Why does anyone NEED an assault rifle?

[coachdb18]

Your definition of mentally disturbed individuals should expand to include people like yourself who have a pathological obsession with the power of your weapon. You should all be in a national data base of mentally unstable people prohibited from owning firearms.

And THAT kind of thinking is why nobody listens to you about your ‘gun control’ solutions... remember the liberal cry that ‘all military war veterans’ are mentally ill? Jump the shark and the world starts ignoring you...

 

[My I]

How many shots can you get off with your .44 Magnum Red Hawk before your arm gives out?

I used to shoot IHMSA competitions using a Dan Wesson 44v10 for Production, Revolver and Standing classes. 40 rounds for each class at the match and usually twice that in practice twice a week. So roughly 840 rounds a month.

I don't own a 22.

 

[My I]

Your definition of mentally disturbed individuals should expand to include people like yourself who have a pathological obsession with the power of your weapon. You should all be in a national data base of mentally unstable people prohibited from owning firearms.

Ok, sorry it took so long to reply to this, I had to clean up the coffee I spewed all over the place.

Little girl, I have PASSED psych exams a dozen times in the past 20 yrs. Have to do one from time to time for my work.

You, on the other hand would fail in the first 5 min. You have exhibited unstable behavior in every post you have made here. I doubt you could pass a basic drug screen. And YOUR background check would likely have red flags all over it.

 

[WandaGrabowski]

And THAT kind of thinking is why nobody listens to you about your ‘gun control’ solutions... remember the liberal cry that ‘all military war veterans’ are mentally ill? Jump the shark and the world starts ignoring you...

No I don't remember the old liberal cry, "that ‘all military war veterans’ are mentally ill"

 

[WandaGrabowski]

Ok, sorry it took so long to reply to this, I had to clean up the coffee I spewed all over the place.

Little girl, I have PASSED psych exams a dozen times in the past 20 yrs. Have to do one from time to time for my work.

You, on the other hand would fail in the first 5 min. You have exhibited unstable behavior in every post you have made here. I doubt you could pass a basic drug screen. And YOUR background check would likely have red flags all over it.

Just as sure as I'm certain that you dismiss all women as little girls. I stopped playing with dolls. When are you going to stop playing army?

 

[coachdb18]

How many shots can you get off with your .44 Magnum Red Hawk before your arm gives out?

I can tell just by your question that you have either never fired a gun before, or have done so so few times as to have zero experience. Can you even tell, given the choice between my .44 Magnum Red Hawk w/4” barrel, and my 2” titanium .357 magnum, which would ‘wear your arm out first’, in other words, which would kick your ass first? Does it matter?

 

[My I]

Just as sure as I'm certain that you dismiss all women as little girls. I stopped playing with dolls. When are you going to stop playing army?

This is the reason you were called "Little Girl". You make assumptions with absolutely NO evidence to support it. Childish. Ignorant. Spiteful. Much like a mentally unstable 6 yr old.

 

[BotanyBoy]

There it is. Not carrying a gun makes you defenseless - that's the NRA Kool-Aid.

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And I bet the NRA has never said anything of the sort either.

You're so desperate it's cute in a pathetic way.

Personally I don't see why you would need anything more powerful than a handgun for self defense.

Because handguns are generally pretty weak and lack what is called "stopping power".

 

[coachdb18]

The general question of advantage of a rifle vs pistol is distance (range). While a rifle using the same cartridge as a pistol will develop generally more velocity, and with that more energy on target, that’s not really the biggest advantage. Being able to hit a distant target with the very short sights of a pistol is very difficult, whereas the much longer sights on a rifle make distance shooting highly accurate. When the distance is as short as a room, wielding a rifle to get an accurate shot is far slower than the more mobile handgun, requiring shouldering rather than simple arm extension. The fact is, both have more than enough energy at short range to do the job, so it’s a little like asking if you’d rather be hit in a crosswalk by an Escalade or a Prius.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The general question of advantage of a rifle vs pistol is distance (range). While a rifle using the same cartridge as a pistol will develop generally more velocity, and with that more energy on target, that’s not really the biggest advantage. Being able to hit a distant target with the very short sights of a pistol is very difficult, whereas the much longer sights on a rifle make distance shooting highly accurate. When the distance is as short as a room, wielding a rifle to get an accurate shot is far slower than the more mobile handgun, requiring shouldering rather than simple arm extension. The fact is, both have more than enough energy at short range to do the job, so it’s a little like asking if you’d rather be hit in a crosswalk by an Escalade or a Prius.

You forget to mention the Prius is doing 30mph and relatively speaking survivable unless it hits you a few times or just connects right. Meanwhile the Escalade is doing 700 MPH!!!! and if it connects you're almost certainly going to die very rapidly or get a limb tore right the fuck off.

 

[phrodeau]

I can tell just by your question that you have either never fired a gun before, or have done so so few times as to have zero experience. Can you even tell, given the choice between my .44 Magnum Red Hawk w/4” barrel, and my 2” titanium .357 magnum, which would ‘wear your arm out first’, in other words, which would kick your ass first? Does it matter?

All depends on how they're accessorized.

 

[phrodeau]

I used to shoot IHMSA competitions using a Dan Wesson 44v10 for Production, Revolver and Standing classes. 40 rounds for each class at the match and usually twice that in practice twice a week. So roughly 840 rounds a month.

I don't own a 22.

I didn't mean you. You're the man. You're doing everything exactly right here.

 

[phrodeau]

The general question of advantage of a rifle vs pistol is distance (range). While a rifle using the same cartridge as a pistol will develop generally more velocity, and with that more energy on target, that’s not really the biggest advantage. Being able to hit a distant target with the very short sights of a pistol is very difficult, whereas the much longer sights on a rifle make distance shooting highly accurate. When the distance is as short as a room, wielding a rifle to get an accurate shot is far slower than the more mobile handgun, requiring shouldering rather than simple arm extension. The fact is, both have more than enough energy at short range to do the job, so it’s a little like asking if you’d rather be hit in a crosswalk by an Escalade or a Prius.

And yet BotanyBoy said they're all equally dangerous. Huh.

 

[coachdb18]

And yet BotanyBoy said they're all equally dangerous. Huh.

You’re fucking retarded, aren’t you!

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Exactly.

Your definition of mentally disturbed individuals should expand to include people like yourself who have a pathological obsession with the power of your weapon. You should all be in a national data base of mentally unstable people prohibited from owning firearms.

 

[BotanyBoy]

And yet BotanyBoy said they're all equally dangerous. Huh.

Why do you keep lying about the things I say phro?

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Lol. You heard it here first, folks.

Yet the Parkland Rent-a-Cop was supposed to immediately stop the shooter with a handgun.

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Originally Posted by Adder4321
Personally I don't see why you would need anything more powerful than a handgun for self defense

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Because handguns are generally pretty weak and lack what is called "stopping power".

 

[BotanyBoy]

Lol. You heard it here first, folks.

Yet the Parkland Rent-a-Cop was supposed to immediately stop the shooter with a handgun.


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Wow.....talk about ascription.

Just how much PCP did you have to do in order to read what I posted and get that totally unrelated whackadoodle assertion out of it?

I mean that isn't even REMOTELY close to what I said.


I'm still wondering where the fuck you got the idea he had a single shot weapon....

Do you really think law enforcement in the US (or anywhere for that matter) carries single shot anything?

Even their tazer guns have 3-5 cartridges.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

The Parkland Cop had a pistol, i.e. a handgun.

All the other idjits on this thread are saying he could have taken down Nikolaus Cruz easily, with one shot.

Also, let's not forget the NRA markets handguns as "self-defense" and "self-protection," like for moms and women who don't want to be raped.

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Wow.....talk about ascription.

Just how much PCP did you have to do in order to read what I posted and get that totally unrelated whackadoodle assertion out of it?

I mean that isn't even REMOTELY close to what I said.


I'm still wondering where the fuck you got the idea he had a single shot weapon....

Do you really think law enforcement in the US (or anywhere for that matter) carries single shot anything?

Even their tazer guns have 3-5 cartridges.

 

[phrodeau]

Because semi-automatic weapons are the standard in personal armament.

Why do so many seem to think semi-automatic rifles are so much more dangerous than hand guns which account for roughly 90% of gun crimes in the US on any given year or the legal full auto ACTUAL military hardware??

Do you really think one semi-automatic rifle is more dangerous than any other?

I think somebody disagrees with you.

 

[coachdb18]

Trying to teach a liberal the intricacies of firearms is like trying to teach a dog to drink through a straw

 

[BotanyBoy]

The Parkland Cop had a pistol, i.e. a handgun.

So you're walking back that single shot statement?

All the other idjits on this thread are saying he could have taken down Nikolaus Cruz easily, with one shot.

It's true that vs a rifle pistols are totally out gunned both in range and sheer firepower.

That being said, despite the firepower disadvantage as long as you keep that in mind it's entirely possible to mount an effective defense against the superior firepower of a rifle with a pistol. You can do it with a knife or your hands if you're good and keep your feels in check enough to wait and let some folks get shot up a bit.

Especially at the 50m and less ranges you'd find in most indoor/urban settings where the rifles range isn't that relevant of an advantage.

Also, let's not forget the NRA markets handguns as "self-defense" and "self-protection," like for moms and women who don't want to be raped.

(See new signature).

That's because pistols are not only a viable but the standard in self defense weaponry.

That's why all these anti-gun Democrats and their supporting celebrities all have security staff with handguns.

Just because a .300 win mag "hunting" rifle is a far more powerful weapon than an AR-15 which is more powerful than a 9mm doesn't mean you can't defend yourself with the 9mm.

It just means unless you're fairly lucky and get a CNS/heart shot you might have to shoot them a few times before they go down.

So if you're going to pull it and squeeze, squeeze until they stop.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I think somebody disagrees with you.

Who and about what?

 

[coachdb18]

It's true that vs a rifle pistols are totally out gunned both in range and sheer firepower.

Not necessarily so...

Red Hawk pistol firing Buffalo Bore +P+ 340gr bullet = 1649 ft/lbs @ 1478 ft/sec

.223 rifle firing Buffalo Bore JHP 77gr bullet = 1642 ft/lbs @ 3100 ft/sec

While the rifle fires the much lighter .223 round at a much higher velocity, the Red Hawk fired a much higher weight bullet, yielding almost exactly the same force. It's math, but then for liberals, math is hard.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Trying to teach a liberal the intricacies of firearms is like trying to teach a dog to drink through a straw

Red Hawk firing Buffalo Bore +P+ 340gr bullet = 1649 ft/lbs @ 1478 ft/sec

.223 rifle firing Buffalo Bore JHP 77gr bullet = 1642 ft/lbs @ 3100 ft/sec

While the rifle fires the .223 round at a much higher velocity, the Red Hawk fired a much higher weight bullet, yielding almost exactly the same force. It's math, but then for liberals, math is hard.

Yea, some hand cannons crank it out on par with your intermediate rifle cartridges, or even use IRC's in pistols like the 5.7 and 6.8 even.

But that overlap does have it's limits, and generally speaking is not that common.

Most handguns, especially service weapons are going to be 9mm .40 and .45 which are all at an immediate disadvantage to a .223 or larger semi-auto rifle platform on pretty much every level.

So you CAN do it!! But you'd need to be operator as fuck with your strategy and execution to do it solo.