What's your quick-fix solution?

[Aphro]

Build a fence around Montana, let all the wingnuts move there, and have a go at trying to have their libertarian utopia.

Once it collapses (like 2 weeks later), go in and collect all their valuables, pay down the deficit, and the world would be perfect.

Why not California? I thought most of the wing nuts were there already, and isn't California going to drop off into the ocean eventually, anyway?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Did you know that Lysol used to actually...recommend that? As part of a daily ritual of cleanliness

(podcast about bad advertising history)

LYSOL destroys most biotics on contact. I usta use it for athletes foot. Relief is immediate. An MD recommended it.

 

[Recidiva]

LYSOL destroys most biotics on contact. I usta use it for athletes foot. Relief is immediate. An MD recommended it.

These are the moments where I think...if I say something about penis scrubbing with Lysol, that is technically escalation. It's going to get worse. Put the keyboard down. Back away.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Why not California? I thought most of the wing nuts were there already, and isn't California going to drop off into the ocean eventually, anyway?

Jesus! Just when I think youre cured you relapse.

What do you think a wingnut is, besides a taxpayer with a job and no criminal record?

 

[subdued_passion]

Jesus! Just when I think youre cured you relapse.

What do you think a wingnut is, besides a taxpayer with a job and no criminal record?

The only type of wingnut I know.

http://www.hobbithouseinc.com/personal/woodpics/images/wingnut.jpg

 

[subdued_passion]

I think LIBZ and DUMZ should be exported

Who are LIBZ and DUMZ and what world problem would it solve and where would you send them?

BTW, I'm still waiting.

 

[Aphro]

BTW, I'm still waiting.

He's at the airport picking up his boarding pass...

 

[Recidiva]

BTW, I'm still waiting.

I'm waiting for JBJ to take back his heinous comment about chorizo in paella.

 

[trysail]

Interesting that you point to global warming...I am reading a novel right now called State of Fear. It's a thriller/mystery, but the main storyline is global warming and an eco-terrorism group who try to manifest weather catastrophes around the world to get funding for their group, and bury the fact that the empirical data does not support global warming. You might like it.

The late Michael Crichton, M.D.'s book State Of Fear was important. It got a lot of people to actually look at the details of the data/evidence that was being advanced in support of the catastrophic anthropogenic global warming conjecture by activists.

The graphs and the appendix contained in the book provide the original instrumental temperature data (although subjected to "adjustment" by GISS) to readers.

Here are a few of them (from these, you can easily pick other locations):


Temperature records from NASA's
Goddard Institute for Space Studies:


Fort Smith, NWT, Canada
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/show_station.cgi?id=403719340000&dt=1&ds=14

Coppermine, NWT, Canada
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/show_station.cgi?id=403719380000&dt=1&ds=14

Anadyr, Siberia, Russia
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/show_station.cgi?id=222255630000&dt=1&ds=14

Markovo, Siberia, Russia
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/show_station.cgi?id=222255510000&dt=1&ds=14

Punta Arenas, Argentina
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/show_station.cgi?id=304859340000&dt=1&ds=14

San Antonio, Chile
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/show_station.cgi?id=301877840000&dt=1&ds=14

Amundsen-Scot, Antarctica
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/show_station.cgi?id=700890090000&dt=1&ds=14

Davis, Antarctica
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/show_station.cgi?id=700895710008&dt=1&ds=14

Christchurch, New Zealand
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/show_station.cgi?id=507937800000&dt=1&ds=14

Hokitika Aero, New Zealand
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/show_station.cgi?id=507936150000&dt=1&ds=14

Bartow, Florida USA
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/show_station.cgi?id=425000804780&dt=1&ds=14

Billings, Montana USA
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/show_station.cgi?id=425726770000&dt=1&ds=14

 

[Recidiva]

The late Michael Crichton, M.D.'s book Climate Of Fear was important. It got a lot of people to actually look at the details of the data/evidence that was being advanced in support of the catastrophic anthropogenic global warming conjecture by activists.

The graphs and the appendix contained in the book provide the original instrumental temperature data (although subjected to "adjustment" by GISS) to readers.

A few pieces of information are the most important:

There was a "mini ice age" directly before the modern evidence for global warming was presented. Geologically irresponsible. That spike was cherry picked to be alarming. There's no way it was done without being manipulative of the data.

Ice core data going back 600,000 years shows (to my eyes) a 150,000 year cycle and we're at the end of one that always rises to a high point and then drops off precipitously, which is why scientists in the 60s and 70s were more afraid of the coming ice age than Global Warming.

The current prediction model of Global Warming is: Everything. Temperature goes up, that's man-made global warming. Temperature goes down, that's just normal variation, still man-made global warming.

It has no criteria to determine how natural warming is distinct from man made.

Now, I know stuff is warming, but there is no way to determine why other than pulling shit you don't like out of a hat and saying "That. That did it." and convincing enough people that it was "that" so that "that" becomes impossible to negotiated due to the hysteria.

 

[trysail]

I got the name of the damn book wrong in my original post. Its correct title is State Of Fear.


I have corrected my original post.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I'm waiting for JBJ to take back his heinous comment about chorizo in paella.

I'm an honorary Spanish chauvinist. Pork is so Puerto Rican.

 

[Recidiva]

I'm an honorary Spanish chauvinist. Pork is so Puerto Rican.

And Spain has no world...famous...hams?

Dude, throw out the shovel, hole's big enough.

 

[oggbashan]

My take on the problems of the world is that people do not understand or accept different ways of living, governing, believing as rational choices.

My quick-fix solution would be to require that all cultures send their young adults to live in at least one, preferably several cultures that are radically different from their own, and on return present their seniors with a reasoned defence of the advantages and disadvantages of both their own culture and the other one.

Even if this didn't change cultures, it would breed a better understanding of the differences that humans can accept as 'reasonable'.

But the internet is already demonstrating that what our parents accepted as the only way is only one of many ways.

 

[Recidiva]

My take on the problems of the world is that people do not understand or accept different ways of living, governing, believing as rational choices.

My quick-fix solution would be to require that all cultures send their young adults to live in at least one, preferably several cultures that are radically different from their own, and on return present their seniors with a reasoned defence of the advantages and disadvantages of both their own culture and the other one.

Even if this didn't change cultures, it would breed a better understanding of the differences that humans can accept as 'reasonable'.

But the internet is already demonstrating that what our parents accepted as the only way is only one of many ways.

This is why I think the "grownups suck" aspect of teenage life and brain chemistry is adaptive and necessary.

You need a healthy dose of skepticism to make it to successful adulthood.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The late Michael Crichton, M.D.'s book State Of Fear was important. It got a lot of people to actually look at the details of the data/evidence that was being advanced in support of the catastrophic anthropogenic global warming conjecture by activists.

The graphs and the appendix contained in the book provide the original instrumental temperature data (although subjected to "adjustment" by GISS) to readers.

Here are a few of them (from these, you can easily pick other locations):


Temperature records from NASA's
Goddard Institute for Space Studies:


Fort Smith, NWT, Canada
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/show_station.cgi?id=403719340000&dt=1&ds=14

Coppermine, NWT, Canada
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/show_station.cgi?id=403719380000&dt=1&ds=14

Anadyr, Siberia, Russia
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/show_station.cgi?id=222255630000&dt=1&ds=14

Markovo, Siberia, Russia
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/show_station.cgi?id=222255510000&dt=1&ds=14

Punta Arenas, Argentina
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/show_station.cgi?id=304859340000&dt=1&ds=14

San Antonio, Chile
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/show_station.cgi?id=301877840000&dt=1&ds=14

Amundsen-Scot, Antarctica
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/show_station.cgi?id=700890090000&dt=1&ds=14

Davis, Antarctica
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/show_station.cgi?id=700895710008&dt=1&ds=14

Christchurch, New Zealand
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/show_station.cgi?id=507937800000&dt=1&ds=14

Hokitika Aero, New Zealand
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/show_station.cgi?id=507936150000&dt=1&ds=14

Bartow, Florida USA
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/show_station.cgi?id=425000804780&dt=1&ds=14

Billings, Montana USA
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/show_station.cgi?id=425726770000&dt=1&ds=14

Yeh, and they made a Broadway musical of State Fear, too.

 

[subdued_passion]

He's at the airport picking up his boarding pass...

Ok. Just to play it safe, I'll inform the airspace controller that they are not to allow any landings in the next 24 hrs.




(You really need to post here more often)

 

[Aphro]

Ok. Just to play it safe, I'll inform the airspace controller that they are not to allow any landings in the next 24 hrs.




(You really need to post here more often)

Well, I may just have to do that.

 

[subdued_passion]

My take on the problems of the world is that people do not understand or accept different ways of living, governing, believing as rational choices.

My quick-fix solution would be to require that all cultures send their young adults to live in at least one, preferably several cultures that are radically different from their own, and on return present their seniors with a reasoned defence of the advantages and disadvantages of both their own culture and the other one.

Even if this didn't change cultures, it would breed a better understanding of the differences that humans can accept as 'reasonable'.

But the internet is already demonstrating that what our parents accepted as the only way is only one of many ways.

We used En Enchanges as a French text book. It basically followed a foreign exchange student in France. I remember how we all thought it was such a cool concept.

I agree with you. Exposure to alternative cultures and even thinking can do a great deal to broaden your horizons. If nothing else, it teaches you that yours in not the only viewpoint in the world.

Now whose gonna teach the Americans this lesson? *ducks*

 

[oggbashan]

...

Now whose gonna teach the Americans this lesson? *ducks*

World Wars 1 and 2 exposed many US men to different cultures. They adapted fast.

 

[Recidiva]

World Wars 1 and 2 exposed many US men to different cultures. They adapted fast.

We get culture like takeout. People come here to America and we see their culture.

Part of what Oggbashan is what America is about at its best. Exposure to, understanding of, and tolerance of, other cultures.

There's America at its worst, but you guys already see that in the papers every day.

 

[subdued_passion]

World Wars 1 and 2 exposed many US men to different cultures. They adapted fast.

You sir, are not allowed to post without a music link.

 

[subdued_passion]

We get culture like takeout. People come here to America and we see their culture.

Part of what Oggbashan is what America is about at its best. Exposure to, understanding of, and tolerance of, other cultures.

There's America at its worst, but you guys already see that in the papers every day.

I can only talk about my personal experience and unfortunately, the Americans I've interacted with were extremely myopic (and admittedly so). For them there was nothing beyond America. I remember one such friend looking at an Indian photoblog and commenting how nice it looked but who wants to look at stuff about India.

 

[oggbashan]

Music links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8jCe9Yj1I8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiSrKbj_pHQ

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Nonsense.

I've been all over the world and people are all alike, their differences are cosmetic and cuisine constitutes the largest chunk of the differences.