When Comfortably Compartmentalized Conflicting Concepts Clash

[CornusKousa]

Cornus does. He calls those who make their free choice to have the vaccine UnAmerican.

Labelling those who make a free choice that you don't agree with makes Cornus an authoritarian - a term he uses as abuse not knowing that he is the most guilty of it.

More outright lies Oggbashan will never back up with anything but his own batshit claims.

I guess despite direct refutation he'll just keep telling this lie.

MY TURN!!!

Oggbashan has a thing for torturing small animals and abusing the elderly.... let us hope he doesn't get an eye for the youth.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Cornus does. He calls those who make their free choice to have the vaccine UnAmerican.

In fairness to our little Japanese welfare queen, he calls anyone who disagrees with him "UnAmerican".

 

[oggbashan]

Cornus' own posts prove my assertions.

All he can offer as a retort is unsubstantiated abuse.

Sad little troll.

 

[CornusKousa]

In fairness to our little Japanese welfare queen, he calls anyone who disagrees with him "UnAmerican".

No, just the the ones who promote politics antithetical to the values and very structure/existence of the nation as you do.

Cornus' own posts prove my assertions.

All he can offer as a retort is unsubstantiated abuse.

Sad little troll.

No, they don't, that's why you didn't cite anything.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/5fa06c57cde7bc5e6f70586d2a69f2ef/tenor.gif?itemid=4860245

As for the abuse, I'm just returning the favor ogg.... you gonna go make up wild lies about me? Don't be shocked when you get the same back plus a little extra in return.

 

[oggbashan]

I don't need to cite anything, Cornus. You hurl insults around in every thread whenever someone doesn't accept your ridiculous assertions.

Have a jab is not unamerican. the US government is not trying to insert bots in every citizen, nor has it mandated that everyone should have the jab.

Your paranoia is futile and totally unjustified by the reality.

 

[CornusKousa]

I don't need to cite anything, Cornus.

You CAN'T because you fucking lied.

Have a jab is not unaemricqan. the US government is not trying to insert bots in every citizen, nor has it mandated that everyone should have the jab.

Your paranoia is futile and totally unjustified by the reality.

I never said they were, you're STILL lying.

Your lies are not my paranoia.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer and never trashed anyone for choosing to get any vaccine ever as I was one of the very first to get the covid vaxxine myself.

You're an absolute nut case.

 

[oggbashan]

Poor Sky-is-Falling malaprop Cornus.

He can't get over having a Democrat President so he has to flail around to attack everything.

Trump lost! Get over it or drive yourself to an early grave.

 

[CornusKousa]

Poor Sky-is-Falling malaprop Cornus.

He can't get over having a Democrat President so he has to flail around to attack everything.

Trump lost! Get over it or drive yourself to an early grave.

More fantasies from ogg...... I never claimed Trump won.

I don't mind a (D) Potus anymore than I did an (R), I'm not under the false impression they are some sort of end all be all god kings most do.

You're just either woefully mistaken about who you think I am or a totally full of shit liar.

 

[Rightguide]

Vaccine mandates are not Marxist solutions. Though I hope any Marxist would see the sense of them.

Marxism is a totalitarian solution for economic and social control. Nationwide Vaccine mandates that are stood up under authority not authorized in our Constitution, are de facto totalitarianism, and repugnant to the American people, and the enumerated powers of defined in the Constitution.

 

[pecksniff]

Marxism is a totalitarian solution for economic and social control.

No, Stalinist Communism is, but Marxism as such is not. (Marx was always vague on operational details.)

Nationwide Vaccine mandates that are stood up under authority not authorized in our Constitution, are de facto totalitarianism, and repugnant to the American people, and the enumerated powers of defined in the Constitution.

You sound like one of those idiots in the 1930s screaming about the New Deal as Bolshevism. Or, worse, one of those idiots in the 1960s screaming about the "Federal Bureau of Integration."

Disease-control measures are a long-acknowledged power and function of government at all levels. You have no basis to call it unconstitutional -- and, in any case, not everything unconstitutional is totalitarian.

 

[Rightguide]

No, Stalinist Communism is, but Marxism as such is not. (Marx was always vague on operational details.)



You sound like one of those idiots in the 1930s screaming about the New Deal as Bolshevism.

Disease-control measures are a long-acknowledged power and function of government at all levels. You have no basis to call it unconstitutional -- and, in any case, not everything unconstitutional is totalitarian.

Show me its enumerated constitutional basis.

 

[pecksniff]

Show me its enumerated constitutional basis.

Oh, no. Anyone who challenges the constitutionality of something bears the burden of making the case. And such must be made in light of established law supporting very expansive federal powers by no means limited by the enumerated powers of Article 1.

 

[phrodeau]

Show me its enumerated constitutional basis.

Page one: “Promote the General Welfare.”

 

[Lazaran]

Page one: “Promote the General Welfare.”

Deplorables don't have the attention span to read that far.

*bigliest chuckles*

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Page one: “Promote the General Welfare.”

That isn't an enumerated power, and confers none of the federal government.

 

[phrodeau]

That isn't an enumerated power, and confers none of the federal government.

Article I Section 8.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Do you see it now?

 

[Rightguide]

Oh, no. Anyone who challenges the constitutionality of something bears the burden of making the case. And such must be made in light of established law supporting very expansive federal powers by no means limited by the enumerated powers of Article 1.

There is no enumerated power in Article II that enables the CinC to mandate vaccines across the board on the American people. Legally his EOs can only apply to the Executive branch of government, he has zero authority over the Congress. Congress would be exempt under the separation of powers doctrine of the Constitution itself. President Biden is an ignorant idiot. In the absence of a declaration of war, the President's EO have no legality over the American people at large. Any Presidential order stating that OSHA enforce vaccination mandates will be years on courts all over the land, as such authority does not exist in the statutes that created it. Congress could try and issue a national mandate under the Commerce Clause but that is an extreme stretch as well. Nobody in the government can be exempt from a law proposing to bind the whole of the American people.

 

[pecksniff]

There is no enumerated power in Article II that enables the CinC to mandate vaccines across the board on the American people. Legally his EOs can only apply to the Executive branch of government, he has zero authority over the Congress. Congress would be exempt under the separation of powers doctrine of the Constitution itself. President Biden is an ignorant idiot. In the absence of a declaration of war, the President's EO have no legality over the American people at large. Any Presidential order stating that OSHA enforce vaccination mandates will be years on courts all over the land, as such authority does not exist in the statutes that created it. Congress could try and issue a national mandate under the Commerce Clause but that is an extreme stretch as well. Nobody in the government can be exempt from a law proposing to bind the whole of the American people.

No, you haven't made the case. For one thing, the enumerated powers are in Article I. And no, doing this under the Commerce Clause would not be a stretch.

 

[icanhelp1]

Article I Section 8.


Do you see it now?

Congress legislates and creates laws they don’t mandate. Congress is supposed to be subordinate to its constituency not the federal government.

 

[phrodeau]

There is no enumerated power in Article II that enables the CinC to mandate vaccines across the board on the American people. Legally his EOs can only apply to the Executive branch of government, he has zero authority over the Congress. Congress would be exempt under the separation of powers doctrine of the Constitution itself. President Biden is an ignorant idiot. In the absence of a declaration of war, the President's EO have no legality over the American people at large. Any Presidential order stating that OSHA enforce vaccination mandates will be years on courts all over the land, as such authority does not exist in the statutes that created it. Congress could try and issue a national mandate under the Commerce Clause but that is an extreme stretch as well. Nobody in the government can be exempt from a law proposing to bind the whole of the American people.

Good luck proving the case in court that anyone is harmed by a safe, effective and free vaccine.

 

[Rightguide]

No, you haven't made the case. For one thing, the enumerated powers are in Article I. And no, doing this under the Commerce Clause would not be a stretch.

There are enumerated powers of the President as well. It would be an unquestionable legal stretch to use the Commerce Clause to mandate a vaccine. I dare Congress to try it. They won't, they like their jobs.

 

[ll74]

They are arguing nothing. The mandates will stand.


They don't like it


Poor babies....nobody cares.

The mandates say get the vaccine or get tested frequently
...pick one and stfu

 

[CornusKousa]

They are arguing nothing. The mandates will stand.


They don't like it


Poor babies....nobody cares.

The mandates say get the vaccine or get tested frequently
...pick one and stfu

Only for blue shit holes.

The rest of us aren't doing it and you can kiss our ass.

 

[phrodeau]

You CAN'T because you fucking lied.



I never said they were, you're STILL lying.

Your lies are not my paranoia.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer and never trashed anyone for choosing to get any vaccine ever as I was one of the very first to get the covid vaxxine myself.

You're an absolute nut case.

Only for blue shit holes.

The rest of us aren't doing it and you can kiss our ass.

You admit that you’re vaccinated. Who’s “the rest of us?”

 

[CornusKousa]

You admit that you’re vaccinated. Who’s “the rest of us?”

People who are against executives on a power trip who think they can mandate it.