White Christian Minority in USA & Europe; Barbarians at the Gate!

[amicus]

A piece on CNN this evening using demographics to predict the year when Caucasians would become a minority in the US...another piece a few days ago predicted Holland will be fifty percent Muslim in a few years, as will several other Euro Nations that have imported labor from Muslim Nations.

This is Racial Profiling, not Racism, but call it what you will...Blacks are Fundamentalist Christians and Democrats qua Socialists; Hispanics are Catholics, and largely Democrats, qua Socialists.

Tie this together with another current thread concerning the downsizing of Flint, Michigan and the other, 'rust belt' cities as the manufacturing era passes and Tofler's 3rd wave fails to develop and just what are you left with? Millions of unskilled Blacks and Hispanics doing what?

The piece on CNN was slanted against 'White Supremacists', feeding off the recent murder of the partial birth abortion doctor, predicting an increase in violence fomented by Caucasians that feel their life style is being threatened by a Black President and a shift in politics to the far left.

Interesting mix of statistics as most Black crime is against other Blacks and the friction between Hispanic and Blacks as they compete for the gratuities of government largesse, social programs heralded by the new administration.

Also interesting...the Republicans want to build a hundred new nuclear plants in the next twenty years...which will barely replace those scheduled for decomissioning over the same period of time, a zero sum result, while the Democrats are placing their bets on 'Alternative Energy' sources, which have been shown to be insufficient to service a population of three hundred million plus....curious, eh?

I think we should not be proud that this is the world we present our children and grandchildren.

Amicus...

 

[JamesSD]

Also interesting...the Republicans want to build a hundred new nuclear plants in the next twenty years...which will barely replace those scheduled for decomissioning over the same period of time, a zero sum result, while the Democrats are placing their bets on 'Alternative Energy' sources, which have been shown to be insufficient to service a population of three hundred million plus....curious, eh?

I think we should not be proud that this is the world we present our children and grandchildren.

Although your first paragraphs were your typical rambling non-sense, I'll focus on what I agree with. As I've stated before, I'm a pro-nuclear democrat. I think we need to invest a lot in "alternative" fuels as well, but given the choice of coal vs. nuclear, I'll take the challenge of spent fuel rods over pumping out tons of pollution into the air every day.

I agree this isn't a world to be proud of for much different reasons than you. There are still those who view skin color as an important factor in judging a person. Gays aren't given the same rights as straights. Faith still wins over reason. The US is fighting too many wars. Thousands die globally to causes that could be prevented. I think of the potential of the human species, I see what we're actually doing, and can't help but be disappointed.

 

[amicus]

You do not create fertile ground for discussion when you begin with,

"... your typical rambling non-sense, ..."

, but then, if that is your opinion, then so be it.

I will not lecture you, nor anyone, for it would be a wasted effort, but for the life of me, I cannot comprehend how you ignore nature's imperative that men compete for resources as a natural part of human nature.

Nor can I explain or justify why the 'white race' of men, conquered and colonized the world, but they damned well did so, as history records.

I sense in you, as in most starry eyed liberals, that if only you could control the entire world, you could make things the way you think they should be.

I find that a pre-teen concept of little girls who live in a world of dreams created by their own imagination and nothing else.

There is no excuse for an educated adult to continue such nonsensical imaginings of a perfect world under your control.

There will always be men such as I, who, when the majority decides to take the left path at a fork in the road, takes the right path, regardless of the opinion or wishes of others.

You would have us, me, done away with, relegated to your control, even if your path leads you over the edge of a cliff.

Diversity is such a phony concept from the collectivists, you don't want diversity of opinion at all, you just want it all your way, and you can only deal with opposition by ridicule...as if that had any importance at all.

Amicus

 

[amicus]

You have nothing to do with the fact that you are born with a white skin and a ... the Dutch Government let him down as if he was just a Turkish barbarian. ... I am a former European, a simple man, Christian who had immigrated to USA not so ... America, has always embraced minorities who cherished life (unlike many.

~~~

Cryptic at best, but welcome, janu09, to this particular place where ideas and thoughts are exchanged, in the best of times, and ideologies shouted in the worst.

It is, after all, a chance of birth, is it not? Anyone who cherishes life is welcome in a free society.

Perhaps in your next commentary you will be more explicit?

Amicus

 

[xssve]

A piece on CNN this evening using demographics to predict the year when Caucasians would become a minority in the US...another piece a few days ago predicted Holland will be fifty percent Muslim in a few years, as will several other Euro Nations that have imported labor from Muslim Nations.

This is Racial Profiling, not Racism, but call it what you will...Blacks are Fundamentalist Christians and Democrats qua Socialists; Hispanics are Catholics, and largely Democrats, qua Socialists.

Tie this together with another current thread concerning the downsizing of Flint, Michigan and the other, 'rust belt' cities as the manufacturing era passes and Tofler's 3rd wave fails to develop and just what are you left with? Millions of unskilled Blacks and Hispanics doing what?

The piece on CNN was slanted against 'White Supremacists', feeding off the recent murder of the partial birth abortion doctor, predicting an increase in violence fomented by Caucasians that feel their life style is being threatened by a Black President and a shift in politics to the far left.

Interesting mix of statistics as most Black crime is against other Blacks and the friction between Hispanic and Blacks as they compete for the gratuities of government largesse, social programs heralded by the new administration.

Also interesting...the Republicans want to build a hundred new nuclear plants in the next twenty years...which will barely replace those scheduled for decomissioning over the same period of time, a zero sum result, while the Democrats are placing their bets on 'Alternative Energy' sources, which have been shown to be insufficient to service a population of three hundred million plus....curious, eh?

I think we should not be proud that this is the world we present our children and grandchildren.

Amicus...

Lesse, the left wants to promote capitalist competition in energy, so that make them "leftist", the right is promoting the most heavily subsided and centralized energy solutions, and this after they've bankrupted the treasury with unbridled corporate largesse, and that makes them what? Capitalists?

Whitey is lashing out in fear of the end of unbridled largesse and favoritism for being sensible and "moral" enough to be born White, and complaining that after a couple of centuries of being "kept in their place" and treated like peons, Blacks and Hispanics they have failed singularly to become White - all we know for sure is that whatever rational solutions present themselves, the right will will oppose it tooth and claw, and if it does manage to get implemented, will take credit for it while they dismantle it.

 

[xssve]

Guess who get to foot the bill for de-commissioning all those outdated plants? Guess who foots the bill for building the new ones?

Lemme see, there is a word that describes a political philosophy that along with corporatist economics, institutional racism and Draconian social controls - what was it again?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

When there's nothing left worth stealing, the minorities will eat each other, problem solved.

 

[amicus]

Lesse, the left wants to promote capitalist competition in energy, so that make them "leftist", the right is promoting the most heavily subsided and centralized energy solutions, and this after they've bankrupted the treasury with unbridled corporate largesse, and that makes them what? Capitalists?

Whitey is lashing out in fear of the end of unbridled largesse and favoritism for being sensible and "moral" enough to be born White, and complaining that after a couple of centuries of being "kept in their place" and treated like peons, Blacks and Hispanics they have failed singularly to become White - all we know for sure is that whatever rational solutions present themselves, the right will will oppose it tooth and claw, and if it does manage to get implemented, will take credit for it while they dismantle it.

~~~

In my wanderings, I have stood on the Great Plains, on empty land and tendered the thought, 'nothing is for free, it all has to be created, and with purpose...', or something along those lines.

There is no need to 'subsidize' the Oil Industry, or Natural Gas or Coal Industries, they are profit making ventures that serve a need for energy.

On the other hand, the entire range of 'alternative energy schemes', are just that, schemes, and all subsidized by confiscated tax monies and all operate at a loss, accumulating an annual deficit and debt in addition to the initial investment that will never be recouped.

Earths' environment, the atmosphere, the oceans and fresh water reserves, have, in the past been truly assaulted by forces of nature a million times greater than all that man can produce, and recovered. I offer you Pinatubo, Tambora and Krakatoa, as examples of natural events that changed the environment of the entire earth, and yet, even with events of this magnitude, the earth recovered.

The effects man has had in his entire history is miniscule in comparison and you know it. Your entire environmental movement, global warming included, is all a huge political hoax, and you know that also.

The philosophy and psychology behind your efforts to enslave man and preserve nature indicate a truly troubled mind. You should seek assistance.

Amicus

 

[Pure]

For Republicans, the Forces Aren't With Them

The challenges facing the Republican Party as it rebuilds include changing demographics, such as the shrinking proportion of whites in the electorate. (By Ricky Carioti -- The Washington Post)


There has been much chatter about who now speaks for the Republican Party, and whether the GOP has a message or an agenda to combat President Obama's popularity. Those questions are important to the party's future, but the most serious problem remains the deeper demographic and political forces at work in the country.

For the past few months, political analysts and demographers have been poring over the results of the 2008 election and comparing them with presidential results from the past two decades. From whatever angle of their approach -- age, race, economic status, geography -- they have come to a remarkably similar conclusion. Almost all indicators are pressing the Republicans into minority status.

Republicans are still capable of winning individual elections, but until they find a way to reverse, or at least minimize, these broader changes in the country, their chances of returning to majority status will be severely reduced.

The American Enterprise Institute and the Brookings Institution convened a stellar cast on Friday to review what has been learned since November. The panel included Robert Lang of Virginia Tech; Ruy Teixeira of the Center for American Progress; William Frey of the Brookings Institution; Bill Bishop, a Texas writer and author of "The Big Sort"; Scott Keeter of the Pew Research Center; and Ronald Brownstein of Atlantic Media. They presented a wealth of data about what happened in 2008 and offered conclusions that would alarm any Republican hopeful of a quick turnaround in the party's fortunes.

Democrats have won the popular vote in four of the past five elections, though in one case (2000) they did not end up in the White House. In years in which they have also won the electoral vote, Democrats have racked up sizable margins. Obama bested John McCain by 365 to 173, and Bill Clinton's two victories were in the same range. George W. Bush's two electoral-college victories were narrow; he won 271 votes in the disputed election of 2000 and 286 in his 2004 reelection.

What has brought this about? It's not just one thing -- it's everything. Start with the Democrats' success in the suburbs. Lang's formula is that demography and density have combined to help Democrats: They dominate not just the cities but also the urbanized suburbs that contain the largest share of the suburban population in America.

Democratic strength in the counties around Philadelphia, around Detroit and in Northern Virginia have squeezed Republicans dramatically. Increasingly, Republican strength outside the urban areas counts for less. "There's just not enough rural folks and small-city people left in America in the key states that determine the electoral college to offset that difference," Lang said. "You're out of people."


That's one geographical reality. The other, which became acute in 2008, is that outside the South, Republicans are in trouble. McCain won the South in November, but Obama swept the rest of the country by an even bigger margin. The same pattern holds now for House and Senate seats. Republicans may continue to win governorships in Democratic-leaning states, but in congressional and presidential elections the geographic divides are sizable.

Brownstein reeled off a list of statistics that all arrived at the same place: The South now accounts for a greater share of Republican strength than at virtually any time since the party's founding. That base is too narrow, as even Republicans know.

Demographically, the forces at work have chipped away at what was once a GOP-leaning majority in the country. The most important is minorities' rising share of the vote. Whites accounted for 76 percent of the overall electorate last November, down from 85 percent in 1988.

In the last election, there were more than 2 million additional African American voters, about 2 million more Hispanic voters and about a million more Asian American voters. All are groups in which Obama increased the Democratic share of the vote over 2004. Frey estimated that minority voters in nine states made the difference in Obama's victory margin.

Republicans can't reverse the demographic trends; their only solution is to increase their share of the minority vote. Opposing Judge Sonia Sotomayor, Obama's Supreme Court nominee, because of her pride in being a Latina won't help solve that problem.

There was much attention paid to Obama's trouble winning the votes of white working-class voters. The bad news for Republicans is that these voters represent a declining share of the electorate.

Since 1988, that group's proportion of the national electorate has dropped by 15 percentage points. In Pennsylvania, Teixeira reported, it has declined by 25 percentage points. Teixeira reported that Obama actually won the votes of working-class whites ages 25 to 29; at this point, they appear more culturally liberal than their elders.

As the working-class vote shrinks, the college-educated vote increases, and Democrats are gaining a greater share of these voters. Democrats lost white college graduates by 20 percentage points in 1988 but by four points last November. That is another big reason they have gained strength in the suburbs.

Obama's strength among young voters was a staple of coverage throughout his bid for the White House, although as Keeter pointed out, he could have won in November without the votes of anyone younger than 30. But his margin was the biggest in several decades and that alone should worry Republicans.

Obama may appeal to younger voters, but their shift toward the Democrats predates his candidacy. "This really is not Obama," Keeter said. "Young voters were John Kerry's best age group. They were the Democratic candidates' best age group in the 2006 elections, and they were the best age group for other Democratic candidates in 2008."

Younger voters are more diverse demographically than older voters. In 2008, 62 percent were white, compared with 74 percent eight years earlier. Projections show young voters will become increasingly diverse. They are also less religious and more culturally liberal, two indicators of Democratic support.

GOP strategist Mike Murphy described this in Time magazine as a coming Republican ice age. Republicans will need a major shift to begin to reverse these trends. That could start if there is a backlash against Obama's governance -- and the president's agenda certainly will test the country's tolerance for a big dose of government. But Republicans will need to retool in other ways to make themselves more appealing to a changing population. That debate has barely begun.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

PURE

Your article doesnt cite one reason for the loss of GOP appeal. It accounts for whats happening but doesnt say why it happened. So the article is about as useful as predicting the future based on coin flips in the past.

 

[neonlyte]

Deja-Vu

Didn't we have the 'white supremacists' tag-line recently? Was that just an old guy's imagination?

Sorry... confusing 'white supremacists with white Christian minority.

Tell me Ami, old sparing partner, what's so great about being 'white'?

Or Christian... or Black, Yellow?

The best one can say for Barbarians is that the bastards keep re-emerging... they must be doing something right

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

White means you have a wealth of vocational options, it means you can swim, you wont get sickle cell anemia, it means you'll want an education, it means you'll want the responsibilities and joys of parenthood and marriage, it means blonde hair wont look strange on you. It means you wont likely experience a violent death. It means you wont spend your entire adult life like a yoyo between prison and your mom's house. It means you wont say AXE when you mean ASK.

 

[neonlyte]

White means you have a wealth of vocational options, it means you can swim, you wont get sickle cell anemia, it means you'll want an education, it means you'll want the responsibilities and joys of parenthood and marriage, it means blonde hair wont look strange on you. It means you wont likely experience a violent death. It means you wont spend your entire adult life like a yoyo between prison and your mom's house. It means you wont say AXE when you mean ASK.

I know... yo Pressy pisses me off... all dat equality shite... luv thy negro... an dem Pallystinians...

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

NEOLYTE

I forgot to add...if youre white you wont likely be held by a politician during a photo op, nor will the First Lady sit you on her knee and read a story to you.

 

[amicus]

Didn't we have the 'white supremacists' tag-line recently? Was that just an old guy's imagination?

Sorry... confusing 'white supremacists with white Christian minority.

Tell me Ami, old sparing partner, what's so great about being 'white'?

Or Christian... or Black, Yellow?

The best one can say for Barbarians is that the bastards keep re-emerging... they must be doing something right

~~~

What is 'so great', is being human and having the right to life, liberty and property protected from those who would use force to remove your rights.

Religion, in most cases, defined why their chosen 'God' made man in a variety of skin color and skills, and in most cases, selected the 'chosen few', to carry forth their vision of theology.

It took mankind a very long time to arrive at the 'Age of Reason', where the mind of man, reason and rationality, challenged those faith based systems that created the 'supremacy' of one group over another.

We are involved in the greatest experiment that man has thus far attempted, that of living together in peace by becoming the 'melting pot' of the world.

The 'Barbarians' as I classify them, are all who wish to return to the past where the 'select few' are privileged and the rest support them.

It takes great courage to live with free choice and individual independence from the group an even more stamina to maintain such an amazing experiment in the history of man.

Humankind now knows how wonderful freedom is and the wealth it can create, it will not easily be taken from those of us who cherish it.

Amicus

 

[cloudy]

oh, boo hoo, amicus. Get used to it. The "good ol' days" weren't all that great, anyway.

 

[amicus]

oh, boo hoo, amicus. Get used to it. The "good ol' days" weren't all that great, anyway.

~~~

Boo Hoo yourself, my lil redskin renegade rebellious twat, even your 'good times', weren't all that great. At least I do not have the vision of returning to the past, but creating an even better future. 'You are now free to move about...'



ami

 

[njailarhee]

It's guys like you that made my parents want to retire early.

 

[amicus]

It's guys like you that made my parents want to retire early.

~~~

Hello, 'virgin', let me guess, your parents were government employees. probably unionized teachers?

Just a guess...

Amicus Veritas...

 

[WRJames]

I had a World History teacher -- maybe ninth or tenth grade -- who assured us that the modern Greeks were not descended from the ancient Greeks, because the modern Greeks were so dark skinned. The ancient Greeks were pure white, just like their statues.

 

[xssve]

~~~

In my wanderings, I have stood on the Great Plains, on empty land and tendered the thought, 'nothing is for free, it all has to be created, and with purpose...', or something along those lines.

There is no need to 'subsidize' the Oil Industry, or Natural Gas or Coal Industries, they are profit making ventures that serve a need for energy.

On the other hand, the entire range of 'alternative energy schemes', are just that, schemes, and all subsidized by confiscated tax monies and all operate at a loss, accumulating an annual deficit and debt in addition to the initial investment that will never be recouped.

Earths' environment, the atmosphere, the oceans and fresh water reserves, have, in the past been truly assaulted by forces of nature a million times greater than all that man can produce, and recovered. I offer you Pinatubo, Tambora and Krakatoa, as examples of natural events that changed the environment of the entire earth, and yet, even with events of this magnitude, the earth recovered.

The effects man has had in his entire history is miniscule in comparison and you know it. Your entire environmental movement, global warming included, is all a huge political hoax, and you know that also.

The philosophy and psychology behind your efforts to enslave man and preserve nature indicate a truly troubled mind. You should seek assistance.

Amicus

Bullshit, coal, nuclear and Oil and gas are all heavily subsidized, the whole Iraq/Afghanistan boondoggle is an Oil subsidy, you're already enslaved.

 

[xssve]

On August 8, 2005, President Bush signed into the law the energy bill; on July 28,the U.S. House of Representatives voted 275 to 156 to approve the energy bill; and on July 29, the U.S. Senate voted 74 to 26 to approve the energy bill.

Since 2001, energy corporations have showered federal politicians with $115 million in campaign contributions—with three-quarters of that amount going to Republicans. This cash helped secure energy companies and their lobbyists exclusive, private access to lawmakers, starting with Vice-President Dick Cheney’s Energy Task Force, whose report provided the foundation of the energy bill passed by Congress and signed by President Bush on August 8.

This energy bill will do nothing to address America’s energy problems; rather, it will make matters worse. The United States is one of the largest producers of energy—for example, we are the third-largest producer of crude oil in the world—so our problem is not that we don’t produce enough energy, but that our rates of consumption are among the highest of all countries. Our economic competitors in Europe and Asia typically use half the energy per person than we do, which helps explain why the United States alone uses 25% of the world’s energy every day. Reflecting the fact that energy companies helped write the legislation, the energy bill lavishes these lucrative corporations with billions of dollars of taxpayer subsidies, while doing little to curb energy demand.

In addition to providing billions of dollars to already wealthy oil, nuclear and coal companies, the energy bill abandons consumers by repealing the Public Utility Holding Company Act (PUHCA), one of the most effective consumer and protection laws governing the power sector. With this law now gone, investment banks, hedge funds, insurance companies and oil companies will now be allowed to own utilities, giving these new corporate owners license to raid the utilities’ guaranteed revenue streams for use in leveraging non-utility acquisitions, opening the door to price-gouging of ratepayers.

The Best Energy Bill Corporations Could Buy: Summary of Industry Giveaways in the 2005 Energy Bill

 

[bigazzlvr]

Diversity is such a phony concept from the collectivists, you don't want diversity of opinion at all, you just want it all your way, and you can only deal with opposition by ridicule...as if that had any importance at all.Amicus

Beautifully fucking said!

 

[cloudy]

Beautifully fucking said!

Who the fuck are you?

 

[amicus]

Who the fuck are you?

~~~

Liberal Defintion: "Who the fuck are you to compliment Amicus?" (we don't permit that here!)



guess who?