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:D Hey Marquis...

Nice to see you posting..... I am now just a drive away I relocated to FL.....
 
Ah, I haven't been posting much at all either...have dropped in each day, but mostly silent.

On the discussion of racism, I think it will take more than Obama being elected to completely nail it forever. It might help (and here's hoping he does not end up a statistic like JFK), but the problem is too deep to heal over night. I have yet to visit a place where there is not some form of racism against some group of people, all based on ignorance and xenophobia. We live in a wonderful neighbourhood which is poo pooed by a lot of Dutch, including those who are from migrant background themselves, simply because it is a melting pot of nationalities and religions...mind you, those same people will brag about how wonderful and multi-cultural Amsterdam is...go figure. I adore it.

Catalina:catroar:
 
catalina_francisco said:
Ah, I haven't been posting much at all either...have dropped in each day, but mostly silent.

On the discussion of racism, I think it will take more than Obama being elected to completely nail it forever. It might help (and here's hoping he does not end up a statistic like JFK), but the problem is too deep to heal over night. I have yet to visit a place where there is not some form of racism against some group of people, all based on ignorance and xenophobia. We live in a wonderful neighbourhood which is poo pooed by a lot of Dutch, including those who are from migrant background themselves, simply because it is a melting pot of nationalities and religions...mind you, those same people will brag about how wonderful and multi-cultural Amsterdam is...go figure. I adore it.

Catalina:catroar:
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Absolutely, I do worry that people will see this as some kind of zap racism over magic wand if they are invested in denying that racism persists.
 
Being in an interracial relationship myself, I have to say that I have seen a lot of crap he gets for being dark skinned. Most people are awesome, but there are always a few you'll run into that can spoil a good day.

I agree, it'll take more than a single black president to heal race relations overnight. Personally, I think we all just need to get over ourselves and understand that we're all red and squishy on the inside anyway. :rolleyes:
 
the_pet said:
...sounds like the same as you:D my plate is way too full and by the time i finish what i must get done there's barely any time for the fun stuff like Lit:D

pet
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Well, I'm glad you found time to pop into my little corner of lit here.
 
satindesire said:
Being in an interracial relationship myself, I have to say that I have seen a lot of crap he gets for being dark skinned. Most people are awesome, but there are always a few you'll run into that can spoil a good day.

I agree, it'll take more than a single black president to heal race relations overnight. Personally, I think we all just need to get over ourselves and understand that we're all red and squishy on the inside anyway. :rolleyes:
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Stepping in from a little cocktail party with a bunch of conservatives. (Sorry, an obligatory event)

I was really saddened by the comments I heard about a Black president. I grew up in the South, where such thoughts were more common, but still held the minority (I thought...naive me, I guess) in public opinion. I was really disgusted by the words I heard tonight.

I can't realistically imagine why anyone of any brains would want to run for office in the US in the future. We are a brutal country.

~LB
 
LilyBart said:
Stepping in from a little cocktail party with a bunch of conservatives. (Sorry, an obligatory event)

I was really saddened by the comments I heard about a Black president. I grew up in the South, where such thoughts were more common, but still held the minority (I thought...naive me, I guess) in public opinion. I was really disgusted by the words I heard tonight.

I can't realistically imagine why anyone of any brains would want to run for office in the US in the future. We are a brutal country.

~LB
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Oooooh, what did you hear?

Did you speak up?
 
Marquis said:
Oooooh, what did you hear?

Did you speak up?
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I am sad to say that I heard watermelon jokes.

And yes I did speak up.

I don't expect to be invited there again; I was a bit rabid.

I was honestly astounded, Marquis. I live in the newest part of the US. I thought I had left the watermelon thing behind.

IF, I still lived in North Carolina I would have said to myself "OK, there's a bit of history here." Not that I wouldn't have argued, I just would have argued differently.

There is such a small population of African Americans in AZ that one rarely hears comment...most are focused on "those damn Mexican immigrants." So it honestly caught me off-guard tonight.

But then, almost every day, I find another reason why many Americans can't tolerate anyone who isn't blue-eyed or blond. (At least one or the other, anyway.)

And I am neither. (Which is not important, other than the fact that when I lived in the South, I was described as "exotic" which I am most definitely not. Brown hair and brown eyes is enough there, it seems.)

I think what is important is that I have thought more highly of most of my fellow citizens than they deserve. Man, was I ever wrong.

In the 15years that I have lived here, this is the first time I have heard anything like I heard tonight. Of course they also went on to praise Palin. WTF? This group was the only group of living, breathing people I ever heard support her. And now, after the election? They still support her?

I think the US has inched its way into the Millennium, finally. And it is really sad that there are so many people who react to ethnicity or skin color than to ability. (Only one out of 20 at the party brought up their opinion on Obama's tenure. At least that could have been a somewhat intelligent argument.)

Depressed is me.

~LB
 
At a lot of my virtual left-wing watering holes blaming black people for the passage of Prop. 8 is the new meme.

I've been in fight mode with racist knee jerks since the morning after. For the little that's worth. I think I may need to get off my duff and do some work in the GLBT community again, this is UGLY shit. God, are zealous Mormons good at divide and conquer.
 
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I have to confess, I've heard it all in the UK too. Bookmakers are even taking bets on how long into his first term Obama is assassinated (plus separate odds for a failed assassination attempt.) It's all quite depressing, though not as frightening as if Obama had lost IMO. It's sad but if we had a black candidate for prime minister I doubt things would be any different.
 
LilyBart said:
I am sad to say that I heard watermelon jokes.

And yes I did speak up.

I don't expect to be invited there again; I was a bit rabid.

I was honestly astounded, Marquis. I live in the newest part of the US. I thought I had left the watermelon thing behind.

IF, I still lived in North Carolina I would have said to myself "OK, there's a bit of history here." Not that I wouldn't have argued, I just would have argued differently.

There is such a small population of African Americans in AZ that one rarely hears comment...most are focused on "those damn Mexican immigrants." So it honestly caught me off-guard tonight.

But then, almost every day, I find another reason why many Americans can't tolerate anyone who isn't blue-eyed or blond. (At least one or the other, anyway.)

And I am neither. (Which is not important, other than the fact that when I lived in the South, I was described as "exotic" which I am most definitely not. Brown hair and brown eyes is enough there, it seems.)

I think what is important is that I have thought more highly of most of my fellow citizens than they deserve. Man, was I ever wrong.

In the 15years that I have lived here, this is the first time I have heard anything like I heard tonight. Of course they also went on to praise Palin. WTF? This group was the only group of living, breathing people I ever heard support her. And now, after the election? They still support her?

I think the US has inched its way into the Millennium, finally. And it is really sad that there are so many people who react to ethnicity or skin color than to ability. (Only one out of 20 at the party brought up their opinion on Obama's tenure. At least that could have been a somewhat intelligent argument.)

Depressed is me.

~LB
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I'm gonna take this opportunity to speak out in defense of white Americans. Not in the "look how many were benevolent enough to vote for an African American president" sense, but because a big chunk of white Americans voted for a brilliant, charismatic, calm, dignified, and profoundly decent man who also just happens to be African American.

Hillary and Bill Clinton spent countless hours fervently trying to convince superdelegates that a black man could never win sufficient white votes to carry key states like Ohio and Pennsylvania. Pundits blathered incessantly about the Bradley effect throughout the entire month of October. "White people couldn't possibly be supporting a black guy in such huge numbers; they must be lying," they said. And on election night and every day since, without a trace of hyperbole, virtually every talking head or man on the street has declared: "I never thought this would happen in my lifetime."

There were multiple reasons for that skepticism, some more valid than others. But on Tuesday, millions of white Americans disproved those insulting generalizations.

Obama won a higher percentage of white voters than any Democratic candidate since 1976 - 46% of white women voters and 41% of white men. More than 40 million white Americans walked into the privacy and anonymity of the voting booth, and cast their presidential vote for an African American man. Yes they could, and yes they did.

Does this mean that racism is gone? Of course not. But I'd say it's time to start treating those watermelon jokers like the marginalized, anachronistic whack jobs that they have clearly become.
 
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Netzach said:
At a lot of my virtual left-wing watering holes blaming black people for the passage of Prop. 8 is the new meme.

I've been in fight mode with racist knee jerks since the morning after. For the little that's worth. I think I may need to get off my duff and do some work in the GLBT community again, this is UGLY shit. God, are zealous Mormons good at divide and conquer.
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That is plain idiocy. Not just unfair, but breathtakingly stupid as well.

If you haven't already seen it, you may appreciate this.
 
JMohegan said:
Does this mean that racism is gone? Of course not. But I'd say it's time to start treating those watermelon jokers like the marginalized, anachronistic whack jobs that they have clearly become.
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I know exactly what you mean.

It's an amazing feeling.

I know this may sound really ignorant or strange, but this has really changed how I feel about white people.
 
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