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Aglaopheme said:
Derpy.....we’ve already had this discussion pages back. Barr is complicit by his own admission.
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You BELIEVE he is complicit because you have NADA to go forward on unless you can find a conspiracy theory to pin it on.

What you have is (as was said by uncle Joe) Truth over facts.

The FACTS are:

  • There was a whistleblower complaint.
  • The complaint was investigated and NOTHING was found.
  • Trump released both the complaint and the transcript for everyone to read. Again, nothing in there.
  • But, but, but... scream the D's. There HAS TO BE SOMETHING. That we haven't found it means there's a coverup.
  • Meanwhile, there's that pesky transcript making mockery of your entire talking point.

Good luck making some sort of "truth" out of those facts that flies with the voters.
 
icanhelp1 said:
Complicit to what?
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He's complicit in the crooked plot to keep Trump in the office he was duly elected into despite all the illegal things the D's are doing to unlawfully remove Trump from said office.
 
HisArpy said:
He's complicit in the crooked plot to keep Trump in the office he was duly elected into despite all the illegal things the D's are doing to unlawfully remove Trump from said office.
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That’s not complicit, that’s due diligence.
 
The kicker here is that Donny could admit to it all publicly, plead guilty in open court and do a full allocution, and the GeeBee BBs STILL wouldn't accept it.
 
HisArpy said:
You BELIEVE he is complicit because you have NADA to go forward on unless you can find a conspiracy theory to pin it on.

What you have is (as was said by uncle Joe) Truth over facts.

The FACTS are:

  • There was a whistleblower complaint.
  • The complaint was investigated and NOTHING was found.
  • Trump released both the complaint and the transcript for everyone to read. Again, nothing in there.
  • But, but, but... scream the D's. There HAS TO BE SOMETHING. That we haven't found it means there's a coverup.
  • Meanwhile, there's that pesky transcript making mockery of your entire talking point.

Good luck making some sort of "truth" out of those facts that flies with the voters.
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The fact is the process has zip to do with Barr, and the IG found it credible and Trump committed the very same crimes for all to see.
 
HisArpy said:
He's complicit in the crooked plot to keep Trump in the office he was duly elected into despite all the illegal things the D's are doing to unlawfully remove Trump from said office.
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I’m still looking for where it says an official impeachment inquiry doesn’t require a total vote in the house. I guess Pompeo doesn’t have to turn over any documents to the kangaroo court led by Adam Shitforbrains. Where did Nadler wander off to? Nancy must have ball gagged him for being stupid.
 
Aglaopheme said:
The fact is the process has zip to do with Barr, and the IG found it credible and Trump committed the very same crimes for all to see.
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The justice department said there’s no there there. Credible for further investigation not for a conviction to a crime. DOJ is the AG. Until Nancy strap’s on a pair this could conceivably continue all the way through Trrump’s second term.
 
icanhelp1 said:
The justice department said there’s no there there. Credible for further investigation not for a conviction to a crime. DOJ is the AG. Until Nancy strap’s on a pair this could conceivably continue all the way through Trrump’s second term.
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Which is exactly the problem. Remember that lardbutt is implicated also.
 


Y'all have sure got one helluva an economy.


The only thing the U.S. produces is noise, ambulance-chasers, paper shufflers, home pizzas.


U.S. automobile manufacturing has been destroyed. I walked around trying to find a U.S. nameplate in this area. I couldn't find one— not one. All the vehicles are Toyotas or Subarus or Hyundais or Volkswagens or Kias or BMWs or Mercedes.


No wonder your kids aren't living as well as their parents. You can't survive on gossip, hot air and paper.


Nobody in their right mind wants to make anything. If the bureaucrats don't kill you with regulations, or the UAW with economic illiteracy, the tort lawyers will destroy you with their ambulance-chasing.


​
 
jaF0 said:
Which is exactly the problem. Remember that lardbutt is implicated also.
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JaFO you ignorant slut. The problem is Adam Shitforbrains doesn’t know how to conduct an investigation and Nancy doesn’t know the correct protocol for impeachment.
 
HisArpy said:
You BELIEVE he is complicit because you have NADA to go forward on unless you can find a conspiracy theory to pin it on.

What you have is (as was said by uncle Joe) Truth over facts.

The FACTS are:

  • There was a whistleblower complaint.
  • The complaint was investigated and NOTHING was found.
  • Trump released both the complaint and the transcript for everyone to read. Again, nothing in there.
  • But, but, but... scream the D's. There HAS TO BE SOMETHING. That we haven't found it means there's a coverup.
  • Meanwhile, there's that pesky transcript making mockery of your entire talking point.

Good luck making some sort of "truth" out of those facts that flies with the voters.
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Just out of curiosity...what is your win-loss record in court?
 
icanhelp1 said:
JaFO you ignorant slut. The problem is Adam Shitforbrains doesn’t know how to conduct an investigation and Nancy doesn’t know the correct protocol for impeachment.
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Kindly explain what that protocol is and show evidence for said protocol. Because the Constitution doesn't say much other than the House beginning the process:

The House of Representatives shall choose their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.​

Here, however, is an excellent (for once) article about impeachment which clearly shows the House can do whatever it wants, whenever it wants, to a president:

That leaves the question of whether the clause imposes an affirmative duty on the House to monitor the conduct of those subject to impeachment, and, when evidence of impea-chable offenses is manifest, to initiate proceedings. It has been the general American practice regarding criminal law to grant considerable discretion to prosecutors, so that by analogy one could argue that the House has complete discretion to decide whether to initiate impeachment proceedings. On the other hand, Alexander Hamilton, in The Federalist No. 77, argued that the nation would find "republican" safety from a presidential abuse of power by the mode of his election and by his "being at all times liable to impeachment." There is no doubt that the Framers saw impeachment as a part of the system of checks and balances to maintain the separation of powers and the republican form of government. The implication is that when the President (or other impeachable official) has committed an impeachable offense, the Members of the House, bound by the oaths they take to uphold the Constitution, are under a particular obligation to deal with the miscreant's offenses, irrespective of whether their bill of impeachment may or may not lead to a conviction in the Senate.​

https://www.heritage.org/constitution/?_escaped_fragment_=/articles/1/essays/11/impeachment
 
As a side note to all the whiners talking about Biden, know that Republicans also pushed to have the Ukrainian prosecutor ousted.

CNN's KFile found a February 2016 bipartisan letter signed by several Republican senators that urged then-Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to "press ahead with urgent reforms to the Prosecutor General's office and judiciary."

The letter shows that addressing corruption in Ukraine's Prosecutor General's office had bipartisan support in the US and further undercuts a baseless attack made by President Donald Trump and his allies that Biden pressured the Ukrainian government to fire then Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin to stop investigations into a Ukrainian natural gas company that his son, Hunter Biden, sat on the board of. There is no evidence of wrongdoing by either Joe or Hunter Biden, nor is it clear whether Hunter was under investigation at all.
. . .
The 2016 letter, sent by members of the Senate Ukraine Caucus, was signed by Republican Sens. Rob Portman, Mark Kirk and Ron Johnson, as well as Democratic Sens. Dick Durbin, Jeanne Shaheen, Chris Murphy, Sherrod Brown, and Richard Blumenthal and focused on longstanding issues of corruption in Ukraine and urged reforms of the government.

"Succeeding in these reforms will show Russian President Vladimir Putin that an independent, transparent and democratic Ukraine can and will succeed," the letter reads. "It also offers a stark alternative to the authoritarianism and oligarchic cronyism prevalent in Russia. As such, we respectfully ask that you address the serious concerns raised by Minister Abromavičius. We similarly urge you to press ahead with urgent reforms to the Prosecutor General's Office and judiciary. The unanimous adoption by the Cabinet of Ministers of the Basic Principles and Action Plan is a good step."​

How about we start an investigation of those Republicans as well. After all, if it's such a big deal that we should want a corrupt prosecutor out of office, let's investigate everyone who pushed to have them removed.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/03/politics/gop-senators-echoed-biden-on-ukraine-reforms-kfile/index.html
 
Trump raised Biden with Xi in June call housed in highly secure server

Can't make this shit up. 🤷🤦
 
someoneyouknow said:
Kindly explain what that protocol is and show evidence for said protocol. Because the Constitution doesn't say much other than the House beginning the process:

The House of Representatives shall choose their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.​

Here, however, is an excellent (for once) article about impeachment which clearly shows the House can do whatever it wants, whenever it wants, to a president:

That leaves the question of whether the clause imposes an affirmative duty on the House to monitor the conduct of those subject to impeachment, and, when evidence of impea-chable offenses is manifest, to initiate proceedings. It has been the general American practice regarding criminal law to grant considerable discretion to prosecutors, so that by analogy one could argue that the House has complete discretion to decide whether to initiate impeachment proceedings. On the other hand, Alexander Hamilton, in The Federalist No. 77, argued that the nation would find "republican" safety from a presidential abuse of power by the mode of his election and by his "being at all times liable to impeachment." There is no doubt that the Framers saw impeachment as a part of the system of checks and balances to maintain the separation of powers and the republican form of government. The implication is that when the President (or other impeachable official) has committed an impeachable offense, the Members of the House, bound by the oaths they take to uphold the Constitution, are under a particular obligation to deal with the miscreant's offenses, irrespective of whether their bill of impeachment may or may not lead to a conviction in the Senate.​

https://www.heritage.org/constitution/?_escaped_fragment_=/articles/1/essays/11/impeachment
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Past impeachment precedent have had a full vote of the house. Constitutional scholars seem to interpret the lack of a vote could stymie any cooperation from the executive branch as far as documents and witnesses production falling under executive privilege. Just my humble opinion. Much of the impeachment process is untested and theory. no president has ever been removed from office, both acquitted.
 
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