What's your line in the sand?

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

I'm certainly not above criticism, I'm just human, like everyone else here. That's just a red-herring argument.

You are the king of ad hominem attacks, and completely hypocritical not only about your use of them but also on who you call out for using them.

You have no principles which is a sad way to live your life. Your choice, but sad nonetheless.

Don't answer the question, just attack the other poster. That's what you and luke did in posts #6 and #8 as your contributions to the "discussion. I did no such thing until after ya'll launched your liberal stylings which pass for critical thinking...

... and now you're trying to blame ME for what you actually did.
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A_J's corollary #6, “The New Age Liberal thinks, ‘When I do/say it, it is right because of my open-minded education and intelligence. When you do/say it, it serves to demonstrate how narrow-minded, poorly educated and stupid you are.’”

 

[busybody..]

so the this is true?

OBAMA: Republicans will make USA 'Third World' nation...

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

That they do it is less of a problem than the fact that people find this somehow acceptable and even defendable.

It is up to the people to hold them to a higher a standard than this regardless of political party or affiliation.

That's the point.

There is no point because I don;t see a general rush from you or anyone else to hold Democrats to ANY standard.

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A_J's corollary #5, “When lacking reason and sound argument, the New Age Liberal charges headlong into ‘debate’ with emotional cries of Hypocrisy. The New Age Liberal is, of course, immune to and incapable of Hypocrisy. That would require hard and fast standards.”

 

[busybody..]

its simple

MOOSEFUCKS and NIGGERS and DUMZ are never responsible for anything they ever say


Only REPOZ are


Look at NIGGER JACKSON and the sex allegations against him......sounds of silence

Look at SEN WIDE STANCE..................

Look at teh difference!


PAYS TO BE A MOOSEFUCK a NIGGER and a DUMOH!

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

I did not say one did such a thing. Please read carefully.

I have been called a liar more than once on the GB. The label "liar" is freely used. You are free to call the Senator whatever you feel his action deserves.

If "liar" is an adhominen attack, maybe we should hate the lie and love the liar. Especially if his lies forward our own political agenda.

I'm just pointing out the nature of what we're dealing with here.

The selective outrage over Kyle and the hated right-wing media.

It's what passes for a discussion of the issues of the day.

Why not focus on the outrage of the violation of the law in the providing of any abortion from a tax-payer funded organization?

 

[JenAltArmy]

why does plan parenthood need federal funds? never been to one of those places....why not visit her own Dr and let this them raise their own funds. same goes for NPR

New York (CNN) -- "Not intended to be a factual statement."

This was the sound of the curtain coming back on what passes for political debate too often these days.

The now-infamous statement from Sen. Jon Kyl's office was released after he said on the floor of the U.S. Senate that abortions represent "over 90 percent of what Planned Parenthood does."

It turns out that the actual number is 3%, a mere rounding error of 87%. But it was presented to the American people and enshrined in the Senate Record as a means of arguing that Planned Parenthood should be entirely defunded in the current budget.

This has nothing to do with fiscal responsibility and everything to do with the disproportionate influence of social conservative activists.

Their most compelling argument is that the American people don't support federal taxpayer money paying for abortions, which is true -- and why federal funding of abortion has been banned since 1976.

But the facts are inconvenient, and so they are ignored. Instead, talking points taken from talk radio are repeated until they take on a life of their own and eventually get the validation of a U.S. senator.

The news wasn't that Kyl made a mistake; it was his staff essentially acknowledging that in the current hyper-partisan environment, facts are a secondary concern, even on the floor of the U.S. Senate, even when they are paraded as statistics. The important thing is to scare the hell out of people so that they remember your political point and pass it on.

Like the mirror image of some hippies of old, emotional truth is more important than literal truth. It creates a political tower of Babel.

In this absurd spin cycle, there's one dependable place to look for sanity: satire. And on cue came Stephen Colbert, who took Kyl's statement as a challenge and dialed it up to 11. Using the Twitter hashtag #NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement, Colbert unleashed a steady stream of Jon Kyl mistruths with the requisite denial. Among my favorites:

• Jon Kyl developed his own line of hair care products just so he could test them on bunnies.

• Jon Kyl can unhinge his jaw like a python to swallow small rodents whole.

• Every Halloween Jon Kyl dresses up as a sexy Mitch Daniels.

• Jon Kyl sponsored S.410, which would ban happiness.

• Jon Kyl let a game-winning ground ball roll through his legs in Game 6 of the '86 World Series.

• Jon Kyl once ate a badger he hit with his car.

You get the idea. But the problem is much bigger than Jon Kyl. Colbert is going to have to get a bigger hashtag. Because we're heading to a strange place where Daniel Patrick Moynihan's truism "everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts" no longer applies.

Exhibit B this week: Donald Trump's re-enflaming of the thoroughly discredited birther conspiracy theory. When he repeats this falsehood in interviews, he is too often treated as a man with an unorthodox opinion, not someone repeating a lie on national television.

As a result, more people are duped and the country more divided, not on the many rational reasons to oppose President Obama's policy agenda but on paranoid fantasies cut out of whole cloth.

Perhaps not surprisingly, a man responsible for pushing the birther myth -- and a reported recent Trump adviser -- Joe Farah of the fringe website World Net Daily freely admitted to Salon.com this week that his site publishes "some misinformation."

"Misinformation" is a fancy word for lying with an ideological agenda in mind. It has become more acceptable and more influential with the rise of partisan media. It preys on the gullible and the stupid and the ditto-head alike.

The cycle of incitement that afflicts our politics ensures that this dynamic bleeds into both sides of the aisle. For example, the liberal Campaign for America's Future recently declared that "Congressman Eric Cantor wants to eliminate Social Security," a flat-out "pants on fire" lie, as described by indispensable PolitiFact.

A little-noticed local example of this strangeness caught my eye this week, courtesy of the website ThinkProgress. It seems that Texas state Rep. Leo Berman put forward a bill to ban sharia law in the Lone Star State.

When he was asked why such a step was necessary, he cited the city of Dearborn, Michigan, six times in testimony: "It's being done in Dearborn, Michigan ... because of a large population of Middle Easterners. The judges in Dearborn are using and allowing to be used sharia law."

This would indeed be troubling (and unconstitutional) if true, but when Berman was pressed about the source of his facts, here's what he said: "I heard it on a radio station here on my way in to the Capitol one day. ... I don't know Dearborn, Michigan, but I heard it on the radio. Isn't that true?"

No, it's not, as Dearborn Mayor Jack O'Reilly has been forced to make abundantly clear, stating that "these people know nothing of Dearborn, and they just seek to provoke and enflame their base for political gain."

But the misinformation percolating around the fringes of hyper-partisan media is creeping into state capitals and the U.S. Congress. Ignorance and incitement begin to blur, compounded by the civic laziness of speakers who don't care to fact-check.

"Not intended to be a factual statement" is an instant dark classic, a triumph of cynicism, capturing the essence of Michael Kinsley's definition of a gaffe in Washington: when a politician accidentally tells the truth.

No wonder "people are taking their comedians seriously and the politicians as a joke," as Will Rogers once said and Colbert increasingly embodies. But we can't keep depending on comedians to be the voices of sanity.

And don't be fooled. There are real costs to this careless courtship of the lowest common denominator. Without fact-based debates, politics can quickly give way to paranoia and hate. Our democracy gets degraded.Americans deserve better, and we should demand better, especially from our elected representatives. Empowering ignorance for political gain is unacceptable.

 

[busybody..]

remember teh DUMZ and NIGGERS shitting on Bush and teh debt ceiling

THEY WERE TELLING THE TRUTH?

DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DID: Harry Reid ‘Embarrassed’ About 2006 Opposition To Raising Debt Limit. Him, Obama, Steny Hoyer . . . A lot of people suddenly seem comfortable with levels of debt that go way beyond those they found unacceptable just a few years ago.




All of a sudden JEW KILLER/ZIP wants accountability

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I don't think there is a right wing poster on the GB who doesn't hesitate to call someone out for a lie in a post, or whatever they think is a lie.

Hypocrisy, double standard, whatever you want to call it.

True conservatives value truth above all else. The people who pass for conservatives just want to gather as many gullible people to their side and they don't care what they have to say to do this.

There is nothing in true conservative philosophy which condones deceit.

This is true.

 

[bronzeage]

I'm just pointing out the nature of what we're dealing with here.

The selective outrage over Kyle and the hated right-wing media.

It's what passes for a discussion of the issues of the day.

Why not focus on the outrage of the violation of the law in the providing of any abortion from a tax-payer funded organization?

Why would we need to lie in order to do that? Does outrage justify deceiving people to gain their support?

Would the simple facts not provide enough outrage?

 

[busybody..]

is this fact or fiction?


Dem Rep. Wasserman Schultz: Republicans Want to Hurt the “Frail, Elderly, Seniors and the Most Vulnerable. . . Leave Seniors Potentially out in the Cold”…

 

[zipman]

Can you provide a link back to the original article? I'd like to see what the comments on this piece say. Thanks.

Sure:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/04/15/avlon.kyl.truth/index.html?hpt=T2

 

[busybody..]

Sure:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/04/15/avlon.kyl.truth/index.html?hpt=T2

that is an opinion piece

its NOT the original story and words of Kyl, is it?

 

[zipman]

Don't answer the question, just attack the other poster. That's what you and luke did in posts #6 and #8 as your contributions to the "discussion. I did no such thing until after ya'll launched your liberal stylings which pass for critical thinking...

... and now you're trying to blame ME for what you actually did.
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A_J's corollary #6, “The New Age Liberal thinks, ‘When I do/say it, it is right because of my open-minded education and intelligence. When you do/say it, it serves to demonstrate how narrow-minded, poorly educated and stupid you are.’”

First off, you didn't respond to the post, you threw up a bunch of C&Ps to deflect the topic.

Secondly, every time you use the ordinality quote it's an adhominem attack in the truest sense of the term, not the made up Ad hominem by class that you use to deflect any criticism of yourself or your opinions.

 

[Sinny]

I also went and found the link back to the original article. It really pisses me off when people c&p without attribution to the author or a link back (and don't get me started on fair use violation).

The opinion piece was written by John P. Avlon

As the only one with a uterus in this thread, I've got to say fuck off to any asshat who thinks that Planned Parenthood doesn't provide valuable services to women who need it most.

I love what George H.W. Bush said about Title X in 1969 at the time of passage of Title X (which funds PP, along with many other family planning health services), "“We need to make population and family planning household words.....We need to take sensationalism out of this topic so that it can no longer be used by militants who have no real knowledge of the voluntary nature of the program but, rather are using it as a political steppingstone. If family planning is anything, it is a public health matter."

 

[zipman]

There is no point because I don;t see a general rush from you or anyone else to hold Democrats to ANY standard.

__________________
A_J's corollary #5, “When lacking reason and sound argument, the New Age Liberal charges headlong into ‘debate’ with emotional cries of Hypocrisy. The New Age Liberal is, of course, immune to and incapable of Hypocrisy. That would require hard and fast standards.”

Don't blame me for your blindness.

 

[zipman]

why does plan parenthood need federal funds? never been to one of those places....why not visit her own Dr and let this them raise their own funds. same goes for NPR

Because they also provide pregnancy prevention and education services to minimize the need for abortions.

Many who use that service don't have their own doctors.

But you know all that. It just doesn't conveniently fit into the narrative you want to project.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

remember teh DUMZ and NIGGERS shitting on Bush and teh debt ceiling

THEY WERE TELLING THE TRUTH?

DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DID: Harry Reid ‘Embarrassed’ About 2006 Opposition To Raising Debt Limit. Him, Obama, Steny Hoyer . . . A lot of people suddenly seem comfortable with levels of debt that go way beyond those they found unacceptable just a few years ago.




All of a sudden JEW KILLER/ZIP wants accountability

Amazing what a taste of power does to your perspective...

All I remember of eight years is how bad Bush was, how stupid Bush was, how everything Bush did was wrong, but now, as Obama does exactly as Bush did, all you get is praise, Republican bashing and more predominantly,

*crickets*

 

[zipman]

I'm just pointing out the nature of what we're dealing with here.

The selective outrage over Kyle and the hated right-wing media.

It's what passes for a discussion of the issues of the day.

Why not focus on the outrage of the violation of the law in the providing of any abortion from a tax-payer funded organization?

Why do you support blatant lying by an elected politician for the sole purpose of inflaming emotions to garner support for a position that is not based on facts.

It's wrong regardless of which side does it. Can't you suspend your deep partisan hatred for a few moments to simply acknowledge that fact, oh A_J the Fair and Balanced?

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

First off, you didn't respond to the post, you threw up a bunch of C&Ps to deflect the topic.

Secondly, every time you use the ordinality quote it's an adhominem attack in the truest sense of the term, not the made up Ad hominem by class that you use to deflect any criticism of yourself or your opinions.

My posts were to the topic, yours were to me.

If you want a higher standard, then fucking adopt one and apply it. You might be surprised at how others in opposition might actually measure up.

 

[bronzeage]

Because they also provide pregnancy prevention and education services to minimize the need for abortions.

Many who use that service don't have their own doctors.

But you know all that. It just doesn't conveniently fit into the narrative you want to project.

In all fairness to the Senator, lying for the cause is mild compared to others who shoot doctors or put bombs outside the door of abortion clinics.

When compared with murder and acts of terrorism, lying on the Senate floor seems almost moderate.

 

[busybody..]

I also went and found the link back to the original article. It really pisses me off when people c&p without attribution to the author or a link back (and don't get me started on fair use violation).

The opinion piece was written by John P. Avlon

As the only one with a uterus in this thread, I've got to say fuck off to any asshat who thinks that Planned Parenthood doesn't provide valuable services to women who need it most.

I love what George H.W. Bush said about Title X in 1969 at the time of passage of Title X (which funds PP, along with many other family planning health services), "“We need to make population and family planning household words.....We need to take sensationalism out of this topic so that it can no longer be used by militants who have no real knowledge of the voluntary nature of the program but, rather are using it as a political steppingstone. If family planning is anything, it is a public health matter."

as one of many that have a DICK in the thread

is there GUMNIT funding for MENS HEALTH SERVICES or are only CUNTS deserving of FEDERAL GIVEAWYS?

 

[zipman]

My posts were to the topic, yours were to me.

If you want a higher standard, then fucking adopt one and apply it. You might be surprised at how others in opposition might actually measure up.

Okay A_J, do you want to reset our relationship on these boards with no more ad hominems and no more deflections. That would be an agreement to actually address in full the topics and questions put to each other?

Are you actually up for that?

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Why do you support blatant lying by an elected politician for the sole purpose of inflaming emotions to garner support for a position that is not based on facts.

It's wrong regardless of which side does it. Can't you suspend your deep partisan hatred for a few moments to simply acknowledge that fact, oh A_J the Fair and Balanced?

No, my point here is an observable one. So observable, predictable, and consistent that I turned it into a c&p to save myself from carpel-tunnel...

A_J's corollary #9, “When a Republican does it, it is a high crime and misdemeanor, when a Democrat does it, then it is, *shrug*, they ALL do it...”

Now, when there becomes a state where it's safe to bash a Republican and get the same response as one gets when bashing a Democrat, then I will happily play along with your little partisan gamesmanship.

 

[zipman]

In all fairness to the Senator, lying for the cause is mild compared to others who shoot doctors or put bombs outside the door of abortion clinics.

When compared with murder and acts of terrorism, lying on the Senate floor seems almost moderate.

The problem is that you are using pyschopaths and terrorists as a baseline comparison to elected officials. In that case, sure, lying seems far less severe. However, it should be completely unacceptable to the other members of the Senate (or congress) as well as to the voting public.

 

[zipman]

No, my point here is an observable one. So observable, predictable, and consistent that I turned it into a c&p to save myself from carpel-tunnel...

A_J's corollary #9, “When a Republican does it, it is a high crime and misdemeanor, when a Democrat does it, then it is, *shrug*, they ALL do it...”

Now, when there becomes a state where it's safe to bash a Republican and get the same response as one gets when bashing a Democrat, then I will happily play along with your little partisan gamesmanship.

Except that I didn't consider it a high crime or even misdemeanor crime. I said it was unacceptable regardless of which party does it. That's what I mean by living by principles instead of partisan hatred.