Why Do People Write NC/R?

[madelinemasoch]

[No personal attacks or trolling - including creating accounts for this specific purpose. Heated discussions are fine, even welcome. However, personally attacking / kink-shaming a fellow author or reader is not allowed within the Author's Hangout. Threads which devolve into the exchanging of insults will be closed and repeat offenders will be given a timeout, per the AH rules.]

 

[mirafrida]

Why does someone write a story subtitled "Rosy discovers her grandpa’s big cock and can’t resist," or "Psychic powers and cock and ball torture? Great combo!," or "Centaur and human girl fall for each other?" (All posted today in Incest, BDSM and NonHuman respectively!) In each particular case, I can honestly say I don't get it. But in aggregate, it's clear that people's kinks and fantasies are incredibly diverse and personal, and that some of the common meta-themes involve crossing taboo lines and getting/relinquishing power.

 

[Demiurging]

Porn readers and writers are often capable of high levels of delineation and disassociation. Simply put, rap and rap fantasies are different in the mind: the only place it needs to be different.

It's depressing to think that porn actors and actresses are mostly sexual abuse victims, but considering the fact that there is no victim in the written word, it's very easy to put aside reality to enjoy the power dynamics of the fantasy on one side or the other.

Of course, you're entitled to dislike it. Nothing is for everyone, nor should it be.

(edit: a word)

 

[NoTalentHack]

I mean... you literally write NC/R. You just don't put it in that category, and it's NC/R against men. Not in all cases, of course, but I'll give an example from Cuckold Camp, Ch. 10: Does Mason seem like he likes... anything being done to him there? Like, at all? He literally gets beaten up by the guy that wants to fuck his girlfriend, thrown out into the hallway, and forced to listen/submit to it. Now, I'll be honest: I haven't read the rest of it. I just grabbed that sample at random. But it's clearly harm being done to a person that does not want it in a sexual context for the titillation of the reader.

I've written one NC/R story, but it's a bit of a cheat; the first page reads like a rape (if you don't read for details), but it's a CNC scene between a woman and her fiance that's intended to help her process the emotions surrounding a rape that took place years before. I've got a couple of others in my story seeds files, both also CNC stories. I'm working on a MC story for the AI event where a woman controls a man's body, but not his mind; regardless of category, that seems more horrific than a "pure" NC/R story to me. And I have a story that I'll probably never write that involves a marital rape (which will NOT sexualize that rape), but outside of that? Nah. I like dominant male stuff up to CNC, but not past that.

That said, two of the best NC/R writers I personally know are women, and several whose work I enjoy are also women. They've all clearly expressed to me the opinion that it's fantasy and should be treated as such, i.e., hot to imagine, disgusting to see happen in real life. It's a step beyond the powerlessness in BDSM, but in the context of a pure fantasy. I've talked to other women who've suffered abuse who say they find it a way (both writing and reading) to interrogate their feelings about what happened to them.

I'll step aside now to let the folks who REALLY know the genre step in, though.

 

[NoTalentHack]

Simply put, rap and rap fantasies

Vanilla Ice has entered the chat.

 

[lovecraft68]

How was this a personal attack?

 

[NoTalentHack]

How was this a personal attack?

I think (if someone was being sensitive about it) it could read as kink-shaming. "How dare you like fantasies that involve rape? I think they're icky." if one were being overly reductive.

 

[lovecraft68]

I think (if someone was being sensitive about it) it could read as kink-shaming. "How dare you like fantasies that involve rape? I think they're icky." if one were being overly reductive.

You're probably right, but whatever happened to the "even heated discussions". People are entitled to their opinion and people can debate that opinion. There's been a lot of posts being deleted and its not the AH mod doing it.

Wish they cared this much about the garbage they allow to flow through the comments section....talk about kink shaming.

 

[MillieDynamite]

My story, Going Down in the Elevator, reads as rape, but the twist, I do love my twists, is the event is all role play. The reader isn't let in on it until the end. But it isn't in NC/R. It's in lesbian. Cause they be lesbians.

 

[AlinaX]

The fantastic thing about reading is that it allows you to become someone other than your strict day-to-day self. By day you may be a strictly allocishet woman, but you pick up a story and become a gay trans man negotiating a polycule as an asexual. Or maybe you're a married accountant in real life, and a promiscuous spy between the pages.

So much that would be traumatic in real life can become erotic in fiction. Partly it's because you can close the book if it does become too much, or because you can reassure yourself that it's not real. I've certainly had experiences watching porn where I've been uncertain about whether it's coercion or performance, and that switches me off immediately.

 

[MillieDynamite]

If they are blocking insulting comments in the comments section, I'd hate to see what doesn't get through!

My story, Going Down in the Elevator, reads as rape, but the twist, I do love my twists, is the event is all role play. The reader isn't let in on it until the end. But it isn't in NC/R. It's in lesbian. Cause they be lesbians.

Actually, this was the reply to the personal attacks posted by Lovecraft.

 

[AwkwardMD]

How was this a personal attack?

I think this was interpretted as spillover from another thread.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Arg, sometimes I'm so dumb.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

Arg, sometimes I'm so dumb.

And you're just fingering that out? I mean figuring.

 

[NotWise]

I've posted one story (two parts) to NC/R. I did it because I had a story to tell, and I didn't think it fit well in Romance.

 

[SimonDoom]

I don't agree with the OP's perspective, but I think deleting the remark on the grounds that it's a personal attack or kink-shaming is wrong. We should be able to have robust debates about the subject matter of this site. People should be able to ask questions about kinks and question why people have them. Where it goes off the rails is when people personally attack fellow AH participants because of the kinks they like.

The moderators at this site need to exercise better judgment about what they will and will not permit, and the standards need to be consistent.

 

[MillieDynamite]

I agree with you.

I don't agree with the OP's perspective, but I think deleting the remark on the grounds that it's a personal attack or kink-shaming is wrong. We should be able to have robust debates about the subject matter of this site. People should be able to ask questions about kinks and question why people have them. Where it goes off the rails is when people personally attack fellow AH participants because of the kinks they like.

The moderators at this site need to exercise better judgment about what they will and will not permit, and the standards need to be consistent.

 

[MillieDynamite]

And you're just fingering that out? I mean figuring.

Hardy, Har, Ha!

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

I would think a realistic story about rape, the aftermath, and maybe some just deserts for the rapist would be great. If you can even write that for her, I'd read it.

 

[MillieDynamite]

I think when you have the woman enjoy, it's so wrong. Even when we cum, they don't enjoy the rape. It's a violation, and writing it where they begin to like it just goes against reality—enough said. I've already said too much. Role Playing rape isn't the same as REAL RAPE. Trust me on this women don't like being raped.

 

[Bamagan]

Vanilla Ice has entered the chat.

I'm suddenly wondering if I've been wrong about how interesting the 'epic rap battles of history' series might be.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

I think when you have the woman enjoy, it's so wrong. Even when we cum, they don't enjoy the rape. It's a violation, and writing it where they begin to like it just goes against reality—enough said. I've already said too much. Role Playing rape isn't the same as REAL RAPE. Trust me on this women don't like being raped.

Yes, this is what's wrong with NC/R on this site. No realistic bad end rape allowed because 'rape is bad' yet the horrible lie of pseudo-rape is not only allowed but encouraged, which in the end glorifies rape.

 

[Bamagan]

I think when you have the woman enjoy, it's so wrong. Even when we cum, they don't enjoy the rape. It's a violation, and writing it where they begin to like it just goes against reality—enough said. I've already said too much. Role Playing rape isn't the same as REAL RAPE. Trust me on this women don't like being raped.

Wait, so does that mean that when someone is laughing their heads off while being tickled and begging it to stop, their physiological response can be completely different to their psychological response?! Madness!

(Yes, that's sarcasm, and intended to support the quoted comment, for anyone who might doubt my motivations.)

 

[MillieDynamite]

I've written realistic rape stories. But there's always a twist to them. You know how much I like a twist. I have the woman get revenge or reverse the tables and get the upper hand. I've even had the women kill the rapist. God forbid a woman kill a man. I know that's insanity, right? Of course, they weren't posted here.

One comment on one, "I really liked this story until she got the upper hand. It went to hell, then. Why'd you do that?"

I answered him, "Because I could."

 

[madelinemasoch]

It's a violation, and writing it where they begin to like it just goes against reality—enough said.

This is pretty much what I was originally saying, yeah.