Why aren't lighters/matches banned on US flights

[sexy-girl]

of all the banned items that you're not allowed to carry on american flights now why aren't lighters and matches banned when smoking isn't allowed on those flights anyway ... especially after the "shoe bomber" actually used a lighter to try and ignite the explosives in his shoes


well the reason is :

"I work on the Hill. The butane lighters were on the original list prepared by the FAA and sent to the White House for approval. The tobacco industry lobbied the Bush administration to have the lighters and matches removed from the banned list. Their customers (addicts) naturally are desperate to light up as soon as they land, and why should they be punished just so the skies can be safe?

I was stunned. I knew there had to be some strange reason why this most obvious of items had not been banned. Could the Bush mob be so blatant in their contempt for the public's safety? How could they do this, and at the same time, issue weekly warnings about the "next terrorist threat"? Would they really put Big Tobacco's demands ahead of people's lives?

Yes, of course, the answer has always been YES but not now, not in a time of national crisis, not NOW, so soon after the worst domestic mass murder in U.S. history!"


i just thought it was interesting

 

[peachykeen]

who are you quoting, darlin?

 

[Linedrive]

Without a lighter or matches, how am I suppose to light my smoke in the bathroom....a tinderbox?

 

[sexy-girl]

who are you quoting, darlin?

if i say you will roll your eyes i know he's not exactly popular in american but michael moore


http://www.michaelmoore.com/books-films/stupidwhitemen/onlinechapters/part01.php

 

[Bob_Bytchin]

Without a lighter or matches, how am I suppose to light my smoke in the bathroom....a tinderbox?

Did you know that a can of hairspray and lighter is a weapon? Of course you did.

 

[modest mouse]

if i say you will roll your eyes i know he's not exactly popular in american but michael moore

LOL

 

[Linedrive]

Did you know that a can of hairspray and lighter is a weapon? Of course you did.

That mouth of yours is a weapon, they should force you to put a muzzle on that beak before you fly

 

[sexy-girl]

why don't americans like him ?


he's more respected by british press

 

[modest mouse]

why don't americans like him ?


he's more respected by british press

Your idea of waht Americans like is totally skewed. What makes you think Americans dont like him?

My LOL was at your comment, not at michael moore. Hes kind of beloved here. The British press is probably the worst in the industrialized world, btw.

 

[Minkey Boodle]

It's because when a good ballad comes on over the flight radio network, we're all supposed to hold our lighters up concert-like.

 

[sexy-girl]

Your idea of waht Americans like is totally skewed. What makes you think Americans dont like him?

My LOL was at your comment, not at michael moore. Hes kind of beloved here. The British press is probably the worst in the industrialized world, btw.

i just saw an interview on the tv with him and he was saying how he is pretty much hated by the american press by he gets a lot more respect from the british press ... i also have seen when he's been mentioned on literotica before some members didn't like him


i agree with you about saying our press is probably one of the worst in the industrialized world ... but not all of it ... we have a really awful kind of press and we have a very good kind of press

bbc is probably one of the most respected news services in the world for unbiased reporting and we do have newspapers that try to be as good


i do think its sad that the tobacco industry could lobby for this to be changed ... people that told me that NRA didn't have any power to lobby stuff ... but i think this shows how much lobbying power organizations can have over the current presidential administration

 

[christophe]

Without a lighter or matches, how am I suppose to light my smoke in the bathroom....a tinderbox?

rats beat to the punch again! flint we could use flint....

 

[modest mouse]

sexygirl,

Moore likes to cultivate the image that he is hated by the press, etc. he is hated by Big Buisiness because he gets off on harassing them and makes it thoroughly entertaining.

Many people, including myself, find moore to be a quality filmmaker even if you dont always agree witht he point he is trying to get across.

I think the British Press would pull up beside him because he often bashes American consumerism and other characteristics that the British like to bash.

He is new 'documentray' looks to ge as good as his past work.

 

[sexy-girl]

i agree i do want to see his new film and i did often wonder if he played the hated and hounded american a bit to well

i still think its an interesting topic he brought up about the matches/lighter

 

[seXieleXie]

i michael moore. in one episode of "the awful truth" he got a bunch of gay men and an RV, which was dubbed "the sodomobile" and had wild orgies in states that have anti-sodomy laws

 

[seXieleXie]

sexygirl,

Moore likes to cultivate the image that he is hated by the press, etc. he is hated by Big Buisiness because he gets off on harassing them and makes it thoroughly entertaining.

Many people, including myself, find moore to be a quality filmmaker even if you dont always agree witht he point he is trying to get across.

I think the British Press would pull up beside him because he often bashes American consumerism and other characteristics that the British like to bash.

He is new 'documentray' looks to ge as good as his past work.

mm, your av looks like it's trying to eat itself. i suggest you offer it a hamburger or something.

 

[sexy-girl]

i michael moore. in one episode of "the awful truth" he got a bunch of gay men and an RV, which was dubbed "the sodomobile" and had wild orgies in states that have anti-sodomy laws

LOL thats cool


i know his trick of getting the black and white man to hail taxi's next to each other with the black guy infront and about 10 times out of 10 the taxi ignores the black man and stops infront of the white guy

and racism doesn't exist in american

 

[modest mouse]

mm, your av looks like it's trying to eat itself. i suggest you offer it a hamburger or something.

Thats a homemade critter from years ago. That orange/red stuff is hair. He already had dinner.

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sexygirl,

Regardless of the source, lighters and matches should not be allowed on flights. I have no idea if they are or why they would be.

 

[tripleflip]

of all the banned items that you're not allowed to carry on american flights now why aren't lighters and matches banned when smoking isn't allowed on those flights anyway ... especially after the "shoe bomber" actually used a lighter to try and ignite the explosives in his shoes

i just thought it was interesting

Okay, the reason all this doesn't make sense is that it doesn't make sense. Our objectives in air transport security are completely flawed. The problem isn't with the THINGS people bring on the airplane. It's the PEOPLE, stupid.

I'm just a dumb skater grrl but even I have taken enough kung fu to pop your neck if you weren't expecting it. Any Special Forces guy could drop you in the aisle with his bare hands. Surely the next crew of hijackers have figured this out by now. They are really dumb, but not so dumb thay can't figure THAT out!

So if we ever start checking out the PEOPLE who get on airplanes, we will begin to be safe, but not before. There is no "invasion of privacy" here. No one has an absolute constitutional right to fly on a commercial airliner. If you don't want to apply for a "trusted traveler" ID, you don't have to. You can be just as private as you want to, if you want to go through the sniffer line. Least of all should we be worried about the "rights" of non-US citizens who are here illegally or in violation of their visas. Somewhere in all of this little skater grrls have the right to get on a plane to Detroit without winding up in pieces inside the WTC. My Aunt's friend lives in SOHO and worked in the North Tower. She had PMS and called in sick that day...

Besides, all this is closing the gate after the horse, isn't it? Next time, the pilots won't unharness so easily. They'll push over, unload the wings, and everyone winds up on the ceiling. Good reason to keep the ol' seatbelt fastened, huh?

The only thing we have done to really improve aviation security is to put real doors on the cockpits.

 

[sexy-girl]

i think the stuff with airline security and the banned list is that some of it makes sense sure and some of it is crazy

but regardless of if it makes sense or not an organization like the tabacco lobby shouldn't have any kind of say in whats on the list ... its meant to be about safety not money and the government should be deciding the list for safety reasons not monetary ones

 

[Ham Murabi]

I know! We could make it illegal to bring matches and lighters on board, and if we catch someone we send their ass to prison for at least five years.
That would make me feel a lot safer.
And a lot of people have overlooked the fact that shoes, not just those loaded with explosives, are inherently dangerous in the wrong hands. A trained martial arts expert could kill and maim an entire flight crew in a matter of seconds.
Belts, too, are potentially lethal, and a terrorist's shirt could be thrown over the head of the pilot, forcing the jet to crash into God only knows what.
To be perfectly safe, I'd suggest all airline passengers be issued paper clothing at the gate and that they be forced to change their clothes there, in order to give the highly trained airport security personnel one more chance to ascertain that no weapons are being brought aboard.
The clothes discarded at the departure gates could then be donated to various homeless shelters, while items of value in the clothing, such as wallets packed with cash and credit cards, could be bulk mailed to the IRS. That was proposed along with the ban on lighters and matches, but the powerful accounting lobby, headed by H&R Block, stepped in and killed the idea.
The powerful clothing lobby, meanwhile, endorses the plan to force passengers to strip and exchange their duds for paper. The Gap has already secured airport terminal retail space in 36 major American cities if that plan is put into effect.

 

[sexy-girl]

like i said ham murabi ... its not important if you regard the items on the list as making sense or not ... but the reasons why they are on the list ... or why they have been removed from the list

but if you really want to get down to the importance of the items on the list ... a lighter has actually been used in an attempt to blow up a plane in flight

you can't say that about most of the other items on the list



"By September 22, I had no choice but to get back on a plane. I had been scheduled to give a talk in San Antonio, and so off I went on an American flight out of Newark. At the airport there was a newly, hastily put-together list of all the items that I could NOT bring aboard the plane. The list was long and bizarre. The list of banned items included:

No guns. (Obviously)
No knives. (Ditto)
No boxcutters. (Certainly now justified)
No toenail clippers. (What?)
No knitting needles. (Huh?)
No crotchet hooks. (Now, wait a minute!)
No sewing needles.
No mace.
No leaf blowers. (OK, now it's personal)
No corkscrews.
No letter openers.
No dry ice."

 

[Ham Murabi]

Myself, I'd like to see airlines have the option of offering smoking and non-smoking flights. I'll hazard a guess most non-terrorist violence on airlines can be traced to some cigarette junkie going off the deep end near the conclusion of a four-hour flight — after being trapped in the plane for an hour prior to takeoff while some maintenance is being taken care of.
I'd also feel real comfortable if people with concealed carry permits were allowed to pack heat on planes, provided they had the right type of ammunition. A national registry of such people authorized to carry on board could be established fairly easily, I believe, perhaps using the geniuses who created Literotica providing the computer know-how.
Of course, that's just my opinion.

 

[sexy-girl]

guns on planes would be the WORST thing in the world

 

[Ham Murabi]

guns on planes would be the WORST thing in the world

Nah. The old saying, "If guns are outlawed then only outlaws would have guns" is incredibly simplistic, but there's a great deal of truth to it. Stats show states with concealed carry laws have lower murder and violent crime rates simply because criminals can't be sure their victim is defenseless.
One concealed carry permit and pistol in the right hands on four separate flights on 9/11 would have saved thousands of lives.