Why have Republicans stopped bragging about the stock market?

[Pookie]

We don't need no education bro.

Stew

Call the schoolmaster, cuz bro!

 

[RoryN]

Goldman Sachs predicts 2.25 million Americans filed initial unemployment claims this week, the highest on record

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/economy/unemployment-benefits-goldman-sachs/index.html

 

[coati]

Did we ever get the emails bro?

Stew

Russia, are you out there listening, Bro? If so, find those missing emails, so we can lock her up.

 

[Pookie]

19,957.79 −129.40 (0.64%) Mar 20, 12:46 PM EDT

Dow lost 400 points with news of New York lockdown

 

[RoryN]

Down 650...

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Russia, are you out there listening, Bro? If so, find those missing emails, so we can lock her up.

And the Pee Tape! Don't forget about the fuckin' PEE TAPE!!!

 

[RoryN]

"Rally" goes kaput - down over 900 points.

 

[Dribble]

Goldman Sachs predicts 2.25 million Americans filed initial unemployment claims this week, the highest on record

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/economy/unemployment-benefits-goldman-sachs/index.html

And guess who is asking the States not to release their claim numbers?

 

[jomar]

What craptastic response?

What would you have him do different?

For a start not shutting down the nsc pandemic preparedness program in 2018 and not slashing funds from the cdc that led to them having to shift money away from pandemic/infectious disease programs to more immediately pressing programs.

And taking it more seriously from the start as he watched it spread instead of denying it was a thing, saying it would simply go away and basically losing six weeks of lead time to get out in front of it, until the governors ended up having to step up because they weren't getting guidance and leadership from trump and his admin.

 

[Botanical11B]

For a start not shutting down the nsc pandemic preparedness program in 2018 and not slashing funds from the cdc that led to them having to shift money away from pandemic/infectious disease programs to more immediately pressing programs.

Fair....but that has nothing to do with his response.

And taking it more seriously than from the start as he watched it spread instead of denying it was a thing, saying it would simply go away and basically losing six weeks of lead time to get out in front of it,

What is "taking it more seriously" though.....I hear that a lot, but never much about what that actually means.

Remember now, any attempt to shut down travel is Racist Nazism trying to murder non-whites because Orange HItler BAD!!!

Also, if he had issued any warning he would a fear mongering panic peddler trying to crash the markets for his own benefits.

until the governors ended up having to step up because they weren't getting guidance and leadership from trump and his admin.

Contrary to popular (D) belief that the USA is a unitary state it's not. We are a union of 50 states, each with their own autonomous rights to do the vast majority of the governing within their own borders.

States can and should be doing their own things, they have that right and they need to exercise it.

Same with a lot of the other shit that has no business being federal...like HC.

It's not Trumps job to do the governors jobs for them.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Anybody stupid enough to think that Trump "took the pandemic seriously" should look at this video.

Trump basically mocked the virus for six weeks, pivoted to he "knew it was a pandemic" for two days, and is now lashing out at perceived criticism.

Back on topic: Dow Jones closed below 20,000 today. Timmeh reportedly disconsolate.

 

[jomar]

Fair....but that has nothing to do with his response.

No, but we’d have been far better prepared.

What is "taking it more seriously" though.....I hear that a lot, but never much about what that actually means.

He spent precious weeks saying basically nothing to see here, move along. When instead he could have reassured citizens and the markets by saying he was taking it seriously and marshaling forces to have things in place to minimize the impact and spread and to maximize detection and treatment...

Remember now, any attempt to shut down travel is Racist Nazism trying to murder non-whites because Orange HItler BAD!!!

Yeah, depends if winter is coming or not.

Also, if he had issued any warning he would a fear mongering panic peddler trying to crash the markets for his own benefits.

Not if he reassured citizens and the markets...see above. Instead of saying it’s nothing then boom, he might have been able to have a mitigating influence on what some are calling the trump correction.

Contrary to popular (D) belief that the USA is a unitary state it's not. We are a union of 50 states, each with their own autonomous rights to do the vast majority of the governing within their own borders.

States can and should be doing their own things, they have that right and they need to exercise it. It's not Trumps job to do the governors jobs for them.

Sure, doesn’t change the fact that in national crises states look to Washington for some direction and leadership.

Same with a lot of the other shit that has no business being federal...like HC.

70% of Americans disagree with you.

 

[jomar]

Anybody stupid enough to think that Trump "took the pandemic seriously" should look at this video...

Trump basically mocked the virus for six weeks, pivoted to he "knew it was a pandemic" for two days, and is now lashing out at perceived criticism.

...

Yeah, he didn’t even realize what a stupid comment saying he knew it was a pandemic early on because he was trying to make himself look smart. I wish one of the reporters asked the obvious question.

 

[Botanical11B]

No, but we’d have been far better prepared.

IDK about far better, but maybe??

He spent precious weeks saying basically nothing to see here, move along.

When instead he could have reassured citizens and the markets by saying he was taking it seriously


Not if he reassured citizens and the markets...see above.

Yes, he could have.....and risked a total freak out.

Look at how people responded to the soft model, got people attacking each other for ass wipe.

Instead of saying it’s nothing then boom, he might have been able to have a mitigating influence on what some are calling the trump correction.

Only the TDS afflicted, and there is nothing he could do to mitigate the economy grinding to a halt due to a pandemic.

That's as insane as the "Bush sent Katrina because he hates black people!" morons.

Sure, doesn’t change the fact that in national crises states look to Washington for some direction and leadership.

States should elect more competent leaders then.

70% of Americans disagree with you.

Maybe...there is probably not any polls on that. But I'd bet 99.9999% of them couldn't make an argument for a 1 size fits all 50 states federal HC system that nobody is going to like instead of each state getting exactly the kind of HC the people in that state want.

And that's why most of them don't have a public HC system and won't have one until they do it for themselves.

No reason they can't...other than their total lack of faith in their ideals.

 

[Dribble]

The market is failing because the leader is a failure

Here is his response to a legitimate question.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics...sage-to-americans-coronavirus-presser-vpx.cnn

 

[Hugh_Essay]

Orange man can do no wrong TDS is strong in him.

 

[Botanical11B]

The market is failing because the leader is a failure

Dribble is pretending there isn't a pandemic now.

 

[jomar]

IDK about far better, but maybe??

Having test kits, ventilators, masks and other supplies at the ready? I’d say definitely.

Yes, he could have.....and risked a total freak out.

Look at how people responded to the soft model, got people attacking each other for ass wipe.

Yeah, because they saw the red spread growing fast while trump was gaslighting them that it was nothing and if it was he had it under control. He should have come out and said this is serious, we’re on it, don’t panic...people might have been skeptical because he has a poor relationship with truth, but could have been calming, then again people freak out when a snowflake falls.

Only the TDS afflicted, and there is nothing he could do to mitigate the economy grinding to a halt due to a pandemic.

That's as insane as the "Bush sent Katrina because he hates black people!" morons.

The issue was possibly slowing the market free fall. Underlying economy is basically sound, but will take a hit.

LOL, I dunno, you’re doing a good job trumpy!

States should elect more competent leaders then.

That’s not even the point.

Maybe...there is probably not any polls on that. But I'd bet 99.9999% of them couldn't make an argument for a 1 size fits all 50 states federal HC system that nobody is going to like instead of each state getting exactly the kind of HC the people in that state want.

And that's why most of them don't have a public HC system and won't have one until they do it for themselves.

No reason they can't...other than their total lack of faith in their ideals.

Sure there are polls, all you have to do is google. Do it right and people will be fine. Might even be a hybrid Medicare for all with some private stuff. Other countries do it fine. Fact is, most people do want it. That you don’t is your opinion, which is fine.

 

[jomar]

The market is failing because the leader is a failure

Here is his response to a legitimate question.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics...sage-to-americans-coronavirus-presser-vpx.cnn

That was pretty fucked up. Says a lot that he missed that opportunity.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The market is failing because the leader is a failure

Here is his response to a legitimate question.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics...sage-to-americans-coronavirus-presser-vpx.cnn

Trump is unravelling fast.

 

[Botanical11B]

The issue was possibly slowing the market free fall.

Not happening. Fear and greed are in charge right now.

That’s not even the point.

But it is.

Sure there are polls, all you have to do is google. Do it right and people will be fine. Might even be a hybrid Medicare for all with some private stuff.

All I found was that they want a HC system...nothing as to 70% agreeing to a particular type or that 70% prefer a federal 1 size fits all.

Other countries do it fine.

Yup...and nearly every one of them has a smaller, poorer, less diverse and less divided about how to do things population than any one of our 4 largest (by population/GDP) states.

Fact is, most people do want it.

Most people want a public HC system.. yes.

Almost no two states can agree on how to do that.

Not even within the DNC....which ranges from Stalin Care to Romney Care.

That you don’t is your opinion, which is fine.

I do support public HC, I don't support eliminating private HC services and a totalitarian state takeover of the HC industry (like progressives want) Soviet Care to do it.

Nor do I support a federal level plan....because it's not going to work, a lot of the states don't want it.

So it's up to the states that do to make something for themselves, not neglect their citizens until they can shove it down 30 something states throats.

If the people of Wyoming want "Fuck You Pay Me Care" they should have it........

If California wants to effectively take over the industry and eliminate private HC services, tax their residents 98% to provide HC to anyone who shows up with their hands out rapidly bankrupting their state??

They should have that too.

There is no good reason to force a 1 size fits all program.

 

[jomar]

Not happening. Fear and greed are in charge right now.

We'll never know because he didn't do it.

But it is.

It's not. There are plenty of good governors who stepped up. Doesn't mean in a national crisis they don't look to Washington for leadership and direction.

All I found was that they want a HC system...nothing as to 70% agreeing to a particular type or that 70% prefer a federal 1 size fits all.

I never claimed specifics, but 70% want universal HC.

Yup...and nearly every one of them has a smaller, poorer, less diverse and less divided about how to do things population than any one of our 4 largest (by population/GDP) states.

Doesn't mean we can't pull it off.

Most people want a public HC system.. yes.

Almost no two states can agree on how to do that.

Not even within the DNC....which ranges from Stalin Care to Romney Care.

Yes, a lot to work out.

I do support public HC, I don't support eliminating private HC services and a totalitarian state takeover of the HC industry (like progressives want) Soviet Care to do it.

Nor do I support a federal level plan....because it's not going to work, a lot of the states don't want it.

So it's up to the states that do to make something for themselves, not neglect their citizens until they can shove it down 30 something states throats.

If the people of Wyoming want "Fuck You Pay Me Care" they should have it........

If California wants to effectively take over the industry and eliminate private HC services, tax their residents 98% to provide HC to anyone who shows up with their hands out rapidly bankrupting their state??

They should have that too.

There is no good reason to force a 1 size fits all program.

I don't know at all if it's the states that are against it, just a lot of unanswered questions and moving parts to address...private insurance is, no doubt. When it's all said and done the average person probably doesn't care how the system is set up as long as they can get quality health care in a reasonably timely manner...under the current system you have to wait weeks sometimes for a visit with your pcp for routine visits.

But like I said, yes, lots to work out.

 

[Botanical11B]

I never claimed specifics, but 70% want universal HC.

Without specifics "universal HC" is a largely meaningless term.

Doesn't mean we can't pull it off.

No but the last 50+ years not going anywhere with a 1 size fits all plan is pretty solid evidence that it's probably not going to and should maybe consider other options.

I don't know at all if it's the states that are against it,

Voting records over the last few decades make it pretty clear....there are quite a few states that simply don't want it.

Montana, Idaho, Kansas, Utah, Tuckey, Oklahoma for sure and several other low population "deplorable dumbfuckistan fly over hellscapes" are very much in favor of more liberal health care systems.

When it's all said and done the average person probably doesn't care how the system is set up as long as they can get quality health care in a reasonably timely manner.

No doubt, but the partisan lemmings don't matter.....It's the people who do care about the deets who will switch sides because and or stay home because of policy details that almost ALWAYS get the final say so in the matter.

under the current system you have to wait weeks sometimes for a visit with your pcp for routine visits.

That's your PCP's problem, not the system.

And routine visits so what? It's not like there is any sort of pressing need in that case.

Under the current system I can pay a doctor to cure my moms cancer and he makes it happen.

Try that shit in N. Korea or Cuba and let me know how that goes.

But like I said, yes, lots to work out.

Yes...and it would be much easier to do at the state level. Especially in states that are super lopsided in favor of it. Everyone gets what they want, everyone wins but for some reason the left can't stand that idea....I'm not sure I'll ever understand their authoritarian desire to force everyone into their way of thinking/doing things instead of just doing it for themselves.

 

[jomar]

LOL, where'd your cuck governor comment go? I assume you better understood what I was saying so removed it.

Without specifics "universal HC" is a largely meaningless term.

Got to start somewhere.

No but the last 50+ years not going anywhere with a 1 size fits all plan is pretty solid evidence that it's probably not going to and should maybe consider other options.

Doesn't have to be one size fits all. There can be hybrid systems under which all citizens have healthcare.

Voting records over the last few decades make it pretty clear....there are quite a few states that simply don't want it.

Montana, Idaho, Kansas, Utah, Tuckey, Oklahoma for sure and several other low population "deplorable dumbfuckistan fly over hellscapes" are very much in favor of more liberal health care systems.

Yep, we as a country would have do decide that healthcare for all is the only humane thing to do for all its citizens as a major industrialized country, one of the richest in the world, instead of allowing 28 million citizens to go uninsured.

No doubt, but the partisan lemmings don't matter.....It's the people who do care about the deets who will switch sides because and or stay home because of policy details that almost ALWAYS get the final say so in the matter.

Citizens are partisan lemmings, huh. Again, we'd have to decide healthcare coverage for all is a health right, not a political game. Once that's done the deets can get hammered out. I do get that there are government belief systems involved.

That's your PCP's problem, not the system.

And routine visits so what? It's not like there is any sort of pressing need in that case.

You missed the point. One of the arguments against universal HC is the long wait times. We wait under the current system.

Under the current system I can pay a doctor to cure my moms cancer and he makes it happen.

You probably wouldn't have to pay or pay much under a UHC system to get the same care.

Try that shit in N. Korea or Cuba and let me know how that goes.

LOL, that's your comparison?

Yes...and it would be much easier to do at the state level. Especially in states that are super lopsided in favor of it. Everyone gets what they want, everyone wins but for some reason the left can't stand that idea....I'm not sure I'll ever understand their authoritarian desire to force everyone into their way of thinking/doing things instead of just doing it for themselves.

What's wrong with coming together as a nation to decide it's the right thing to do to take care of all citizens healthcare? That's not happening under the current system and we are pretty much the only first world nation without UHC of some sort.

It's not just the left. In 2018 a hair under 50% of the right also support UHC, and maybe over 50% depending on the margin of error in a 2018 Reuters survey I saw. Though a 10/19 CBS poll reported 61% of Repubs don't want a govt run universal HC, but that's a specifically targeted question rather than the broader one Reuters probably asked...and, I know.

 

[RoryN]

Dow Jones Futures 'Limit Down,' As U.S. Coronavirus Cases Top 32,000; New York Cases Surge Above 15,000

Dow Jones futures plunged in Sunday evening's trading session, along with S&P 500 futures and Nasdaq futures, triggering the "limit down" rule after Congress failed to reach a deal on a $2 trillion stimulus package. Global coronavirus cases topped 335,000, while U.S. cases jumped above 32,000 with over 15,000 in New York state alone, as the coronavirus stock market correction continues. Dow Jones stock Apple (AAPL) hit new correction lows Friday.

https://www.investors.com/market-tr...onavirus-news-stock-market-crash-apple-stock/