Why are General Board people so stupid?

[Recidiva]

Does it mix with brandy?

If you say it gets you hot, I'll drink liquid plumber.

I don't care what everybody says about you, man. You're okay.

I think everything mixes with brandy. Maybe not well, though.

I think the liquid plumber is a little more into visceral play than I'd like to go. I know, I'm basically a wuss.

 

[bronzeage]

I don't care what everybody says about you, man. You're okay.

I think everything mixes with brandy. Maybe not well, though.

I think the liquid plumber is a little more into visceral play than I'd like to go. I know, I'm basically a wuss.

That's good to hear, because I wasn't really looking forward to that part.

Its nice, but I have to go learn some stuff about electricity the hard way. Do you have any idea what the "v" in 220v stands for?

 

[Recidiva]

That's good to hear, because I wasn't really looking forward to that part.

Its nice, but I have to go learn some stuff about electricity the hard way. Do you have any idea what the "v" in 220v stands for?

V. That ALWAYS means velocity. So it means it's going 220 miles per hour. Check to see if it's kilometers though. Fucking metrics mess everything up.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Dude, you've been pegged as a "he did it first!"er. You don't follow the morals you claim to uphold.

There he is ladies and gentlemen, the Vizzini of Literotica.

Vizzini: I can't compete with you physically, and you're no match for my brains.
Westley: You're that smart?
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Westley: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

 

[Recidiva]

There he is ladies and gentlemen, the Vizzini of Literotica.

Vizzini: I can't compete with you physically, and you're no match for my brains.
Westley: You're that smart?
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Westley: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

I am finding this to be a very Vizzini like argument. With someone telling me that my actions and words mean what they don't mean. I know what they mean.

I've learned quite a bit by having the "This action ABSOLUTELY means this thought!" argument flung up at me. Enough so that I'm much less likely to use it myself in the future. Again, I like thinking. It's cool.

 

[Vikingstone]

Would you be willing to drink Vitameatavegamin?

It's so good too...tastes just like candy?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

V. That ALWAYS means velocity.

Sometimes it means...*gigglesnort*...VAGINA!!!

Cuz boys gots a penis...and GIRLS gots...a...VAGINA!!!

*gigglesnortchuckleguffawchortletittersniffle*

 

[Recidiva]

Sometimes it means...*gigglesnort*...VAGINA!!!

Cuz boys gots a penis...and GIRLS gots...a...VAGINA!!!

*gigglesnortchuckleguffawchortletittersniffle*

Young man...

You're going to have to stay after class.

 

[BlackShanglan]

As for your gloating implication LT, that I've somehow contradicted myself I'd love to see how, in pointing out that your response to being ignored (playing the peacemaker as Lady English put it) that I have contradicted myself in any way whatsoever. It's easily proven that ignoring you makes no difference in the number or veracity of your attacks. If anything, being the bigger person and ignoring your bullshit only makes you more strident.

I don't think that ignoring LT will stop him, but then I don't think that letting LT talk does harm to people he attacks. Quite the opposite. The longer he continues with his attacks and the more threads he posts for no purpose other than to harass people and justify behaving in an ugly fashion, the more clearly he presents himself as someone no one would want to have much to do with or need to take seriously. Ironically, I've been reclassified as an enemy for attempting to dissuade him from doing himself precisely that disservice.

My own personal point in declining to defend your earlier post (the one quoted by LT) was that it did really seem to give his words power over you. Even if he won't go away if ignored, he's not going away when debated either. The only thing one can really do with someone who will neither be reasonable nor be quiet is to avoid allowing him to define the terms by which you relate to him. I'm not at all suggesting that that is easy or that there's anything conspicuously remiss in getting irritated with someone who keeps attacking you and your wife; I'm just saying that I didn't think that particular post was particularly worth defending against the charge that you'd let LT's words get to you.

 

[Recidiva]

I don't think that ignoring LT will stop him, but then I don't think that letting LT talk does harm to people he attacks. Quite the opposite. The longer he continues with his attacks and the more threads he posts for no purpose other than to harass people and justify behaving in an ugly fashion, the more clearly he presents himself as someone no one would want to have much to do with or need to take seriously. Ironically, I've been reclassified as an enemy for attempting to dissuade him from doing himself precisely that disservice.

My own personal point in declining to defend your earlier post (the one quoted by LT) was that it did really seem to give his words power over you. Even if he won't go away if ignored, he's not going away when debated either. The only thing one can really do with someone who will neither be reasonable nor be quiet is to avoid allowing him to define the terms by which you relate to him. I'm not at all suggesting that that is easy or that there's anything conspicuously remiss in getting irritated with someone who keeps attacking you and your wife; I'm just saying that I didn't think that particular post was particularly worth defending against the charge that you'd let LT's words get to you.

Well, that's the point.

I'm completely aware that I'm irrelevant to the entire deal. He chose me as a target not because of my evilosity, but because I was there.

Whatever I say, whatever I do, no difference.

So I might as well say and do whatever I want, right?

It's liberating, actually. It's just funny to see how many people assume I must be really, really evil to deserve it.

You don't get to choose who stalks you, folks. It just happens. You also can't stop them with a restraining order, tears, asking the community to help you or being scared.

So I just do whatever I want, and realize it makes no difference. I realize I'm irrelevant. I learned this lesson long ago. This ain't my first stalking, baby. That one came to nothing as well. This one will come to nothing except I get to see what people do when confronted with the situation:

1. Run and hide.
2. Assume the person asked for it.
3. Fight back.
4. Be apathetic.
5. Really give a damn.
6. Stop giving a damn.
7. Ignore it and hope it will go away.

None of these make any difference. It's just what it is.

Ulaven's just not the sort to do any of those things except 3. I like him that way.

All in all, total thumbs up on this stalking. I learned quite a bit from the previous stalking so the shock and anger and worry are missing.

 

[BlackShanglan]

And when even BlackShanglan starts noticing your bullshit, that should alarm you.

It's never slowed you down. I don't see why it should trouble him.

 

[BlackShanglan]

Well, that's the point.

I'm completely aware that I'm irrelevant to the entire deal. He chose me as a target not because of my evilosity, but because I was there.

Whatever I say, whatever I do, no difference.

So I might as well say and do whatever I want, right?

My point is not that your behavior will make any difference to LT, but that it will make a difference to how others see you. I hasten to add that you've certainly presented yourself in a more rational and sympathetic fashion than LT has. When one decides not to descend to the sort of behavior one is receiving, it helps others recognize that one is not worthy of such treatment. It won't stop necessarily stop that treatment if one's attacker is obsessive and the setting (the Internet) makes it impossible to eject him, but then, nothing will. What it will do is allow one to make the best of what's left, i.e., the rest of the people available to talk with.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

I don't think that ignoring LT will stop him, but then I don't think that letting LT talk does harm to people he attacks. Quite the opposite. The longer he continues with his attacks and the more threads he posts for no purpose other than to harass people and justify behaving in an ugly fashion, the more clearly he presents himself as someone no one would want to have much to do with or need to take seriously. Ironically, I've been reclassified as an enemy for attempting to dissuade him from doing himself precisely that disservice.

My own personal point in declining to defend your earlier post (the one quoted by LT) was that it did really seem to give his words power over you. Even if he won't go away if ignored, he's not going away when debated either. The only thing one can really do with someone who will neither be reasonable nor be quiet is to avoid allowing him to define the terms by which you relate to him. I'm not at all suggesting that that is easy or that there's anything conspicuously remiss in getting irritated with someone who keeps attacking you and your wife; I'm just saying that I didn't think that particular post was particularly worth defending against the charge that you'd let LT's words get to you.

If someone is constantly painting graffiti all over your home do you ignore it completely or paint it over every day? At what point do you tire of covering up the bullshit sprayed all over the front of your home and wait in the bushes with a baseball bat for the little fucktard? I'm at the waiting in the bushes point, you're still in the repaint the house stage.

Ignoring him does nothing but make him dance in the front yard exclaiming that you LOVE the new paint job on your house, he will in fact exclaim that you painted it yourself if someone comments on how ugly it is. Just painting it over every day gets tiresome. Dragging his bloodied unconscious body out into the street, spray can in his hand, so that everyone can see who was painting shit all over your house is fitting and completely justified.

I never said that one should never retaliate, LT ascribed that position to me. I said that he was wrong to retaliate in kind to someone using ethnic slurs against him. I'm no pacifist by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Recidiva]

My point is not that your behavior will make any difference to LT, but that it will make a difference to how others see you. I hasten to add that you've certainly presented yourself in a more rational and sympathetic fashion than LT has. When one decides not to descend to the sort of behavior one is receiving, it helps others recognize that one is not worthy of such treatment. It won't stop necessarily stop that treatment if one's attacker is obsessive and the setting (the Internet) makes it impossible to eject him, but then, nothing will. What it will do is allow one to make the best of what's left, i.e., the rest of the people available to talk with.

And others are welcome to see me fighting back against the sort of behavior I've seen drive lots of people away. Smear campaigns, bullshit, lies. People who go out of their way to make Lit unbearable for others.

This is how I choose to address that. If you don't want to see fighting and you'd rather that I had a phone conversation with you, or a nice tea party, that can be arranged. If you want to see how I behave in a community where people make outrageous allegations against others, this is what I do. I stand up to it, I point it out, I call it what it is. Over and over. And Over. I don't get tired of it, I don't get angry about it. I point and I laugh.

There are plenty of people left, there are always those who share a phone call with me or a tea party. Those are generally private.

I'm here for humor (LT provides that in droves) and social interaction (these threads move like gangbusters, with people being very frank and expressing personal experiences and opinions that are of more value than "hey! I've got tits!")

You realize if I go offline, he takes total credit and starts trolling Ulaven in every thread saying I've left him, right?

It does not end.

Everyone here has the opportunity to ignore me, ignore these threads, ignore all this and stick to the "Hey! I've got tits!" threads.

Nobody's really winning or losing here, but they are expressing themselves. I find it fascinating. If you fear I am losing friends or public opinion, I am not. That's LT's goal and I find that he always, always shoots himself in the foot.

Do I think that's funny? Yes. Do I rush out with bandages and even console him for blundering so badly and advise him on how best to proceed next time? Yes, I actually do.

I'm the most fun LT's had in a long time, because I don't pretend he isn't something he isn't. I know him, I see him, I wave to him on the street.

I know lots of people, I see them, I wave to them on the street. Some help me improve the agility of my thoughts or my reflexes or my emotions.

In Carlos Castenada terms, he is my Petty Tyrant, and as Carlos says I should, I treasure him for that. If he did not volunteer, I would have to go out and find him.

At times I grow tired of the obstacle course and I leave, and then LT still finds his way to our lives to make me giggle, by claiming my marriage has dissolved and he drove us to it.

The laughter resounds no matter what happens. LT is harmless. That is entirely my point. I don't have to behave as if this were some great anything it's not. And people don't have to decide or choose for me, either.

He is not harmless to people who fall for his crap. I'm just not one of them and I don't have to pretend to be.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Everyone here has the opportunity to ignore me, ignore these threads, ignore all this and stick to the "Hey! I've got tits!" threads.

And not that there's anything...lowbrow...in sticking to those threads, mind you.

 

[Recidiva]

And not that there's anything...lowbrow...in sticking to those threads, mind you.

I make a huge amount of fluff. I'm not anti-fluff. I'm not anti-Thunderdome.

I also know that LT picked me to try to "get to" Ulaven. I know I'm irrelevant. So I can do whatever I want.

I'm sure this might be a mild bit of stress on a regular marriage, but this is not a regular marriage. Two utterly bloodthirsty people who have been around this block many times. We have a long track record of watching each other's backs, under much more menacing circumstances and over actual important things.

You want an example of how to really love someone? Trust someone? Defend someone, stand by them? Gather round!

It's nice of LT to wear the clown suit in the rabid dunking booth for our amusement.

 

[BlackShanglan]

If someone is constantly painting graffiti all over your home do you ignore it completely or paint it over every day? At what point do you tire of covering up the bullshit sprayed all over the front of your home and wait in the bushes with a baseball bat for the little fucktard? I'm at the waiting in the bushes point, you're still in the repaint the house stage.

No, I'm in the "I'm on the Internet" stage. There is no way to lay in wait, beat the silly sod unconscious, and teach him a really useful object lesson about being an ass, because nothing you can physically do is going to stop him from posting anything he likes. Clearly nothing you say is having any effect on his behavior either.

There is no house. There are no bushes. There is no baseball bat. That's the nature of the Internet. We deal in nothing but words, and we have to make the best of those that we can. We can't physically prevent people from speaking them; all we can do is choose how to respond to them. I'm not saying that it's wrong to retaliate. I'm saying that it's impossible to do it any conclusive or effective way, and it's better to recognize that.

 

[BlackShanglan]

The laughter resounds no matter what happens. LT is harmless. That is entirely my point. I don't have to behave as if this were some great anything it's not. And people don't have to decide or choose for me, either.

I wasn't attempting to. You questioned my earlier comments to LT about UD. I explained them. I didn't suggest that anyone should let me pick or choose for him or her; I declined to defend UD's post from LT's charge that it demonstrated that UD gave some power to LT's words. I think he did. I also added that I thought there was nothing wrong or bad about being annoyed at someone who behaves the way LT does.

You added to that the observation that you might as well behave any way you liked. I think that "any way I like" is rather broad, as it immediately reminded me of LT arguing that racial slurs were logically included in responding any way he liked. I wished by my response to indicate that I don't think all responses equal. However, as I tried to indicate in the post, I don't see anything wrong with your specific responses. As you point out, those who read your posts and LT's side by side are largely going to come to the same conclusion, and it's not going to be favorable to LT.

So far as I can make out, we agree. Upholding your own standards of behavior while dealing with LT does the best that anything can do with him.

 

[Recidiva]

No, I'm in the "I'm on the Internet" stage. There is no way to lay in wait, beat the silly sod unconscious, and teach him a really useful object lesson about being an ass, because nothing you can physically do is going to stop him from posting anything he likes. Clearly nothing you say is having any effect on his behavior either.

There is no house. There are no bushes. There is no baseball bat. That's the nature of the Internet. We deal in nothing but words, and we have to make the best of those that we can. We can't physically prevent people from speaking them; all we can do is choose how to respond to them. I'm not saying that it's wrong to retaliate. I'm saying that it's impossible to do it any conclusive or effective way, and it's better to recognize that.

Okay.

So you don't have fun with Ishmael coming to ridiculous conclusions about you and him making an utter ass about you? That's no fun for you at all.

Damn, and it looked so like you were enjoying yourself.

You'll have to put Ishmael on ignore since you can't conclusively or effectively keep him from being a jackass.

I really liked your posts, though

You'll be missed.

 

[Recidiva]

I wasn't attempting to. You questioned my earlier comments to LT about UD. I explained them. I didn't suggest that anyone should let me pick or choose for him or her; I declined to defend UD's post from LT's charge that it demonstrated that UD gave some power to LT's words. I think he did. I also added that I thought there was nothing wrong or bad about being annoyed at someone who behaves the way LT does.

You added to that the observation that you might as well behave any way you liked. I think that "any way I like" is rather broad, as it immediately reminded me of LT arguing that racial slurs were logically included in responding any way he liked. I wished by my response to indicate that I don't think all responses equal. However, as I tried to indicate in the post, I don't see anything wrong with your specific responses. As you point out, those who read your posts and LT's side by side are largely going to come to the same conclusion, and it's not going to be favorable to LT.

So far as I can make out, we agree. Upholding your own standards of behavior while dealing with LT does the best that anything can do with him.

Well, I do like behaving wisely. I don't always have a choice. But if I don't practice, I won't learn, now will I?

Extreme situations that endlessly repeat themselves like "Groundhog Day" do ultimately bear fruit. This I know. I am patient.

The fact that Ulaven's ready to kill someone at a moment's notice in my defense, also, will never change (I hope). Again, I like him that way. I want him that way. He won't ever get an admonition from me because he's protecting me passionately. I happen to like that. If someone wants to look at that and see "ravening beast" well, so much their loss. I blame their sight, not my husband.

 

[bronzeage]

V. That ALWAYS means velocity. So it means it's going 220 miles per hour. Check to see if it's kilometers though. Fucking metrics mess everything up.

You are right, it is mph.

Don't let the red wires touch. All the lights go out if you do that.

 

[Recidiva]

You are right, it is mph.

Don't let the red wires touch. All the lights go out if you do that.

I'm so smart!

I knew it, I knew it, I knew it!

They don't let me touch wires any more...

 

[BlackShanglan]

Okay.

So you don't have fun with Ishmael coming to ridiculous conclusions about you and him making an utter ass about you? That's no fun for you at all.

Damn, and it looked so like you were enjoying yourself.

You'll have to put Ishmael on ignore since you can't conclusively or effectively keep him from being a jackass.

I really liked your posts, though

You'll be missed.

Again, I was still responding to UD about the post LT put up and about UD's comments on it. He's never suggested that he's just having fun. I've never said that one cannot have fun mocking the ridiculous. I quite enjoy it. I simply recognize that pulling Ishmael's tail is not, in fact, the equivalent of laying in wait in the bushes and teaching him a compelling physical lesson about the dangers of defacing my home. It's the equivalent of shouting "Ee-aw" back at him.

I don't have a problem with deriving what amusement one can out of an unpleasant person who chooses not to see reason. I simply declined, and still decline, to defend UD's earlier post from LT's observation that it did seem to give weight and power to LT's words. I also disagree with UD's suggestion that one can somehow ambush LT and leave him pulped and unconscious, never to deface one's metaphorical home again. None of those things precludes having a laugh. Humor is a good way to deal with people when you can't (either metaphorically or otherwise) ambush them and teach them the error of their ways.

 

[Recidiva]

Again, I'm still responding to UD about the post LT put up and about UD's comments on it. He's never suggested that he's just having fun. I've never said that one cannot have fun mocking the ridiculous. I quite enjoy it. I simply recognize that pulling Ishmael's tail is not, in fact, the equivalent of laying in wait in the bushes and teaching him a compelling physical lesson about the dangers of defacing my home. It's the equivalent of shouting "Ee-aw" back at him.

I don't have a problem with deriving what amusement one can out of an unpleasant person who declines to see reason. I simply declined, and still decline, to defend UD's earlier post from LT's observation that it did seem to give weight and power to LT's words. I also disagree with UD's suggestion that one can somehow ambush LT and leave him pulped and unconscious, never to deface one's metaphorical home again. None of those things precludes having a laugh.

I think you're taking the bushes thing a little too seriously.

Step away from the bushes. It's a metaphor and you're making it cry.

It's actually my metaphor and he borrowed it. You can't have it any more. He went to sleep and you're abusing my metaphor and now I want it back.

MOOOM!

ETA: The metaphor also having to do with the fact that this is a guy who HAS shown up at someone's real address. Ensured someone else lost their job. Posted what he thought was someone's real address in hopes to get someone to go to someone else's house angry. Not a serious problem or consideration, but a bit of history to consider. This person makes things real. Whether he will or not, no big deal, I am not a prophet. Odds higher that he might more than the average insane person? Well, duh.

 

[KyleW]

Hi LT.