CH

There's some good fodder in here along with the nonsense.

The same trend manifests itself my friend. They argue your religion from the basis of their own. I don't see how that is possible without at least making the attempt to learn of your religion.

Ishmael

 

[Ishmael]

He shot his mouth off about the end of hostilities as you well know, nitpicker.

Translation: Woody has NO quote.

Suprise, suprise.

Ishmael

 

[Veryknowing]

Find the passage in the article you linked that supported the "killing Aussies" statement from the lunatic Indymedia. And please don't try to equate forging a passport with actually murdering people to steal their identities.

There isn't one. It's a different article. The point of post of posting it was that what you said about Lovelynice's post being from an "anti-semitic tract" is that despite your claim about the matter, it was not from an anti-semitic tract but from a criminal investigation.

The report in the New Zealand Herald which Lovelynice linked to a copy of, mentioned the murders. I was merely pointing out that there was in fact a real criminal investigation, and it has since been stated offcially by the New Zealand government based on their military intelligence that Zev Narkan really is working for Mossad in spite of the Israeli government's repeated denials and attempts at cover up.

The investigation has now gone much further than that, and other Mossad agents have been arrested in relation to similar criminal activities in both Australia and New Zealand.

Now, as to your use of the term "anti-semitic", I have to point out that you are misusing it, as the Israeli government DOES NOT represent every Jewish person in the world, criticizing the actions and policies of the Israeli GOVERNMENT (or any of it's administrative branches) has nothing whatsoever to do with criticizing Jews. There was NOTHING in the article that Lovelynice posted that even mentioned JEWS; it only referred to a criminal investigation into the actions of a homicidal Mossad agent known as Zev Barkan.

 

[Veryknowing]

Translation: Woody has NO quote.

Suprise, suprise.

Ishmael

I'm sure he can find one soon enough.

You also know quite well that President GW Bush really did declare the end of major combat operations in Iraq and then later on declared the war was over in another one of his "jumping-the-gun" acts of idiocy.

 

[crystalhunting]

The violent population which follows some form of Islam is a small percentage of the 1 Billion or so which follow the religion. These "few" get to color the religion in the blood red most of us see day in and day out. The sad part to this is where are the majority of Islamic followers who are peaceful? Why won't they speak up? Why don't they deal with the violent sects of their religion? Is it apathy or repression?

Here is some examples;

CH


http://www.islam-online.net/English/News/2001-09/13/article18.shtml


http://www.islam-online.net/English/News/2001-09/13/article25.shtml


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1690624.stm


http://www.understanding-islam.com/related/text.asp?type=question&qid=1007

http://www.mediamonitors.net/ikramsehgal37.html