Which category?

[RTM]

I've started writing general erotica and have a story I'm doing which will be a series.
It's about a couple joining a swingers club and their adventures.
Which category is best suited for this?

 

[lovecraft68]

I'd say group sex is your best bet.

 

[SimonDoom]

Probably Group Sex.

If you throw in Exhibitionist elements, possibly Exhibitionist and Voyeur.

 

[MajorRewrite]

It would be a natural fit in Loving Wives.

 

[lovecraft68]

It would be a natural fit in Loving Wives.

If the husband/boyfriend is on board and the swinging is a full couple swap, it won't fit in LW.

That's mostly for those evil wives having sex outside the marriage while super moral victim hubby just has to deal with it.

I should add you might have been right a few years ago, but now so much now.

 

[RTM]

I think it would probably span a few, not sure on etiquette about a series crossing in multiple categories.

Both are into it with the first part involving the guy having sex with someone else, the wife in the middle of a circle jerk (off screen) and the two doing mutual masturbation.

 

[MrPixel]

You need to look no further than Group Sex. It says so right in the subtext on the index page: "Orgies, swingers, and others."

 

[RejectReality]

Yep, this works out perfectly as group sex. Category hopping generally doesn't yield good results, so pick a relevant, overarching theme and stick with it. In this case, that's Group Sex.

You haven't mentioned any content that could be problematic, but my experience is that so long as you're serving their primary kink of multiple partners, they're reasonably tolerant of including other kinks as well.

 

[lovecraft68]

To clarify what problematic content would be in group is if the man is bi sexual it can cause some issues, its a tough kink to find the proper place for. Other than that group is pretty accepting.

 

[Lifestyle66]

If the score is more important to you – go to GS
If the number of views is more important - LW
As others have mentioned before me, the morality police work overtime in LW, but if the characters are positive, everyone has fun (the husband is not humiliated), and it's well written – you can get a score above 4*

Exactly!

I write swinger-style stories and post about half of them to Loving Wives. In my experience, I get twice as many views there and more comments there than in Erotic Couplings or Group Sex. BUT about half of those comments are "cuck & whore" negative views from the morality police, and they always start with 1-bombing (rating it a 1 star) rather early.

My latest story of a happy swinger couple "The Real Gift: Her Fantasy" is a good example of a happy swinger couple story posted to Loving Wives just yesterday. It's about a couple who go to a swinger resort, and the husband sets the wife up to live out her fantasy scene. It's currently (just went public yesterday) rated 3.29 but with 216 raters and over 16,500 views!

So, if you're posting to Loving Wives and it's a happy swinger couple, you might expect to take at least a 1.0 lower star rating than in other categories.

 

[Lifestyle66]

I've started writing general erotica and have a story I'm doing which will be a series.
It's about a couple joining a swingers club and their adventures.
Which category is best suited for this?

Here's an example of the comments you would get with a happy swinger couple story in Loving Wives:

"by 26thNC  on 9 minutes ago

Cuck pimps for his whore on Valentines Day. How touching."


This is from my story "The Real Gift: Her Fantasy", just posted yesterday.

 

[RejectReality]

To clarify what problematic content would be in group is if the man is bi sexual it can cause some issues, its a tough kink to find the proper place for. Other than that group is pretty accepting.

True, but it is one of the most accepting categories for bi-male. That's not saying much, because it's fractional, but when it's more or less zero in most categories, it's relevant.

I'd say it's because when there's more than one M added to the equation, a level of proximity is absolutely necessary. With DP being a popular kink, there's going to be some skin on skin contact. Kinda hard to avoid. So the readership has developed some tolerance for it. Not much, but it's there.

 

[lovecraft68]

True, but it is one of the most accepting categories for bi-male. That's not saying much, because it's fractional, but when it's more or less zero in most categories, it's relevant.

I'd say it's because when there's more than one M added to the equation, a level of proximity is absolutely necessary. With DP being a popular kink, there's going to be some skin on skin contact. Kinda hard to avoid. So the readership has developed some tolerance for it. Not much, but it's there.

But DP situations are different than the guy blowing another guy or other sexual activities.

Let's face it most men think if two women share a guy, but don't touch each other its still somehow a lesbian experience, say that about two men and their head explodes. I see porn vids where the woman is giving two guys head and rubbing their cocks against each other, but somehow that's not bi or gay...and it might not be I'm just going by the adamant reaction of insecure men.

Two sisters share a guy its incest

Two brothers share a girl its of course not incest.

I'm being a bit snarky and generalizing, but let's face it, we've all seen enough comments to know this is a prevailing double standard.

 

[Lifestyle66]

26thNC has literally been reading everything in LW for years. He is to be commended for his persistence.

I don't understand how people can read something they don't like, but hats off to those who do.

Some people have no other life than to do things like 26thNC: Following the work of others, merely to hate it.

Once I realized that, I take 26thNC's comments in stride. I entertained him!

 

[RejectReality]

But DP situations are different than the guy blowing another guy or other sexual activities.

Let's face it most men think if two women share a guy, but don't touch each other its still somehow a lesbian experience, say that about two men and their head explodes. I see porn vids where the woman is giving two guys head and rubbing their cocks against each other, but somehow that's not bi or gay...and it might not be I'm just going by the adamant reaction of insecure men.

Two sisters share a guy its incest

Two brothers share a girl its of course not incest.

I'm being a bit snarky and generalizing, but let's face it, we've all seen enough comments to know this is a prevailing double standard.

Without a doubt the double standard is strong. I've just seen a few stories that push the line still come away with good numbers and minimal hate comments in Group, where it would be like a bomb dropped in other categories. You can sneak a little in and not have the majority of the readership revolt.

 

[Lifestyle66]

...
Let's face it most men think if two women share a guy, but don't touch each other its still somehow a lesbian experience, say that about two men and their head explodes. I see porn vids where the woman is giving two guys head and rubbing their cocks against each other, but somehow that's not bi or gay...and it might not be I'm just going by the adamant reaction of insecure men.

Two sisters share a guy its incest

Two brothers share a girl its of course not incest.

I'm being a bit snarky and generalizing, but let's face it, we've all seen enough comments to know this is a prevailing double standard.

I think you're making an assumption there.

In the comments I read, there's not usually enough detail to objectively determine what turned off the reader. Most of the negative comments I read from threesomes are calling the characters (and author) "cuck pimping out his whore". Their references to a husband sharing his wife in an MFM may call the husband a gay-wannbee, because they're probably (as stated in a few comments) assuming he wants to clean out the other guys cum from her afterwards.

And no one has yet commented calling it "lesbian" for the FF interaction in my latest story. But that was posted to LW, not Incest, or any of the other categories. So, the category readership mindset may be driving some of your generalizations.

 

[Lifestyle66]

I've started writing general erotica and have a story I'm doing which will be a series.
It's about a couple joining a swingers club and their adventures.
Which category is best suited for this?

Here's another very good example comment which underscores what the Loving Wives readers want:
"by Merlin_the_Magician  on 58 minutes ago

It’s really a shame but I don’t like any of your endings. I know you tried to give us options and they were imaginative- but didn’t satisfy my blood lust. My 1st wife cheated on me and it hurt deeply and I divorced her. I didn’t retaliate but alway hated that I didn’t. She died and I never forgave her. I hope she is burning in hell. I know I’ve been through hell myself and I really wish I’d had the necessary skill and balls to get even with her. Keep up the good work. MtM"



This is from a story I posted two weeks ago in LW ("Just Once... Damaging Choices"), and it was about a response from the husband to his cheating wife. I gave the readers five short epilogues for five different ways it could finally end. The one epilogue I described as "burn-the-bitch" was not violent, and she effectively burned herself with her own poor decisions.

This reader is looking for much more direct action by the husband in deliberately destroying his ex-wife. And those types of scorched -Earth-against-the-cheater tends to rate much higher in Loving Wives.

 

[yowser]

26thNC has literally been reading everything in LW for years. He is to be commended for his persistence.

I don't understand how people can read something they don't like, but hats off to those who do.

I've always regarded a 'trash' comment from him as the Gold Star sign of quality. Meant you were doing something right. At least he puts his name to the comment.

Took him four years to get around to one of mine, felt like I'd hit the gold mine. Here's the comments exchange:

26th: Jim the cuck enjoys his whorewife after her gangbang. Lowest of the low.

Me: Endorsed!
Finally, four years later, my story gets dissed by 26thNC. The stamp of quality...

26th (took another year for this one, got to admire the persistence you note): Thank you for the recognition yowser.

 

[lovecraft68]

Without a doubt the double standard is strong. I've just seen a few stories that push the line still come away with good numbers and minimal hate comments in Group, where it would be like a bomb dropped in other categories. You can sneak a little in and not have the majority of the readership revolt.

When 'not as much hate" is the best we get, you know its tough sledding.
I imagine fetish might not be too bad either, but smaller readership.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Such a comment melts the heart and reminds that while for us, it's just a story, for some it's a searing trauma that will never heal.

I've never been cheated on (not that I know of, anyway) but I and many others like to read about it. God forbid what a terrible pain it must be in real life.

I've been cheated on, and it sucked, but it's not obligatory to turn it into a lifelong source of rage like some of the LW commenters do.

 

[lovecraft68]

I've been cheated on, and it sucked, but it's not obligatory to turn it into a lifelong source of rage like some of the LW commenters do.

Same here, its how my first marriage ended, and she was a real piece of work after that with some of the things she did with my kids. Yet somehow I managed not to hate or blame the entire female gender and froth over fictional accounts of cheating.

 

[RTM]

Thank you for the advice, I think I'll stick it in the group sex will go there. The Loving wives sounds like a rollercoaster with comment, most I get in the celeb section is nit picking one or two spelling errors which apparently ruin the entire story.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I think it would probably span a few, not sure on etiquette about a series crossing in multiple categories.

Both are into it with the first part involving the guy having sex with someone else, the wife in the middle of a circle jerk (off screen) and the two doing mutual masturbation.

As you can see in about five minutes, and from the comments made in this thread, when you join Lit and begin to learn its landscape, you need to make a decision very early on, "Will I ever write in Loving Wives?"

Once that decision is made, and you realise there is a chasm across the centre of Lit, decide which side of the bridge you want to be on, and don't cross it. From that point on, your category decision making becomes simple.

Other than that fundamental choice (which you make by reading a few LW stories and their commentary, and deciding it's for or not you), the best advice is, don't category swap.

 

[lovecraft68]

I guess for both you and Bramblethorn the betrayal came as the final step in a relationship that had deteriorated. Kind of burning the bridge completely. If you lived in a complete illusion and it blew up in your face one day - that's terrible. And if you discovered that you are not the biological father of some or all of your children - that is the epitome of hell.

Mine was the last straw in a train wreck, I know she did it because she knew it would be the end. Her mistake was she wanted me to find out thinking I'd do something to the guy and give her leverage with custody with my daughters. My take was it takes two and she's your problem now.

In my case my kids are mine. Every time they open their mouths or do something crazy I become more and more convinced of that.

 

[MrPixel]

Similar story here. I was married for 7 years, she was married for maybe 2. I was a clueless schmuck with fantasies about a house in the suburbs with white picket fence, Volvo in the garage, and 2.2 exceptional children. Reality never crossed my mind, even knowing about two "female medical issues" that I (long after) came to understand were abortions of fetuses not mine. I thank her in absentia for that, as the legal principles at the time would have made them my responsibility.

I've mellowed considerably about it all, even about the especially cruel way she left things. Looking back, on the advice of our marriage counselor she did make a shallow attempt to draw me into her Hollywood sex-and-drugs lifestyle, but there was that clueless schmuck thing again. If I knew then what I know now about myself, I would have played with. Though not the drugs part; intoxication has never been "a thing" for me.