Why Has the Quality of Submissions to Literotica Plummeted so Dramatically?

[Hypoxia]

The "golden age" of any literature is 14. That is, what you read when you're 14 is what you'll hold as a gold standard for the rest of your life. It's all downhill from there; everything gets worse. Damn, Nick Fury is lousy since Steranko!

It's literary entropy. Inevitable. Might as well drown yourself now.

 

[MelissaBaby]

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[SimonDoom]

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That sums it up nicely.

 

[Pocketshaver]

there is a lot of shit on here. is it as bad as other sites? yes and no.

Some topics DONT exist here, some of those topics not existing here is bad. Other topics, subjects, genres actually should exist here.

Mainly because we don't officially condone those types of stories, but allow them in others.

We may not allow snuff stories, ie a story just about the killing. But ALWAYS allow the vampire or were wolf story filled with massive amounts of murder and mayhem just for that fun aspect of life.
No NEED to have a 1,000 word description of a fight between two werewolves dissembowling and eating another were critter alive,,, but as part of a were wolf story its fun and fine.

But not as a stand alone 1 page story.

Rape and incest, and underage sex is a no no. But writers on here such as MyyGypsy with the story
https://www.literotica.com/s/to-love-a-stray-ch-17?page=3

have been allowed to write full length novels that feature a 10-13 year old girl getting gang raped repeatedly by a pack of were wolves "looking for breeding" stock to flourish. And the story itself is nothing but a constant "bad event" that gives the writer a chance to rehash yet again another aspect of a rape.

With a story like MyGypsy writes, one must wonder that a female were, of any species, is nothing more then MEANT/BORN to be raped.

Perhaps that's what we should actively look at with this sort of topic.

We disallow certain types of stories ON ITS OWN MERITS, like say a 2 page story of some pervert reminiscing over how they raped someone or burnt someone to death with a camp stove.....

but make it part of a bigger STORY,,,,, then its fucking fine.

 

[redzinger]

Not directly quality related, but can anyone quantify the number of submissions made, say, ten years ago compared to nowadays?
I supposed looking at the number of contest entrants could give some kind of guide?

 

[ttvttp]

Not directly quality related, but can anyone quantify the number of submissions made, say, ten years ago compared to nowadays?
I supposed looking at the number of contest entrants could give some kind of guide?

Are you asking how many submissions each day/week?

 

[redzinger]

Are you asking how many submissions each day/week?

Yeah. If numbers have gone up or down over the years.
A while ago, I tracked a small decrease in contest entry numbers, but I don't have that data any more.

 

[SamScribble]

Yeah. If numbers have gone up or down over the years.
A while ago, I tracked a small decrease in contest entry numbers, but I don't have that data any more.

I rather doubt that contest entry numbers are an indicator of anything other than authors' time availability and (perhaps) interest in the theme. Just a thought.

 

[SimonDoom]

I rather doubt that contest entry numbers are an indicator of anything other than authors' time availability and (perhaps) interest in the theme. Just a thought.

I don't entirely agree. Presumably, there's a positive correlation between the total number of authors submitting stories and the number of stories submitted to contests. But it would be a weak correlation, I would think, and the sample size would be small.

It's too bad the story search feature doesn't allow you to search for stories between X date and Y date. Then we could answer the question easily.

 

[ElectricBlue]

It's too bad the story search feature doesn't allow you to search for stories between X date and Y date. Then we could answer the question easily.

Also, the OP could set his search end date at the point all the good writers left, avoid all his pain, and leave us second-tier writers to our delusions.

 

[Bramblethorn]

But if I’m, as you seem to be convinced, so utterly wrong on that last point, why not simply call evidence in rebuttal of it? Why don’t you simply name those “good writers still contributing stories here” who really are still contributing stories of the same caliber as those in the times of yore?

Because "tell me what you like so I can tell you why it's rubbish" is a tedious game and I have no interest in playing along.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Not directly quality related, but can anyone quantify the number of submissions made, say, ten years ago compared to nowadays?
I supposed looking at the number of contest entrants could give some kind of guide?

I looked into this a while back. You can use the Internet Archive's snapshots of the Literotica stories page to see how many stories there were up at various dates throughout the lifetime of the site:

https://web.archive.org/web/20050225032843/http://www.literotica.com/stories/

I don't have the numbers handy, but as I recall, the rate of new story submissions changed very little over time - the plot of date vs. total stories was almost a straight line. I was quite surprised by how steady it was.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

I don't entirely agree. Presumably, there's a positive correlation between the total number of authors submitting stories and the number of stories submitted to contests. But it would be a weak correlation, I would think, and the sample size would be small.

[sarcasm]It's too bad the story search feature doesn't allow you to search for stories between X date and Y date. Then we could answer the question easily.[/sarcasm]

There, I fixed that part of your post for you.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Nothing to do with quality. It’s all preferences. There’s good old, there’s good new. Writer come, writers go, there are gems on Literotica, the hard part is finding them. That’s it in a nutshell. There are just so many stories on Literotica, and filtering to find the ones you like is so hit and miss.... personally I’ve found the best is recommendations from people here.... outside of my own searches

 

[JLCC]

It might be just you. I don't mean that in a nasty way. A few years ago, I devoured a lot of stories. I find now that many don't capture my attention to carry on past a first page .

I'm an author, not many stories. Even my inspiration for stories has flagged.

 

[SimonDoom]

There, I fixed that part of your post for you.

You've lost me. I wasn't being sarcastic. As far as I can tell the search function here doesn't allow one to do this.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

Just a guess of course, but I wonder whether the disappearance of so many physical print porn and erotic magazines (and their published professional erotic stories) coincides with the seeming disappearance of 'passable' erotica HERE - and I'm sure those know who they are, who have been plagiarizing for years with the excuse that: 'oh, all writers BORROW from other writers...'

Frankly, I also kinda had this weirdo belief that ever since Felix Dennis passed away, the whole world slid downhill and all of this 'learn to code' stuff happened on real writing and real journalism in particular, and UK politicians for one thing went right out of control. Could the king of Brit erotica have held such a grip on things??

Perhaps his passing was part of the Zeitgeist. I don't agree things haven't deteriorated. They've deteriorated A LOT. And it's really obvious - stuff has become preachy and filled with crass modern politics. And there's a lot of 'us v you with a wrong opinion' wrapped in sheer aggressive rudeness and hypocrisy about 'arrogance.' I am arrogant enough to know and say that I am and don't care to 'correct' all others who also are... I read other people's opinions and take them as they come - because it belongs to that person as what they wanted to say. I don't need to agree with them or 'correct them!! They may be right in some degree even when they are mostly wrong.

Yes there are a lot of 'stories' still but they are mostly weak, generic and formulaic. I'm sure soon we'll all have to have a 'Cert 4 in erotica writing' to post anything and also be lectured by 'scientists' (experts) on why political spin is part of the mathematical fact of Darwinian Evolution in literature.

Yet at the same time we'll be forced to believe in Artificial Intelligent Design in creative writing, and that really 'creativity' doesn't exist at all but is a continuous re-molding, and constant streamlining of precisely seven different archetypal themes...

And THEN at that point EVERYONE will bow down to the mental defectives who are pushing this bullshit that either nothing much has changed or that things have gotten better(!) or at least not any worse and that in any event no one really knows because of the LACK OF ACCURATE SCIENTIFIC DATA.

...Because of course, especially in a place where people have individual viewpoints, and deal in narrative self-expression and creative FICTION - people with opinions have to PROVE FUCKING STUFF ALL THE TIME DON'T WE. Or else they're not allowed to hold an opinion and voice it in case of being jumped on by the same rude aggressive nutcases all the time.

Assholes. And that's my impression of some of you assholes. And opinion. Naturally, I could be wrong. For chrissakes I used to kick Sargon of Akkad online so much that he literally stfu for a while and then I saw him in RL and he was a really nice person!! And I thought 'well I'll be damned' and I told him so.

None of you dumb bastards have the the right to act or be rude arrogant assholes here or online because prolly you're not, in RL.

Whereas... ...I am.

 

[TarnishedPenny]

Statues have often been erected to honour authors, poets, actors and such. I’m having a hard time remembering the last one I saw honouring a critic.

Without trying to add more pee to this p***ing contest, nobody has as yet shown anything even close to evidence that the quality of work here has deteriorated - or, come to think of it, improved. All such claims are in any case subjective. While one can reasonably say that he or she isn’t as impressed with the new stuff, saying that it is definitively worse is always open to challenge.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Statues have often been erected to honour authors, poets, actors and such. I’m having a hard time remembering the last one I saw honouring a critic.

Here's one!

But, yeah, big-name critics are few and far between. I think that's got less to do with how much we respect them than with how much one critic can cover. It might take a team of hundreds a year to make a major movie, but one critic can watch and review it in a day with time left over.

 

[TarnishedPenny]

Here's one!

There just had to be one, didn’t there?

 

[ttvttp]

Seems like the op posted and then cut and run.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Seems like the op posted and then cut and run.

Indeed, methinks you are correct. He certainly stirred the pot.

“I would like that Xander troll
And I would troll alone
My thoughts did evermore disdain
A rival to my moan
He either fears the response to much
Or his balls are small
Who fears to put it to the touch
To return and face us all....”

And we all know what happened to Xander!

Owwww. I just reread that and snorted my own coffee. I’m sorry, Montrose. I bow my head in contrition at this abuse of one of the most memorable little pieces ever.

 

[Auden James]

Note from the Underground

Seems like the op posted and then cut and run.

Indeed, methinks you are correct. He certainly stirred the pot.

Like the saying goes: Never argue with idiots. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Or, since most all of you seem so crazy about “data” or “facts,” how about reading up in the Holy Scriptures?

Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. —Proverbs 26:4 (King James Bible)

And that’s all.

Sincerely
—AJ

P.S. There’s still no counterevidence in sight; indeed, this very thread—full of shameless self-promotion and afflicted denialism—just serves to corroborate my claim.

 

[MelissaBaby]

Like the saying goes: Never argue with idiots. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Or, since most all of you seem so crazy about “data” or “facts,” how about reading up in the Holy Scriptures?



And that’s all.

Sincerely
—AJ

P.S. There’s still no counterevidence in sight; indeed, this very thread—full of shameless self-promotion and afflicted denialism—just serves to corroborate my claim.

Congratulations.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Like the saying goes: Never argue with idiots. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Or, since most all of you seem so crazy about “data” or “facts,” how about reading up in the Holy Scriptures?



And that’s all.

Sincerely
—AJ

P.S. There’s still no counterevidence in sight; indeed, this very thread—full of shameless self-promotion and afflicted denialism—just serves to corroborate my claim.

Oh but you asked, and of course we’re all shameless self promoters. Attitude begets attitude, alas. And whose worried about counter evidence. It’s all subjective. It is fun tho. I do find it humorous when someone comes in and basically says you’re all poor writers with a bad attitude, on a forum full of said writers. My basic reaction is “bite me”. My next is, well, Xander.