Which category?

[Bramblethorn]

I guess for both you and Bramblethorn the betrayal came as the final step in a relationship that had deteriorated. Kind of burning the bridge completely.

No, I wouldn't put it like that at all.

One time was more my fault than hers; we were both going through stressful times, I was too preoccupied with my own problems and wasn't being a good partner, she'd tried to talk to me about it but I wasn't really hearing. When she told me about trying to hook up behind my back, that was an reality check that helped break me out of my tunnel vision. Things got better from there, and the attempted cheating itself has never been a bone of contention between us. We're still together and doing pretty well.

The other time, with a different person, hard to convey without giving more detail than I want to give here. But it came down to him being bullied by a manipulative person - the kind who threatens self-harm if they don't get their way - and being bad at saying no to people. That led to him breaking some important promises to me, and I got very angry about that, but I also understand that it didn't come out of selfishness or malice. The relationship didn't survive but we cared enough about one another to repair the friendship, and these days we're pretty close.

People are complicated and fallible. Sometimes we hurt one another, not because one person is Secret Devil Incarnate but because we're human. Nursing anger over those occasions doesn't strike me as an unhealthy choice.

And if you discovered that you are not the biological father of some or all of your children - that is the epitome of hell.

I imagine being surprised by that would be upsetting, but "epitome of hell" feells more than a little melodramatic. I suspect it has a lot to do with some guys being raised to think of their partners and children as possessions.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I suspect that some never knew true love because the concept is foreign to them. Some are so self-absorbed that any strong emotion for others besides themselves is redundant.

100% true, but I suspect we might not be in agreement about who those "some" are.

Fight for your mate, your offsprings, and your territory – what was relevant to a beetle half a billion years ago is suddenly irrelevant to them.

Things beetles do:

• fight for mates and territory (many species)
• eat dung
• get confused by my porch light and circle it until they bang into a wall and stun themselves
• get eaten by the spider that lives on my porch

Things beetles do not do:

• fight for their offspring (some rare exceptions do nurture young for a while, but most just drop their eggs and skedaddle before the young'uns hatch)
• get consumed with rage when the beetle they were courting ends up with a rival beetle instead
• log on to computers to make evo-psych arguments

Things beetles did not do half a billion years ago:

• exist.
• like, at all.

We probably ought to be selective in what we aim to emulate from them.

I'll risk my life so they can do whatever they want with theirs, but I won't let anyone preach to me about my upbringing.

I am proud to be a healthy silverback primate with adequate levels of testosterone.

Silverback (gorilla) facts:

• mostly vegetarian, aside from occasionally snacking on eating termites and ants
• critically endangered
• less closely related to humans than chimps or bonobos
• walk mostly on their knuckles; despite this, not known for posting misogynistic comments on LW
• penis is about 1-2 inches long when fully erect

 

[Bramblethorn]

And yet no one has ever betrayed me. Unlike you, whom everyone betrayed.
But you make sure to stay in good touch with them, because you know very well that they had a good reason to stab you in the back.

You're no better a mind-reader here than when you tried it earlier in this thread.

Even as a sperm donor, I wouldn't let you near my child, any child.

Why on earth would you be looking for a sperm donor for your child? That's fucked up, dude. Get help.

If I were a cuckoo I wouldn't dare lay an egg in your nest.

Sounds like I'm doing something right then!

And not just gorillas, chimps' new leader's back becomes silver, too, immediately after he takes power.

Holy fuck how do you guys pin so much of your identity on the animal kingdom while knowing so little about it, seriously.

A silverback is just an adult male gorilla. It's not a magical Boss Gorilla thing; their back hair turns silver as they reach adulthood, regardless of their dominance status. You could be the puniest adult male gorilla ever, kicked out of your troop and doing it solo, and you'd still be a silverback. While silverbacks often do compete for status, larger troops can have several living together - some have as many as eight. Here's a photo of a troop where you can clearly see two of those silvery backs showing:

https://gorillafund.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/blogo-1024x768.jpg

I've never heard of chimps developing silver backs, and searching on that isn't finding anything other than gorillas, so I think you've gotten yourself confused there. Here's a 2004 photo of Jiggs IV, a male chimp born somewhere around 1960, which makes him about 44 in this photo - a very respectable age for a chimp. (One of his owners claimed he was the original Cheeta in Johnny Weismuller's Tarzan movies, which would've made him much older, but the claim is bullshit.) Notice how his back is very much not silver.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/Cheeta.jpg

(Fun chimp fact: male chimps are mama's boys, and even as adults they often have a closer relationship with their mother than any other.)

But what does a freak like you have to do with nature?

oh no, insulted by a dude who can't decide whether to model himself on an animal that eats dung or one that flings it, however will I live with the shame.

 

[lovecraft68]

And yet no one has ever betrayed me. Unlike you, whom everyone betrayed.
But you make sure to stay in good touch with them, because you know very well that they had a good reason to stab you in the back.

Even as a sperm donor, I wouldn't let you near my child, any child. If I were a cuckoo I wouldn't dare lay an egg in your nest.

And not just gorillas, chimps' new leader's back becomes silver, too, immediately after he takes power.
But what does a freak like you have to do with nature?

Well this little rant proves that you have the full amount of testosterone required to be an opinionated knuckle dragger. Down to no one has ever betrayed you as if being betrayed makes you less of a person, especially if its a man. Everyone has been betrayed in someway by someone, that's base human nature in action. Evolved people can admit they've had issues, only the cold male insecurity crowd plays the no one has ever done anything to me cause...

Let people keep talking and its a matter of time before they go from reasonable to showing the true colors.


Perceived Alphas get their hair up like no other.

Do you drive an oversized pick up?

 

[lovecraft68]

People let me down but never stabbed me in the back, because I never gave them a reason to. When you get a good education and live around good people, you have no reason to look behind your back all the time. Toxic people attract toxic partners. I had a long career in high-tech. For 25 years I was around intelligent people. Who would've thought that my second exit and my love for literature would leave me too much free time, and introduce me to the dark side of humanity.

My wife has an electric car. I'm an environmentalist.

Your post proved you don't have the education you think you have. Not everyone who gets stuck in the back by someone deserves it. Often times its a case of the other person being a shit person.

Being an intelligent people also back stab and get shafted. In fact, I'll tell you it happens to them more because, like you, they think they're smarter than they are.

Intelligent people generally don't lower themselves to judge and cheap insults either.

I'll scratch the pick up as you made it clear its your self perceived intelligence you use to over compensate for other short comings.

 

[lovecraft68]

I think its time to invoke Kumquatqueen's law and start talking about Star Wars....Think they'll make another Death Star?

 

[Bramblethorn]

I think its time to invoke Kumquatqueen's law and start talking about Star Wars....Think they'll make another Death Star?

Probably, but it'll be just different enough that they can tell themselves "this one won't get blown up like all the others did". Instead of being another ball shape, they'll make it a fancy frisbee or something.

And then it'll get blown up just like all the others did ;-)

 

[lovecraft68]

Why would you marry a shit person

Ask your wife that question.

 

[SimonDoom]

Things beetles do:

• fight for mates and territory (many species)
• eat dung
• get confused by my porch light and circle it until they bang into a wall and stun themselves
• get eaten by the spider that lives on my porch

Things beetles do not do:

• fight for their offspring (some rare exceptions do nurture young for a while, but most just drop their eggs and skedaddle before the young'uns hatch)
• get consumed with rage when the beetle they were courting ends up with a rival beetle instead
• log on to computers to make evo-psych arguments

Things beetles did not do half a billion years ago:

• exist.
• like, at all.

Another thing about beetles: there are a lot of different kinds. When the scientist J.B. Haldane was asked if he could infer anything about God from his study of nature, he was reputed to have said, "An inordinate fondness for beetles." Beetles represent an estimated 40% of all species of insects and 25% of all species in the animal kingdom. Weird.

 

[Djmac1031]

Instead of starting my own thread on this, I hope RTM doesn't mind me jumping in on theirs.

My question is: when is an incest story NOT an incest story?

Without giving away the entire plot, I'm writing a new story where a father finds himself attracted to his daughter after seeing her nude.

I don't plan for them to actually have sex, but there is a role play / fantasy sequence where he has sex with someone while thinking of his daughter, and there will also be many discussions on the difference between THINKING about sex with a family member, and ACTING on those desires.

My initial thoughts are that because incest is a major theme, it would go in I/T.

My FEAR is it might piss of I/T readers when they discover dad never fucks his daughter.

There's also a major exhibitionist / voyeur theme, and if my two leads weren't related I'd say the story goes in that category.

Thoughts?

 

[ElectricBlue]

There's also a major exhibitionist / voyeur theme, and if my two leads weren't related I'd say the story goes in that category.

Thoughts?

Seems to me there's your answer, by following a trail down to its logical conclusion.

 

[Djmac1031]

Seems to me there's your answer, by following a trail down to its logical conclusion.

I suppose I could just let Laurel or whoever screens it decide where it ultimately goes.

I suppose a small disclaimer at the beginning about how it will feature incestuous themes would help as well, because non incest readers often don't like the theme showing up in a story not posted specifically as incest.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I suppose I could just let Laurel or whoever screens it decide where it ultimately goes.

I suppose a small disclaimer at the beginning about how it will feature incestuous themes would help as well, because non incest readers often don't like the theme showing up in a story not posted specifically as incest.

That would work, and Laurel would most likely add such a note if she agreed E&V was okay. I'd submit to your preferred category, with a note explaining why you don't want it to go into I&T. I've done that, and Laurel has agreed.

 

[yukonnights]

That would work, and Laurel would most likely add such a note if she agreed E&V was okay. I'd submit to your preferred category, with a note explaining why you don't want it to go into I&T. I've done that, and Laurel has agreed.

Or... based on Djmac's description of the proposed story — it seems that with the right story title, the focus on > "it will feature incestuous themes" might be used as the title itself. Some story title that foreshadows the fact that the protagonist is almost entrapped by his fantasies and thoughts of incestuous themes, etc. It seems to me that an incest story could be all fantasy and still be erotic incest? That might be a path to posting the story in Incest w/o fear of blow-back?

 

[Djmac1031]

Or... based on Djmac's description of the proposed story — it seems that with the right story title, the focus on > "it will feature incestuous themes" might be used as the title itself. Some story title that foreshadows the fact that the protagonist is almost entrapped by his fantasies and thoughts of incestuous themes, etc. It seems to me that an incest story could be all fantasy and still be erotic incest? That might be a path to posting the story in Incest w/o fear of blow-back?

It's really hard to try and describe the story without giving away the whole thing, although will anyone here really remember this discussion anyway? Lol.

What the hell:
Daughter comes home from summer vacation overseas to stay with divorced dad for a few weeks before going back to college.

She's now a nudist. Surprises dad by walking around naked and refusing to get dressed despite his objections.

The conflict isn't her trying to seduce him; it's her trying to convince him nudism is natural.

Of course he struggles with this, because he finds her attractive and aroused by her nudity despite her being his daughter.

As I said, the twist to this story will be they DON'T actually have sex. Which, of course, runs the risk of upsetting incest story fans looking for that outcome.

BUT, on the reverse end, if I post the story in Exhibitionist / Voyeur, and non-incest readers stumble across it, there's the risk of negative feedback from them for the incestuous THEMES.

So again my thoughts at this point is a disclaimer that somehow explains all this without completely spoiling the story lol.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Based on that elaboration, I'd submit to E&V with an "incest themes" note at the top. I reckon you'll get a better response there than in I&T, would just want the family sex. Your storyline is a little more subtle than that.

 

[Djmac1031]

Based on that elaboration, I'd submit to E&V with an "incest themes" note at the top. I reckon you'll get a better response there than in I&T, would just want the family sex. Your storyline is a little more subtle than that.

Yeah, that's my plan I think.

Now I just have to word the disclaimer properly lol.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Yeah, that's my plan I think.

Now I just have to word the disclaimer properly lol.

Laurel added this to my story:

"Editor's note: this submission contains scenes of incest or incest content."

Keep it simple. You don't need to explain anything in detail, and remember, you're supposedly dealing with adults on an adult erotica site. If they still get squicked when warned, that really is their problem, not yours.

 

[Lifestyle66]

Laurel added this to my story:

"Editor's note: this submission contains scenes of incest or incest content."

Keep it simple. You don't need to explain anything in detail, and remember, you're supposedly dealing with adults on an adult erotica site. If they still get squicked when warned, that really is their problem, not yours.

That's a good idea. Keep it simple. For my next swinger story to Loving Wives, I'll try adding the following:

"WARNING: This story contains extra-marital fun material of a swinger (ie. non-cuck/whore) relationship which may be disturbing for some readers. Reader discretion and maturity is advised.”

 

[ElectricBlue]

That's a good idea. Keep it simple. For my next swinger story to Loving Wives, I'll try adding the following:

"WARNING: This story contains extra-marital fun material of a swinger (ie. non-cuck/whore) relationship which may be disturbing for some readers. Reader discretion and maturity is advised.”

That's rag to a bull, though, isn't it?

You've got the trigger concepts, cuck and whore, then you add in the implied immaturity bit, to rile them. It seems to me, with this warning, you're deliberately throwing gasoline on the fire.

But maybe that's your intent, I don't know.

 

[Djmac1031]

That's rag to a bull, though, isn't it?

You've got the trigger concepts, cuck and whore, then you add in the implied immaturity bit, to rile them. It seems to me, with this warning, you're deliberately throwing gasoline on the fire.

But maybe that's your intent, I don't know.

Agreed. I mean, unless the intent is to intentionally have the story 1 Bombed and get a flood of hate comments...

 

[Lifestyle66]

That's rag to a bull, though, isn't it?

You've got the trigger concepts, cuck and whore, then you add in the implied immaturity bit, to rile them. It seems to me, with this warning, you're deliberately throwing gasoline on the fire.

But maybe that's your intent, I don't know.

That's a good point.

But let's face it: I've given such advanced notice in "Author's Notes" in other stories of "this involves EXTRA-MARITAL FUN", and they still 1-bomb and leave their hateful comments. So, what's the harm?

Did you read my "A Gathering of Trolls" LW story? Someone within the past hour or so even 1-bombed my latest story, so they fall and are as effective as so many raindrops on my stories.

BTW, I looked up the standard warnings applied to movies and "mature audience" was one which just seemed to jump out as appropriate. So, I'll think about that, but I still might "watch the 1-bombs drop!"