When does NH become EH?

[LaRascasse]

For what kind of non-human creature is EH the more appropriate category? Technically, ghosts, succubi and others should come in the NH basket itself, right?

What about humans who are not real? Schizophrenic illusions. Where do they come? (Assuming they are not illusions of people who the character knew once. Just erotic figments of imagination.)

#CrazyPlotBunnyBrewing

 

[Euphony]

For what kind of non-human creature is EH the more appropriate category? Technically, ghosts, succubi and others should come in the NH basket itself, right?

What about humans who are not real? Schizophrenic illusions. Where do they come? (Assuming they are not illusions of people who the character knew once. Just erotic figments of imagination.)

#CrazyPlotBunnyBrewing

Wouldnt the horror bit be the pivot? I mean, a my little pony is non human but (hopefully) not in horror..

Id think its the expectation of some sort of horror/fright that sets them apart.

Also, horror doesnt need non humans though they are very much in a lot of horror works.

 

[Stella_Omega]

When the focus is on the horror. ER can be all human, after all. And nonhuman can be as fluffy as bunnies. Sentient bunnies.

Sentient bunnies from outer space.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Jinx, euphony

 

[3113]

What's the tone of the story?

What about humans who are not real? Schizophrenic illusions. Where do they come? (Assuming they are not illusions of people who the character knew once. Just erotic figments of imagination.)

I don't think they'd go into Non-Human if they're figments of the person's crazy imagination rather than actual beings. Non-Human is a catch-all for "real" but non-human creatures in a story that isn't "Horror" nor "Fantasy." Usually the story takes place in modern times (Fantasy/Sci-Fi implies otherworldly, and not here/now), and it's not scary. So, someone in the here/now having sex with a guardian angel, for example. Or a romantic story of a person with a ghost (the ghost and Mrs. Muir type thing) rather than a frighting story of a love affair with a ghost. Or a friendly werewolf as compared to a scary one. Or a genie that appeared out of their computer rather than a typical Arabian Night's tale (which would seem more right for the Fantasy category).

A story of someone who is crazy and having sex with illusions--not actual beings from his head...where that goes really depends on what kind of story it is. It isn't Non-human because they'd have to be real for that category. But it could be erotic horror if the delusions lead to some tragic or terrible conclusion. Erotic Horror isn't just about what you have sex with, but how it all comes out--i.e. scary, not nice.

If the person has a different sort of experience--laughable, for example, then it might be Humor; or if he/she was both the person having sex with the illusion and the illusion, then it might be masturbation...It all depends on the tone of the story.

 

[Euphony]

Jinx, euphony

Dont you have to buy me a Coke or something.

Or is it we do coke?

Oh how I miss the 80s.

 

[Euphony]

When the focus is on the horror. ER can be all human, after all. And nonhuman can be as fluffy as bunnies. Sentient bunnies.

Sentient bunnies from outer space.

I am strangely in love with this idea. Maybe sans the outer space bit.

Watership Down meets Melrose Place? I dunno. Something with bunnies and a lot of people who do it like bunnies.

 

[PennLady]

When the focus is on the horror. ER can be all human, after all. And nonhuman can be as fluffy as bunnies. Sentient bunnies.

Sentient bunnies from outer space.

Sentient bunnies from outer space with tentacles.

 

[annanova]

When the focus is on the horror. ER can be all human, after all. And nonhuman can be as fluffy as bunnies. Sentient bunnies.

Sentient bunnies from outer space.

Everyone knows that bunnies are evil.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Sentient bunnies from outer space with tentacles.

You and me, babe

 

[Euphony]

Sentient bunnies from outer space with tentacles.

We've opened a door here I regret.

Follow up: Are sentient bunny from outer space tentacles luckier, lucky as, or not as lucky as the foot?

 

[voluptuary_manque]

You and me, babe

Sentient? Yes. Tentacles? Hell, yes! Bunnies . . . ? Uh . . .

 

[Stella_Omega]

No, the space bunnies don't have tentacles-- the space bunnies are with tentacles.

Ms. Penn can do the bunnies, I'll do the tentacles.

I'm scouring the internet for an image from an 80's suntory beer commercial. Some pretty-boy type is standing at an infinity-long bar, on the deck of a pirate ship sailing through galactic seas. The barmaid is a buxom rabbit. With green eyes. I think.

 

[Darkniciad]

It's Erotic Horror when there's horror involved. Just having ghost, goblins, or vampires doesn't qualify, IMO. That's what the Non-Human category is for.

If there isn't a deeply disturbing or dark edge to it, then it isn't horror to me.

 

[Euphony]

No, the space bunnies don't have tentacles-- the space bunnies are with tentacles.

Ms. Penn can do the bunnies, I'll do the tentacles.

I'm scouring the internet for an image from an 80's suntory beer commercial. Some pretty-boy type is standing at an infinity-long bar, on the deck of a pirate ship sailing through galactic seas. The barmaid is a buxom rabbit. With green eyes. I think.

Im very sorry your employer has done away with your prescription drug plan.

Perhaps we can take up a fund here to get you back on your meds.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

There is no drug to treat the artistic temperament . . . thank God!

 

[Stella_Omega]

Im very sorry your employer has done away with your prescription drug plan.

Perhaps we can take up a fund here to get you back on your meds.

Nooo! I swear, I remember seeing it! It was on TV!

 

[Euphony]

Nooo! I swear, I remember seeing it! It was on TV!

I dont know whether this joke was only mildly amusing or if it suffers in the face of your

"No no WITH tentacles"

brilliance.

The nuanced comedy there was so "you."

Id signature it but nobody would understand save maybe PennLady.

 

[LaRascasse]

I don't think they'd go into Non-Human if they're figments of the person's crazy imagination rather than actual beings. Non-Human is a catch-all for "real" but non-human creatures in a story that isn't "Horror" nor "Fantasy." Usually the story takes place in modern times (Fantasy/Sci-Fi implies otherworldly, and not here/now), and it's not scary. So, someone in the here/now having sex with a guardian angel, for example. Or a romantic story of a person with a ghost (the ghost and Mrs. Muir type thing) rather than a frighting story of a love affair with a ghost. Or a friendly werewolf as compared to a scary one. Or a genie that appeared out of their computer rather than a typical Arabian Night's tale (which would seem more right for the Fantasy category).

A story of someone who is crazy and having sex with illusions--not actual beings from his head...where that goes really depends on what kind of story it is. It isn't Non-human because they'd have to be real for that category. But it could be erotic horror if the delusions lead to some tragic or terrible conclusion. Erotic Horror isn't just about what you have sex with, but how it all comes out--i.e. scary, not nice.

If the person has a different sort of experience--laughable, for example, then it might be Humor; or if he/she was both the person having sex with the illusion and the illusion, then it might be masturbation...It all depends on the tone of the story.

Returning to my conundrum, the illusions are not particularly malevolent or "horrific", to start with atleast. They gradually get worse as the protag goes deeper into insanity. By your logic the last chapter can be EH, but I need to figure out what a hallucinatory Romance is before that.

 

[PennLady]

We've opened a door here I regret.

Follow up: Are sentient bunny from outer space tentacles luckier, lucky as, or not as lucky as the foot?

I'm figuring if a bunny has been separated from its foot, neither is particularly lucky.

It's Erotic Horror when there's horror involved. Just having ghost, goblins, or vampires doesn't qualify, IMO. That's what the Non-Human category is for.

If there isn't a deeply disturbing or dark edge to it, then it isn't horror to me.

I agree. I think something has to happen that seriously upsets the character's world view, but not just that. It has to, at least sometimes, pull the character into a dark place, physically or mentally -- probably the latter more than the former -- that the character may or may not get out of. If they do get out, they are changed, or even damaged.

But simply meeting a ghost, goblin, werewolf, vampire, etc., does not equal horror.

I dont know whether this joke was only mildly amusing or if it suffers in the face of your

"No no WITH tentacles"

brilliance.

The nuanced comedy there was so "you."

Id signature it but nobody would understand save maybe PennLady.

And maybe not even me, since I don't have sigs set to display. I actually was envisioning bunnies that had tentacles, but almost strictly for Stella's benefit. Hmmm, then it might not qualify for Lit on the bestiality rule... hmmm... okay, the bunnies and tentacles can be separate.

 

[LaRascasse]

*Bangs head on wall*

Oh well, worth a shot. I guess I'll go one step above Random Discussions Inc. and ask Queen Laurel herself. Where do lovable hallucinations end up before they become horrific?

 

[3113]

Erotic Horror

Returning to my conundrum, the illusions are not particularly malevolent or "horrific", to start with atleast. They gradually get worse as the protag goes deeper into insanity. By your logic the last chapter can be EH, but I need to figure out what a hallucinatory Romance is before that.

You don't want to split your story (chapter by chapter) into different categories. That makes it hard for readers to follow it. (1) Some expect all the chapters to be in the same category and if chapter 4 isn't there--if it's moved From Romance to EH--they assume you stopped writing it--and they stop reading it. (2) If they do manage to follow it category to category, they may not like the category it ends up in. If it starts off as a beautiful romance, but ends up as Horror, they could get very upset with you because you implied to them, at Chapter 1, that this was going to be a beautiful romance--and they hate scary stories so why did you do that to them?

If it's going to develop into a scary story of someone's imaginary lovers taking control of him/her in an eventually frightening way, then put it in Erotic Horror and keep it there. There have been some hauntingly beautiful and very romantic tales in Erotic horror. Just because your early chapters don't start off scary doesn't mean the story doesn't belong there. Read any horror novel and you'll find that a lot of them don't start off scary...they get scary chapter by chapter.

 

[redhot_363236]

Sentient bunnies from outer space with tentacles.

That's why you should never mis-pronounce a line from the Necronomicon ......

 

[Stella_Omega]

Returning to my conundrum, the illusions are not particularly malevolent or "horrific", to start with atleast. They gradually get worse as the protag goes deeper into insanity. By your logic the last chapter can be EH, but I need to figure out what a hallucinatory Romance is before that.

By my lights-- if it ends in horror then it was horror all the time.
Which means that you'd might think about a writing in a way that assures your readers during those fluffy first chapters, that horror is coming. The ones that want it will leave if they think they aren't getting it, and the ones that want no horror will be pretty upset when it turns out that way.