Why Islam is disrespected

[Weenieschnitzel]

I think you're being confused by wartime propaganda. Hirohito was only a figurehead. This is how the Imperial Household (called the Kunaicho) operates, and has operated for centuries in regards to the Imperial Family and their line;

The oppinions of the Emperor are not allowed to be mentioned to anyone, he's not supposed to have any oppinion about anything. He's merely there and is beyond all material matters, being too sacred to bother with such things. Anyone who says something like "The Emperor said this" is immediately reprimanded very severely and gagged. The Imperial Household has always controlled the Emperors, and everything in their daily lives is restricted. It has been like this for centuries, aand it is doubtful that even after the Meiji Restoration and the constitution that *on paper* made the Emperor as "supreme ruler", that any of the Emperors had any real power of their own despite what so many outsiders seem to think or were told.

Japanese people know all this as general knowledge, but in the USA, UK, and Australia, the power of the Japanese emperors was misrepresented by wartime propaganda. That wartime propaganda has been distorting the perception of the Japanese emperors in the West for decades since. They aren't like the royal family of England, and they don't have real power. It's most likely that when Hirohito made the announcement of Japan's surrender, it had to be with authorisation from the Kunaicho (the Imperial Household).

Very interesting. Thank you.

I can imagine, that this description is not very useful for any propaganda purposes.

And propaganda is required to keep the nation quiet (Saddams ABC-weapons for example).

btw: good morning to our readers of the NSA.

 

[Ishmael]

I think you're being confused by wartime propaganda. Hirohito was only a figurehead. This is how the Imperial Household (called the Kunaicho) operates, and has operated for centuries in regards to the Imperial Family and their line;

The oppinions of the Emperor are not allowed to be mentioned to anyone, he's not supposed to have any oppinion about anything. He's merely there and is beyond all material matters, being too sacred to bother with such things. Anyone who says something like "The Emperor said this" is immediately reprimanded very severely and gagged. The Imperial Household has always controlled the Emperors, and everything in their daily lives is restricted. It has been like this for centuries, aand it is doubtful that even after the Meiji Restoration and the constitution that *on paper* made the Emperor as "supreme ruler", that any of the Emperors had any real power of their own despite what so many outsiders seem to think or were told.

Japanese people know all this as general knowledge, but in the USA, UK, and Australia, the power of the Japanese emperors was misrepresented by wartime propaganda. That wartime propaganda has been distorting the perception of the Japanese emperors in the West for decades since. They aren't like the royal family of England, and they don't have real power. It's most likely that when Hirohito made the announcement of Japan's surrender, it had to be with authorisation from the Kunaicho (the Imperial Household).

You continually post this ad nauseum. Like words spoken in ritual or to ward off evil.

But I've asked you before and will continue asking until I get and answer. "If the Emporer was so weak, how was he able to bring the war to an end with a simple radio address?"

The population of Japan at the end of the war was approx. 75 million and depending on the source they had only suffered 300 - 600 thousand civilian casualties. (The term 'only' is not used to deminish those deaths, merely to offer the contrast to German civilian casualties estimated to be 9 million!!!!) Japan's population was largely untouched by the war.

We had the experience of Okinawa were every inch of ground was fought over and the civilian population so propagandized that those that did not fight the Americans threw themselves off of cliffs to avoid capture by the Americans. We had the experience of Europe where the Nazis fought to the last child they could convince to pick up a rifle. (Remember the 9 million civilian casualties already mentioned?)

We knew there were over 500 thousand Japanese combat troops in mainland China (China, remember China?) that would have to be reduced.

In a very real sense Japan faired better for our having dropped those bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Ishmael

 

[Lovelynice]

You continually post this ad nauseum. Like words spoken in ritual or to ward off evil.

But I've asked you before and will continue asking until I get and answer. "If the Emporer was so weak, how was he able to bring the war to an end with a simple radio address?"

The population of Japan at the end of the war was approx. 75 million and depending on the source they had only suffered 300 - 600 thousand civilian casualties. (The term 'only' is not used to deminish those deaths, merely to offer the contrast to German civilian casualties estimated to be 9 million!!!!) Japan's population was largely untouched by the war.

We had the experience of Okinawa were every inch of ground was fought over and the civilian population so propagandized that those that did not fight the Americans threw themselves off of cliffs to avoid capture by the Americans. We had the experience of Europe where the Nazis fought to the last child they could convince to pick up a rifle. (Remember the 9 million civilian casualties already mentioned?)

We knew there were over 500 thousand Japanese combat troops in mainland China (China, remember China?) that would have to be reduced.

In a very real sense Japan faired better for our having dropped those bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Ishmael

You keep posting the same excuses all the time, but the facts don't back you up.

Even IF the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were valid military targets (which they most certainly were NOT), the dropping of nuclear bombs on them was an act of genocide that had nothing do with shortening the Pacific War. The war could've been ended at least 2-3 weeks before, and the excuse that bombing two cities full of civilians falls flat on it's face.

Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower, years later, declared that there was no need to attack Japan with "that awful thing,"

Admiral William Leahy, President Truman's wartime chief of staff, who chaired the Joint Chiefs, said "the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender ... in being the first to use it, we adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages."

You've also got your numbers of casualties WAY WRONG for the number of victims on the Japanese side. Almost every Japanese city was heavily bombed except Hiroshima and Nagasaki and Kyoto. The Great Tokyo Fire alone resulted in between 350,000-600,000 dead; whole families burned alive, and boiled to death in the rivers when they sought to escape the searing heat.

 

[Weenieschnitzel]

In a very real sense Japan faired better for our having dropped those bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Ishmael

interesting: and 9/11 was the same for US. Gives USA good opportunities for so called self-defense.

Ishamel, I think you should start a carreer as politican in US. I would like to suggest TX.

 

[*******]

Yo, Ish, I can answer your question and you won't like the answer.

You have seen "Last Samurai" haven't you?

They's a lot of truth in that ficticious Hollywood production for a change...

 

[Ishmael]

interesting: and 9/11 was the same for US. Gives USA good opportunities for so called self-defense.

Oh really? Don't you think you'd get a little more traction by comparing 9-11 to Pearl Harbor rather than Hiroshima?

Just askin'.

Ishmael

 

[*******]

He was like "the Grand Dad" in Kurosawa's "Seven Samurai." You never saw him until the villagers could not decide upon a course of action. Then, when they went to him, whatever he said was what they did.

Verstehen Sie?

 

[*******]

Oh really? Don't you think you'd get a little more traction by comparing 9-11 to Pearl Harbor rather than Hiroshima?

Just askin'.

Ishmael

He'd gain more traction if he used the condoms with the snow studs on them...

 

[Weenieschnitzel]

Oh really? Don't you think you'd get a little more traction by comparing 9-11 to Pearl Harbor rather than Hiroshima?

Just askin'.

Ishmael

I agree, but this kind of body counting helps noone. Its now a question of minutes before one nerd pulls out something about WW2 and germans.

 

[*******]

Very interesting. Thank you.

I can imagine, that this description is not very useful for any propaganda purposes.

And propaganda is required to keep the nation quiet (Saddams ABC-weapons for example).

btw: good morning to our readers of the NSA.

The only people who said Saddam had WMD's are also the ones who introduced the bill to start up the draft in the House of Representatives and they only said it after he achieved the victory they said we could never achieve. Don Quixote stuff, you know, "To dream, the impossible dream...."

It's also about the time they started the body-counting and the demands to see the coffins.

If you think Ahm wrong, just link me to the quote where Bush said "Saddam has WMD's."

 

[Ishmael]

Yo, Ish, I can answer your question and you won't like the answer.

You have seen "Last Samurai" haven't you?

They's a lot of truth in that ficticious Hollywood production for a change...

No, I haven't seen it. Not in it's entirety.

However I assume you're speaking in terms of the Emporers power.

Ishmael

 

[Weenieschnitzel]

The only people who said Saddam had WMD's are also the ones who introduced the bill to start up the draft in the House of Representatives and they only said it after he achieved the victory they said we could never achieve. Don Quixote stuff, you know, "To dream, the impossible dream...."

It's also about the time they started the body-counting and the demands to see the coffins.

If you think Ahm wrong, just link me to the quote where Bush said "Saddam has WMD's."

last information I got from a friend in Lit was a link to the Patriot Act. Let me still shiver.

 

[*******]

What harm has the Patriot Act done to any citizen, specific examples please?

What harm have the radical Islamic Jihadists done on our shores since its enactment?

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Yeah, Ish, he has powers, like the ideal of the individual has powers to inspire, boy, this is a tough nut to crack, they are SUCH a different culture...

If he wields the power, he's human and not the nobility we should all aspire to be and emulate. It's the ultimate goal of "The Prince."

In times of National turmoil, he becomes the steady parent we can all turn to for guidence as we pass through our childhood. That is his real power.

I mucked that up, I blaim stupidity. That can't be corrected...

 

[*******]

He's a bit of the "Shrine of the Ancestors" that you see in every proper Dojo...

Damn! I still can't capture it. Fucktard!

 

[Ishmael]

What harm has the Patriot Act done to any citizen, specific examples please?

What harm have the radical Islamic Jihadists done on our shores since its enactment?

...

Yeah, Ish, he has powers, like the ideal of the individual has powers to inspire, boy, this is a tough nut to crack, they are SUCH a different culture...

If he wields the power, he's human and not the nobility we should all aspire to be and emulate. It's the ultimate goal of "The Prince."

In times of National turmoil, he becomes the steady parent we can all turn to for guidence as we pass through our childhood. That is his real power.

I mucked that up, I blaim stupidity. That can't be corrected...

OK we agree virtually 100%. Living Gods are impervious to mistakes. If the God never 'actively' engages in policy or governance, the God's infalability remains unsullied.

But who has the power when the Living God speaks? From Hirohito's grandfather to himself (his father was sickly and mentally deranged) at any point in the Japanese era of conquest the Emporer could have put an end to it.

The very fact that Hirohito was aware of the progress of the war and the atomic bomb attacks at Hiroshima and Nagasaki flies in the face of those that argue he was "totally isolated."

Ishmael

 

[*******]

Oh yeah, part of that power IS knowing everything and still not being concerned with it.

He never would have made that address if the military had not come to him, admitted their failure, and offered to end their lives. He never, ever would come to them, as we see, it would be beneath his dignity, but he would know for a fact what time of day each of his generals preferred to shit in.

That's just they way they did things.

And God spoke...

The REAL shit will hit the fan when the time comes for the Princess to be the Emporer!

 

[Ishmael]

The REAL shit will hit the fan when the time comes for the Princess to be the Emporer!

Thus ends the Meiji dynasty.

Ishmael

 

[Weenieschnitzel]

What harm has the Patriot Act done to any citizen, specific examples please?

I am sure you have no problem that the Patriot Act is no damage to a country which tells everyone "defender of democrazy"..

 

[sigh]

Winners tend to write history and they tend to believe that their winning justifies their positions (as if God had granted them victory because of moral superiority). America has been a huge winner in its history and tends to assume that this is because the superiority of its values and its behaviors. It asks for apologies all around. (It's almost as if many of us are saying "You Japanese should be grateful we dropped the for the atomic bomb on you! After all, we got rid of your tyrants, rebuilt your economy, gave you true democracy..."). We have big moral blindspots, obviously.

Oliver, I find it rather ironic that just two pages after you wrote this, Ishmael wrote the following. Rather astonishing, isn't it? "Big moral blindspots" doesn't begin to cover it.

In a very real sense Japan faired better for our having dropped those bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Ishmael

 

[sigh]

Very good educated post, sigh.

Why thank you (though I don't think anyone else noticed ).

 

[Gringao]

Even IF the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were valid military targets (which they most certainly were NOT), the dropping of nuclear bombs on them was an act of genocide that had nothing do with shortening the Pacific War. The war could've been ended at least 2-3 weeks before, and the excuse that bombing two cities full of civilians falls flat on it's face.

Indeed, had the Japanese surrendered unconditionally prior to that, it would have been totally unnecessary. They did not, so it happened. Then they rethought the wisdom of fighting on, and surrendered according to the demands of the victors.

 

[Gringao]

Why thank you (though I don't think anyone else noticed ).

I noticed that it was utterly irrelevant to the discussion.

 

[miles]

I am sure you have no problem that the Patriot Act is no damage to a country which tells everyone "defender of democrazy"..

Why don't you answer his question?

 

[sigh]

I noticed that it was utterly irrelevant to the discussion.

Actually it was in direct response to a comment AJ made regarding Islam. That's what this thread is about, right?

Maybe it wasn't relevant to your discussion, but then you're not the center of my universe, are you?

 

[landslider]

Gosh darn those terrible Americans.

Bless the noble souls -- the stainless, perfect people -- who live elsewhere.