Why a Gun?

[Weevil]

I live in Texas, so I can carry any gun so long as it's out in the open for anyone to see.

Known in this house as reason #23,431 why Texas will never receive dollar one of my vacation money.

 

[Texan]

Known in this house as reason #23,431 why Texas will never receive dollar one of my vacation money.

Weevil..... not to worry.... I doubt you'll be missed.....

 

[Weevil]

Weevil..... not to worry.... I doubt you'll be missed.....

I don't know, I can spend some serious cash on vacation.

Like this one time, when me and some frat brothers went to New Orleans and Brother Kagen mentioned he'd never seen two girls go at it in person, so me and Kowski hire these two strippers, or anyway we thought they were strippers.....


Well, you get the picture.

 

[lavender]

 

[Weevil]

Guns terrify me. I do not believe in owning a gun, I will not own a gun. No one that lives with me will be able to have a gun in our home. Period.

Essentially what the inimitable lav said . My home is dangerous enough with a blender.

 

[Texan]

I don't know, I can spend some serious cash on vacation.

Like this one time, when me and some frat brothers went to New Orleans and Brother Kagen mentioned he'd never seen two girls go at it in person, so me and Kowski hire these two strippers, or anyway we thought they were strippers.....


Well, you get the picture.

psssst.... weevil.... Louisiana... allows anyone to carry a gun so long as it's visible. Just like Texas....

The only exceptions are metropolitan areas with a population over 100,000.

hahaha.... hiring a stripper in new orleans is like wearing someone else's underwear.... it may look clean.... but you know where it's been.....

 

[Texan]

Guns terrify me. I do not believe in owning a gun, I will not own a gun. No one that lives with me will be able to have a gun in our home. Period.

I respect the privilege people have to own a gun. But, I am incredibly supportive of gun control measures.

Not that I held out much hope..... but I guess this means you and I will never live together.....

 

[lavender]

 

[Texan]

It's such a depressing realization isn't it?

Yes darlin ... it is.... Just think..... in so many other ways.... we are so much alike...... ok... so I was wrong........

anyway..... if every fantasy was fulfilled,,,,,, a man would have no dreams........

 

[RhumbRunner13]

Two tragedies in life, Texan...

One is not to get your heart's desire.....

The other is to get it!

Rhumb

 

[fgarvb1]

lavender, i'm not trying to start trouble, however i am wondering about one thing.

When someone kicks your door in or breaks your window and comes in on you in the middle in the middle of the night, are you going the be able to talk your way out of getting robbed, raped, or murdered in the short amount of time it takes to get to you?

i can talk the horns of of a billygoat...but, i'm not that good.

a lot of people are cruel, mean and have no soul worth talking about.

may luck stay with you and your higher power protect you.

as for me i'll put God, myself and interarms up against any crook in the country.

 

[Thumper]

Show me a democrat

That supports draconian gun control measures and I'll show ya someone looking for a job.

I like how all liberals/democrats are characterized as "ban the gun" fanatics. Only a small radical segmenty of the left supports this idea. Most of us do believe in some regulatory measures to try to keep those under disability from obtaining them. Sure, they will get them illegally but is that any reason to make it possible for them to get them at the local K Mart?

I don't buy the "slippery slope" idea often put out by the NRA. Just paranoia.

Comparing guns and cars is just plain silly. Apples and oranges again. You right wing nuts need to get your frits straight.

Automobiles are designed and made for a useful purpose and when used for that purpose are generally safe and innocuous. Accidents happen and people die and true, more people die from car accidents than gun mishaps. But you have to consider that if guns were used as much as cars were the death toll would be much higher. Face it guns are made for only one thing. To kill. They can be used for target practice but so can BB's. Hollow points aren't needed for plugging a target..they are made to stop a human being.

When comparing guns and cars do it accurately. Compare death rates versus actual usage.

I don't want or need a gun...if you want one and aren't a wife beater or convicted felon or under psychiatric treatment then more power to ya.

Other than my person or those of my family there is nothing in my home worth taking a life over. As for the personal threat...well, I stand a better chance of getting struck by lightning inside the local mall. Suffice it to say I don't carry a lightning rod around either.

fgarvb..if it's that bad in your neighborhood maybe you should move.

 

[fgarvb1]

Thumper, hell man it's not that bad in my neighborhood! and will not be as long as i breathe.

I'm almost sure somone on my street doesn't own a gun, but i would not bet my life on it.

what planet would you move to anyway?

My grandmother at the age of eighty five pulled a six shooter on a man who tried to break her screen door in, just because she was old and he thought she was alone and afraid.

That was a mistake.

She had her freinds Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson with her always.

Never, ever mess with an old lady who is armed and not afraid to die or defend herself.

He was very, very lucky. I saw my grandmother when she was seventyish shoot the head off a chicken from across the yard.

 

[Ishmael]

Re: Show me a democrat

That supports draconian gun control measures and I'll show ya someone looking for a job.

I like how all liberals/democrats are characterized as "ban the gun" fanatics. Only a small radical segmenty of the left supports this idea. Most of us do believe in some regulatory measures to try to keep those under disability from obtaining them. Sure, they will get them illegally but is that any reason to make it possible for them to get them at the local K Mart?

I don't buy the "slippery slope" idea often put out by the NRA. Just paranoia.

Comparing guns and cars is just plain silly. Apples and oranges again. You right wing nuts need to get your frits straight.

Automobiles are designed and made for a useful purpose and when used for that purpose are generally safe and innocuous. Accidents happen and people die and true, more people die from car accidents than gun mishaps. But you have to consider that if guns were used as much as cars were the death toll would be much higher. Face it guns are made for only one thing. To kill. They can be used for target practice but so can BB's. Hollow points aren't needed for plugging a target..they are made to stop a human being.

When comparing guns and cars do it accurately. Compare death rates versus actual usage.

I don't want or need a gun...if you want one and aren't a wife beater or convicted felon or under psychiatric treatment then more power to ya.

Other than my person or those of my family there is nothing in my home worth taking a life over. As for the personal threat...well, I stand a better chance of getting struck by lightning inside the local mall. Suffice it to say I don't carry a lightning rod around either.

fgarvb..if it's that bad in your neighborhood maybe you should move.

Did you read the article I posted the link to? Probably not. It would be nice if you did, that way you might address the issue rather than evoke the "right wing nuts" verbage.

Surprisingly enough, one of the most liberal memebers of congress, Dingel of Michigan, is a rabid 2nd ammendment supporter.

The slippery slope does exist. Texan addressed the issue squarely and factually.

It is also of interest that the two industrialized nations that are on the travelers warning advisory list are the two nations that have totally banned firearms. Crime is rampant. Australia is the worst and the United Kingdom is a close second.

Ishmael

 

[SINthysist]

There is a school of self-defense that says, give them what they want. Going along is better than violence. You put yourself on the same level as your attacker. How noble can that be?

That viewpoint has been expressed here.

It is an enlightened and encouraging viewpoint.

When the burglar comes, offer your silver.
When the rapist comes, acquiesce.
When soldiers come, grovel.

Live one more day.

 

[berkley2955]

Gun Control...

...is being able to hit your target!

Texan is right. Once you register, get a "CC" permit the door is open to any government orgnization that wants to take away your right to defend yourself.

I sleep with a pistol and two swords by my bed, not out of paranoia, it's just where they are. If you want to take a chance and see what I come out with, go ahead... I'm pretty good with all of them!

 

[JazzManJim]

There is a school of self-defense that says, give them what they want. Going along is better than violence. You put yourself on the same level as your attacker. How noble can that be?

That viewpoint has been expressed here.

It is an enlightened and encouraging viewpoint.

When the burglar comes, offer your silver.
When the rapist comes, acquiesce.
When soldiers come, grovel.

Live one more day.

Wow.

Can we have someone here who remembers Neville Chamberlain come around here and explain why appeasement doesn't work?

Perhaps the French in the 1930's could help with that explanation, too.

The assumption with this theory is that the criminal, once he has what he wants, will leave. That is not always true. In fact, there is considerable evidence that being passive and giving in entirely makes many crimes worse and makes you a mark for repeated crimes.

It's not an enlightened attitude. It's a naive and dangerous one.

My entire attitude on gun control boils down to two sentences. Washington DC has had, for decades, the highest rate of murder by firearm per capita of any city in the entire world. It is illegal, under any circumstance, to own a firearm in Washington DC.

 

[Thumper]

fgarvb

Move here...haven't had a break in (Agg burg which is beaking and entering when someone is likely in the place) in this neghborhood in the ten years I have been here.

Most all disputes involving gunplay are among individuals known to each other at least around here.

I have heard of the slippery slope idea used in many arguments...nave actually seen documentation of it happening.

As for the right wing nuts verbiage does that mean it is relevant to compare cars and guns?

Comapre how many times a gun is actually fired with the actual number of deaths are involved and then compare the actual times automobiles are started with the number of deaths resulting from the cars usage.

Fatalities per use would be more accurate.

So Jim if we give them all guns the murder rate will decline? They also have a high poverty rate. Perchance that may have a bit to do with the high murder rate. Texas has the death penalty AND liberal gun laws AND a high murder rate. Explain that one.

 

[Thumper]

Re: Gun Control...

...is being able to hit your target!

Texan is right. Once you register, get a "CC" permit the door is open to any government orgnization that wants to take away your right to defend yourself.

I sleep with a pistol and two swords by my bed, not out of paranoia, it's just where they are. If you want to take a chance and see what I come out with, go ahead... I'm pretty good with all of them!

Does paranoia have any better definition?

This fear of "guvmint" is stupid. Who is going to come knocking on your door demanding your weapons? Look at how hard it was for Bushie to get his security measures passed...there is no shortage of civil liberties watchdogs out there defending your rights. Before any confiscation could take place you would need a majrity in congress to pass it and a president to sign it...fat chance. Unles of course martial law is declared. Anyone see that happening?

 

[*bratcat*]

Re: Re: Gun Control...

 

[berkley2955]

Ouch... I guess I stepped in ths one..

but I finally got a response to one of my few posts.

I just don't want to see America go the route of England, Canada, and Australia who have disarmed their populous of defensive weapons and seen a marked increase in violent crime.

 

[Problem Child]

Re: Show me a democrat

That supports draconian gun control measures and I'll show ya someone looking for a job.

Not really. There are lots of politicians, especially here in California that would ban guns outright if they had the chance, and they keep getting re-elected.

I don't buy the "slippery slope" idea often put out by the NRA. Just paranoia.

Sort of like abortion?

Every time I hear Patricia Ireland (president of N.O.W.) I swear I could change the subject and the words could come from Wayne LaPierre or Charleton Heston. Same argument, different subject. And both groups are right. There are organized attempts by the right to incrementally do away with abortion, just exactly the same way that groups like HCI have openly stated that their objective is to gradually work toward a total elimination of the ownership of guns (BTW, I support both abortion rights and the 2nd Amendment).

 

[SINthysist]

I thought the English historically tried to keep the poplace unarmed. Easier for the king's men and all...

 

[talk2024]

Re: Ouch... I guess I stepped in ths one..

but I finally got a response to one of my few posts.

I just don't want to see America go the route of England, Canada, and Australia who have disarmed their populous of defensive weapons and seen a marked increase in violent crime.

We've seen a marked increase in violent crimes... in Canada?

I don't think so... y'all can keep your guns. I've never seen a handgun in my life, and happier for it.

 

[SINthysist]

When you first see one, will you be happier,

Seeing it pointed at you, or

Seeing it pointed at Mr. Bad Guy....