Which Story Where - If At All?

[SexyChele]

Scenario #1:

Man invades the home of a woman and ties her up and gags her. He then proceeds to torture, beat, and rape her. The woman does not enjoy any of it at any time, nor does she acheive orgasm. The beating is brutal and violent. The rape full on non-consent in the most realistic way. The woman is in pain, a great deal of pain, yet her rapist gains full sexual gratification from this. He leaves her beaten, bruised, with perhaps a broken bone or two, and emotionally scarred for life.

Scenario #2:

Charming, handsome man meets a young woman in a bar. He slips a "date rape" drug into her drink when she isn't looking, then takes her home when the drugs begin to take effect. When she comes to, he waits until she is fully aware, fully cognizant of what is happening to her. She is bound and helpless. He proceeds to torture her, to beat her, to humiliate her. She is not "enjoying" this and does not orgasm. He rapes her before he rams a double barrel shotgun into her vagina and lets loose with both barrels, "mercifully" ending her life.

Which story do you think should be placed where here at Lit and why? Or do you feel neither story should be posted and why? Perhaps you feel one should and the other should not. Okay, which one should and which one shouldn't and why?

Curious to see what other writers here think.

Thanks, all!

 

[jfinn]

Before I tell you what I think about where they should be placed can I just say one word?

Yuck!

Okay, I feel better. Now, I wouldn't put either of these charming works in any of the main categories at Lit. They're both extreme and that's where they belong, in the Extreme section under Rape and Snuff (do they allow snuff even there?) respectively or whatever categories they have there that would fit those codes.

Anyway that's how I'd handle them. Then I'd go take a long, long shower.

Jayne

 

[Pookie]

Neither of these stories involves an erotic theme. They belong with other snuff and extremely violent stories. There is no attempt to arouse sexual love or desire in either of these plots. It might excite the type of person that likes setting cats on fire for the fun of it, or generate a perverted feeling similar to one like lust. But it's a lust for destruction, not love or sexual desire. That is not erotica.

 

[Svenskaflicka]

Neither of the stories belong on either Literotica nor the Extreme page. They are horrible and disgusting.

 

[LorriLove]

hiya

rape fantasy is fun, pretending to be ravished is fun, struggling a bit when you know you've gone to far is a polite thing to do, then lay back and enjoy the fun.

neither of these tales is erotic, both are violent and vile, i understand they do turn men on , and maybe even some women. but i don't think they belong here or any other public access site, 10 yr olds read stories here and elsewhere on the net whether you all want to admit it or not.

if you want to know what real rape's like, it's not fun believe me, specially to a 14 yr old.

lorri xxxxx

 

[Chicklet]

Scenario #1:

Man invades the home of a woman and ties her up and gags her. He then proceeds to torture, beat, and rape her. The woman does not enjoy any of it at any time, nor does she acheive orgasm. The beating is brutal and violent. The rape full on non-consent in the most realistic way. The woman is in pain, a great deal of pain, yet her rapist gains full sexual gratification from this. He leaves her beaten, bruised, with perhaps a broken bone or two, and emotionally scarred for life.

Scenario #2:

Charming, handsome man meets a young woman in a bar. He slips a "date rape" drug into her drink when she isn't looking, then takes her home when the drugs begin to take effect. When she comes to, he waits until she is fully aware, fully cognizant of what is happening to her. She is bound and helpless. He proceeds to torture her, to beat her, to humiliate her. She is not "enjoying" this and does not orgasm. He rapes her before he rams a double barrel shotgun into her vagina and lets loose with both barrels, "mercifully" ending her life.

Which story do you think should be placed where here at Lit and why? Or do you feel neither story should be posted and why? Perhaps you feel one should and the other should not. Okay, which one should and which one shouldn't and why?

Curious to see what other writers here think.

Thanks, all!

Both those scenario's qualify as "violent rape" - the "nonconsent" category on lit is for fictional, fun, ravishment fantasies. Not much real violence and I've never seen one where the character was killed.

Both those stories would belong in Extreme, in the "violent rape" category. The second story, though, since it involves death, turns me off just that much more. I don't know if I think that anything involving death belongs in erotica, but some people like it...so...guess it would have just as much of a chance.

Chicklet

 

[SexyChele]

Thank you to all who replied - I truly do appreciate hearing your opinions on this. And, before you begin to get some weird ideas about me, both scenarios are ones I personally find not only disgusting but a sign of possible disturbed behavior for people finding either erotic.

I am glad to know that other writers feel as I do. At least I know I'm not "off-base" on that.

Now, just to let you know: both of these stories could indeed be posted here at Lit - and not in the "Extreme" section. Nope, folks, they can be posted on page one. What's the trick? Pop them under the "Horror" category and they would, in all likelihood, be accepted and posted. The disclaimer on this category warns of violence and death - anything one would find in a horror movie or book.

I've thought about this all weekend, and though I am greatly disturbed at the possibilties this opens up, I had begun to think I was alone in my thinking. That's why I posted this little "test", and I'm glad to know other respected writers feel as I do. This will be my last word on the topic. This is Laurel's site, and she knows how I feel. That's all that matters.

Thanks again, all!

 

[openthighs_sarah]

I'm still feeling sick from the desriptions... Just for my own mental health, I'm adding the following addendum to each scenario:

At the end, the (male) narrator wakes up and is safely chained to the bedposts in an asylum, surrounded by his hallucinations. Fade to... a happy, bucolic scene involving marmots* or something. Queue pastoral music...

And this does put a new slant on the added category, doesn't it? But maybe Laurel would reject those stories anyway -- even if the wording (right now) suggests that they would be accepted, it's still a new category. She might change things if the submissions look like that. One hopes.


* No marmots are involved in anything sexual, here.

 

[oggbashan]

Yuck - but

I seem to have seen stories like this on Lit already under non-consent and BDSM.

Perhaps not stated so baldly but a precis of the stories could read like that.

Not my scene but some people like this sort of theme.
The "some people" are usually male.

Og. Who is male but still dislikes those themes.

 

[Pookie]

Thank you to all who replied - I truly do appreciate hearing your opinions on this. And, before you begin to get some weird ideas about me, both scenarios are ones I personally find not only disgusting but a sign of possible disturbed behavior for people finding either erotic.

I am glad to know that other writers feel as I do. At least I know I'm not "off-base" on that.

Now, just to let you know: both of these stories could indeed be posted here at Lit - and not in the "Extreme" section. Nope, folks, they can be posted on page one. What's the trick? Pop them under the "Horror" category and they would, in all likelihood, be accepted and posted. The disclaimer on this category warns of violence and death - anything one would find in a horror movie or book.

I've thought about this all weekend, and though I am greatly disturbed at the possibilties this opens up, I had begun to think I was alone in my thinking. That's why I posted this little "test", and I'm glad to know other respected writers feel as I do. This will be my last word on the topic. This is Laurel's site, and she knows how I feel. That's all that matters.

Thanks again, all!

I never thought that you would write either of those plots. I hope I didn't infer that in my post. But you certainly do raise a valid question through those examples, as to what Laurel will allow to be posted in the new category.

It will be interesting to see what stories get posted, and the posts that get made here by authors, complaining that their story was rejected.


Pookie

 

[oggbashan]

It will be interesting to see what stories get posted, and the posts that get made here by authors, complaining that their story was rejected.
Pookie

I have already submitted two stories for the erotic horror category. I wrote them some time ago but not for Literotica. Neither has been approved yet. I think one will be rejected but not for the reasons this thread has discussed.

I am writing another for that category. I hope that it will show that it is possible to write erotic horror and yet not disgust the readers. Ordinary horror fiction has a wide readership. Why should erotic horror be any different?

Og.

 

[Pookie]

I have already submitted two stories for the erotic horror category. I wrote them some time ago but not for Literotica. Neither has been approved yet. I think one will be rejected but not for the reasons this thread has discussed.

I am writing another for that category. I hope that it will show that it is possible to write erotic horror and yet not disgust the readers. Ordinary horror fiction has a wide readership. Why should erotic horror be any different?

Og.

I look forward to reading them.


Pookie

 

[SexyChele]

And this does put a new slant on the added category, doesn't it? But maybe Laurel would reject those stories anyway -- even if the wording (right now) suggests that they would be accepted, it's still a new category. She might change things if the submissions look like that. One hopes.

Actually, there is already a story of a man "snuffing" out a woman in the Erotic Horror category. It was the first story posted there. I asked Laurel about it, and when I checked back, the category had a disclaimer in stating simply that there will be violence and even death in these stories. Those who are offended by such topics should proceed with caution.

I never thought that you would write either of those plots. I hope I didn't infer that in my post. But you certainly do raise a valid question through those examples, as to what Laurel will allow to be posted in the new category.

No, I never took it to mean that you were implying anything. Just don’t want some one to read through this thread and think that my mind works this way!

I am writing another for that category. I hope that it will show that it is possible to write erotic horror and yet not disgust the readers. Ordinary horror fiction has a wide readership. Why should erotic horror be any different?

Og.

Actually, I think this category has a lot of potential and it might very well drawn in writers who have a special talent for writing in a way that can cause a chill to run up one’s spine while at the same time being highly erotic. There is another story in this category, “Bloody Mary”, that really reminds me of some of the old ghost stories we used to tell at slumber parties. (Minus the adult elements, of course!) I am interested in finding out what people contribute in this genre!

 

[pop_54]

Hi all

What can I add except to say glad to hear not too many folks seem to agree with this kind of crap as entertainment.

These two scenarios are the kind of thing you sadly read as fact in the weekend newspapers every week in most, ahem civilised countries.

I write the occasional mock rape story, a bit of a tease in the direction of forced sex and discomfort, but then I twist the end to take off the discomfort element, I don't think even my twisted perverse mind could wind up to describing death as a form or entertainment. I thought that went out with the Romans.
I also find extreme BDSM sick and worry about the sanity of those who enjoy it as entertainment.


pops two penny worth............

 

[Svenskaflicka]

SERIOUS QUESTION

I like detective novels, where the clever police man/woman captures the serial killer who axe murdered 8 people because they didn't agree with his/her view of the world.

I like horror movies, where brave youngsters defeat the horrible monster/capture the killer/manages to survive all attacks and moves to another town and takes a new identity... Like the Scream-movies and the Elm Street-movies. (Freddy Kreuger gives good glove... sorry, bad joke. Quote from an Elvira-song.)

I don't, however, like stories where women get raped and tortured and killed. That's not entertaining, that's not sexy.

Now for the Serious Question:

Before Erotic Horror was invented as a category, I had this series of 7 stories planned, in which the police are trying to capture a female serial killer, who's only trade mark is that she has sex with her victims before killing them. There are no details about the murders themselves, no descriptions about what happens to what bodypart, except for:

"I think this is the murder weapon," said inspector Halen, holding up a baseball bat. "It's got blood stains on it."

Now, would this also be considered too violent, too disgusting, too little erotic? I was planning on giving a lot of details of the pre-murder sex, you know...

I really think this could be a nice set of stories, building up the tension for the last chapter - will they catch the murderer? Was the murder on the rich business man an inside job?

But if I wrote this and posted it in said category, would you all boycott my story? *making puppydog eyes*

 

[pop_54]

Re: SERIOUS QUESTION

Now for the Serious Question:

Before Erotic Horror was invented as a category, I had this series of 7 stories planned, in which the police are trying to capture a female serial killer, who's only trade mark is that she has sex with her victims before killing them. There are no details about the murders themselves, no descriptions about what happens to what bodypart, except for:

"I think this is the murder weapon," said inspector Halen, holding up a baseball bat. "It's got blood stains on it."

Now, would this also be considered too violent, too disgusting, too little erotic? I was planning on giving a lot of details of the pre-murder sex, you know...

I really think this could be a nice set of stories, building up the tension for the last chapter - will they catch the murderer? Was the murder on the rich business man an inside job?

But if I wrote this and posted it in said category, would you all boycott my story? *making puppydog eyes*

Bit of a far cry from H.P. Svenska love, hehe. Would the murder weapon be a blood stained garden Gnome? Of course I wouldn't boycott you dear.

 

[Svenskaflicka]

lol

I have to widen my horizons, pop!

No HP in this series. No spells, no charms, no curses.

Just a little charm and a few cusses...

 

[SexyChele]

Svenska - it sounds like a great story you've got going there! I think it all comes down to presentation and writing skills. Writing a sex scene that is hot and steamy, then either switching to her picking up a baseball bat and cutting from the scene, or to having police find the victim would not be in the same realm as what I'm speaking of. A murder takes place, yes. Does the serial killer get sexual gratification from it? Or does she get a rush of power? Or is that the mystery?

Writing a murder/mystery/detective story is a great idea - and one I would look forward to reading!

Just to clarify here: Prior to the Horror category being added, I doubt either of these scenarios would have ended up being posted at Lit - and I do believe the rape only scenario would have ended up at the "Extreme" site. By posting a story a story of a man who "gets off" killing a woman, it set the bar very low for the category.

However, this might be changed if writers can develop horror stories that titilate and horrify and involve more of the imagination of the reader. Your story, Svenska, I think would be able to do this.

 

[Svenskaflicka]

I remember this play we put it up in senior high school, where I was the police investigating a murder, and I had 5-6 of my fellow classmates as suspects. The funny thing was that I was the only one who would know who the murderer was, none of my classmates had any idea if he/she was a murderer or an innocent person. They had to improvice the whole time.

I especially remember the twitching mouth corner of the guy that I accused of having committed murders in the past - among many, one of them was murdering a shop keeper with DENTAL FLOSS...

 

[MathGirl]

Marmots

* No marmots are involved in anything sexual, here.

Why not? You got something against marmots? I find them very sexy.
MG
Ps. What's a marmot?

 

[openthighs_sarah]

Re: Marmots

Why not? You got something against marmots? I find them very sexy.
MG
Ps. What's a marmot?

They're extremely sexy, but they're underaged and they belong in the Extreme section.

And I have no idea what they are.

 

[Svenskaflicka]

What if the marmot's over 18, and it's all consensual?

(Does ANYONE know what a marmot is?)

 

[oggbashan]

Re: Marmots

Ps. What's a marmot?

As all us Europeans know, marmots are delightful furry creatures who gambol around the mountain slopes of Austria, Switzerland and The Tirol. Their mating call is an eldritch screech imitated as the yodel answered by the deep note similar to the Alpenhorn. The deep notes come from the female.

The human inhabitants of the area have tried for thousands of years to imitate the mating calls of the marmot and failed.

The closest man has come to the mating call of the male marmot is achieved when a sharp-pointed shoe is forcefully applied to the dangly bits.

As for the female call, it is generally considered that Marlene Dietrich came closest with her remark "Come up and see me some time.".

In the mating season, the calls of the marmots are 24/7 which is why ski resorts are deserted in Spring.

I hope that this explanation is satisfactory. If not, since it is Spring in the Northern Hemisphere, a pair of marmots in heat can easily be despatched to MG's residence because marmots are unpopular in the home territories in this season.

Og.

 

[openthighs_sarah]

Re: Re: Marmots

As for the female call, it is generally considered that Marlene Dietrich came closest with her remark "Come up and see me some time.".

I thought that Anus Nin guy said that.

And it would still have to go in the Extreme section if it's human-marmot relations, however consensual. Unless we're talking about human marmots (weremots), then it's simple Non-Human.

 

[wildsweetone]

Very interesting thread SexyChele.

Can anyone tell me what are the exact requirements for 'horror' stories? It's a genre I've managed to avoid in life up until this point.

Is murder horror? Or, is it the way the murder is carried out that's horror?