What's so wrong about Wright?

-sigh- Yet another arguement that could go on all day. However I may as well throw in my $0.02.

The first step towards removing this concept that there are millions of African-Americans is to remove this concept that we, as a country, need to bend over backwards to assist them. It was once stated that the true minority in this country is the blue collar white male. Know why? Because they are the only ones whom would be shamed if they took help to assist them in the world. There are scholarships for every minority out there, scholarships for being female, but very few if any for being a white male.

This brings up the big seller in rising out of this issue, education. Do not blame public schools, I am a product of those same schools. No, I was not treated differently than a minority, we were all students. However, when it came down to it, too many African-American students were...how should I put it...less focused on their studies. Too many of them were more concerned with their clothing, their car, or with getting laid. Of the amount of high school females I've seen become pregnant, most were African-American females. -shakes my head- This has to stop, and has been stopping from recent reports, that indicate that the rate of teenage pregnancy, particularly in African-American females has dropped. Kudos to them for finally realizing the importance of education first, children later.

Too many are reduced to taking lower level courses, in a very diverse school that I attended, the vast majority of Honors/AP students were...white and Hispanic, with Asians following up, followed by African-American students. Business classes also too, followed this trend. Even when I came into the Navy, the nuclear program, of which accepts you solely based upon testing, produces numerous white sailors, with a smattering of African-Americans, yet you see a larger percentage in lower scoring jobs. Quite often this is a result of not applying oneself in school.

Yes, you can say that inner-city schools are the roughest and therefore harder to get an education, but the knowledge is there. There are dedicated teachers whom will fight for thier students. Its a matter of wanting it, and getting out of the ideal that they will be taken care of.

Affirmative Action was one of the worst concepts out there, why? Because it made it hard to choose the best qualified person for the job and discriminated against many. But yet, it is just another way to separate a race of people, and only to cause hate from others due to the actions of the law. But most importantly it creates reliance upon the system.

The last thing we need to get rid of, particularly dealing with Wright, is the HATE. And I am not talking about racism of white on black but black on everyone else. We are a country, we are all humans. When I look at a person I don't see black, white, Hispanic, Asian, etc etc, I see a person. I hate racism with an absolute passion, but what really irritates me is when I see racist African-Americans whom then turn around and scream when someone says something in return to them. This is truly a pathetic nature, if you want to eliminate the racism against your own race, then eliminate your own races racism towards others. One thing I will always remember, is passing by an apartment complex, of which the vast majority of the population was African-American. It was the 4th of July, I was wearing my command ballcap, next to the base, walking to work. They were having a picnic outside, so I looked, smiled, waved to them and yelled to wish them a happy 4th. What I got in return was the speaker at the time cursing me out as a piece of shit cracker and then went on a rant about how white people are essentially the devil, in front of very impressionable children. How do you expect to turn around the numbers of people in jail etc etc, when you create hate like that?

-sigh- I give up, I really do, whine all you want. But the next time I hear "Well you owe me cause of slavery" don't be surprised at my retort involving dirt poor ancestors whom arrived in the 1840's, stayed in the North, and one dying for the North at Gettysburg. -smirks- I don't owe you shit, you owe yourself to work hard and get ahead, the same as I have had to do, cause unlike you, I don't get scholarships cause of color, laws written to help me get a job, or the backing of people like Rev Al Sharpton.
 
How sad.

So many "experts: on what it's like to be a minority in this country, and every single last one of them is white.

:rolleyes:

y'all have just proven to me just how far this country still has to go. I wish you could see just how fucking patronizing every damn one of you sounds, but you won't...too wrapped up in your own righteousness.
 
How sad.

So many "experts: on what it's like to be a minority in this country, and every single last one of them is white.

:rolleyes:

y'all have just proven to me just how far this country still has to go. I wish you could see just how fucking patronizing every damn one of you sounds, but you won't...too wrapped up in your own righteousness.

-smirks- Here...have a minority:

http://aftermathnews.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/veteran.jpg?w=288&h=419

While only 11 percent of the population are veterans*, 40 percent are of homeless people are veterans**. Want to witness this first-hand? Go to Newport News Shipyard in Newport News, VA.

* Source: WPTV

** Source:Los Angeles Homeless Services Coalition
 
-smirks- Here...have a minority:

http://aftermathnews.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/veteran.jpg?w=288&h=419

While only 11 percent of the population are veterans*, 40 percent are of homeless people are veterans**. Want to witness this first-hand? Go to Newport News Shipyard in Newport News, VA.

* Source: WPTV

** Source:Los Angeles Homeless Services Coalition

Like I said, too wrapped up in your own righteousness. I expected an answer like that. At least you're consistent.

:rolleyes:
 
How wrong is Wright? Very

I was just out in Chicago to attend my daughter's graduation from seminary. The speaker at the commencement ceremony was Jeremiah Wright's successor. Many of the students at that seminary are members of Jeremiah Wright's former church, and they are enthusiastic supporters of him.

So -- just how "wrong" can he be? Here is a link to some of his controversial statements. Now, personally, I don't see any evidence that AIDS was a CIA plot -- but most of the other stuff is true -- not a truth Americans may want to look at, but true nevertheless. We laugh at Turkey for passing a law that forbids any discussion of their genocide against the Armenians, but really, are we any better?

And what the hell is Obama doing running away from Wright as quickly as possible? Just what kind of change is he talking about if he isn't willing to face up to some of this?

First. If you honestly believe that the US Government started AIDS as a means of genocide, how do you not overthrow the Government? Now I'll admit we made some mistakes in the past as a nation. I'll even admit we made a lot of mistakes in the past as a nation. I'll even predict that we're going to make more mistakes in the future.

I didn't do it. I didn't ever own a slave. I never did. I was born in 1968, and I never worked to keep a black man from voting. I didn't protest, throw rocks, or any of that. In the late '80's, I joined the Army. I didn't work to keep a black man down, or a brown man or any other color.

I don't blame the British for burning the capital during the war of 1812. I don't blame the Germans for using poison gas in world war 1. I don't blame the Germans for the death camps of world war II. I don't blame the Japanese for Pearl Harbor. We've given billions of dollars in aide to nations we hurt once. We spent hundreds of millions of dollars rebuilding Japan, and Germany after we destroyed their nations. We spent a ton of money helping our enemies. We buy Japanese cars, electronics, and the list goes on and on. We buy German Cars, and a thousand other products. We work with our former enemy, instead of against.

The Tuskegee experiment was wrong, but it started in the 1930's, under the socialist program put forth by FDR, a Democrat. It should never have never started, and should have been shut down. It wasn't. It was finally shut down in the 1970's, thank God. I was still gnawing on Popsicles when it ended, it wasn't my fault.

Now Wright is an Ass. He blames us for thousands of things, most of which those of us alive, had nothing to do with. He judges us not on what we do, but what happened before we came. He judges us not on our actions, but on the actions of our grandparents, and even worse, our great great great great great grandparents.

The claim that the terrorists gave a damn about our history of slavery, or the Tuskegee experiment is asinine. They didn't care about that. As we're all infidels, they would happily do much worse to us, in God's name.

Rev. Wright has a big house in a gated community paid for by the church. He's a hypocrite, as bad as any on the Republican side. The day of full equality between races and sexes may not be upon us, but we're closer to it than we've ever been before in history. Instead of pointing to the future and saying we can reach this together, Rev. Wright points to the past and says we can't do it because our beginning is so stained. It's a far cry from the brilliant and inspiring words of MLK to the divisive and racist rhetoric of Rev. Wright. Senator Obama's the unifier. Yet his minister doesn't talk about unification, instead telling the world that Black Children can't be taught like White Children. He furthers the racist divides.
 
This response is probably typical of how the Reverend's actual views have been distorted. Sure, let's focus on the AIDS -- because that's pretty silly -- although, as I mentioned in a previous post, not much more wild than some other things we now accept as fact.

Obama made the charge in his speech that Wright was stuck in the past. But this seems to be a total smear. What he seems to be attempting to do, instead, is to present history AS IT REALLY HAPPENED -- not the pap that was stuffed down our throats in elementary school. And that's important. Maybe we don't need to dwell on our past, but we at least need to understand it.

As for Wright concentrating on White guilt for past sins -- where is he doing that? What he is trying to destroy is the false piety of a country that thinks it can do no wrong, has never done aqny wrong, that has the special blessing of God to do whatever it wants with its unbridled power and moral superiority. Maybe it takes a lot of rehtoric, a lot of rage, to do that. But it needs to be done. If Obama is going to wrap himself in the flag and God Bless America, he is just going to keep us going down the same path to perdition.

As for 9/11 -- there is no way he said it was justified. He has said, repreatedly, that no killing is justified. No killing. That incudes dropping bombs on Iraq, Afghanistan, and possibly Iran. But I think he feels, as I do, that if we had been less eager to spread violence around the world -- in many cases secretly -- there might have been less of a lieklihood that violence would come back to haunt us.

Remember, we created, or at least helped to create, Al Qaeda and the Taliban as part of our war against the Soviets in Afghanistan. We made Iran into a bitter enemy by keeping the Shah in power for so long.

As for Wright's "racist rhetoric" -- I haven't seen any evideince of it. What I see is someone trying to carve out an identity for people who have been told that they have no culture and no history. I don't thnk that is racist.

First. If you honestly believe that the US Government started AIDS as a means of genocide, how do you not overthrow the Government? Now I'll admit we made some mistakes in the past as a nation. I'll even admit we made a lot of mistakes in the past as a nation. I'll even predict that we're going to make more mistakes in the future.

I didn't do it. I didn't ever own a slave. I never did. I was born in 1968, and I never worked to keep a black man from voting. I didn't protest, throw rocks, or any of that. In the late '80's, I joined the Army. I didn't work to keep a black man down, or a brown man or any other color.

I don't blame the British for burning the capital during the war of 1812. I don't blame the Germans for using poison gas in world war 1. I don't blame the Germans for the death camps of world war II. I don't blame the Japanese for Pearl Harbor. We've given billions of dollars in aide to nations we hurt once. We spent hundreds of millions of dollars rebuilding Japan, and Germany after we destroyed their nations. We spent a ton of money helping our enemies. We buy Japanese cars, electronics, and the list goes on and on. We buy German Cars, and a thousand other products. We work with our former enemy, instead of against.

The Tuskegee experiment was wrong, but it started in the 1930's, under the socialist program put forth by FDR, a Democrat. It should never have never started, and should have been shut down. It wasn't. It was finally shut down in the 1970's, thank God. I was still gnawing on Popsicles when it ended, it wasn't my fault.

Now Wright is an Ass. He blames us for thousands of things, most of which those of us alive, had nothing to do with. He judges us not on what we do, but what happened before we came. He judges us not on our actions, but on the actions of our grandparents, and even worse, our great great great great great grandparents.

The claim that the terrorists gave a damn about our history of slavery, or the Tuskegee experiment is asinine. They didn't care about that. As we're all infidels, they would happily do much worse to us, in God's name.

Rev. Wright has a big house in a gated community paid for by the church. He's a hypocrite, as bad as any on the Republican side. The day of full equality between races and sexes may not be upon us, but we're closer to it than we've ever been before in history. Instead of pointing to the future and saying we can reach this together, Rev. Wright points to the past and says we can't do it because our beginning is so stained. It's a far cry from the brilliant and inspiring words of MLK to the divisive and racist rhetoric of Rev. Wright. Senator Obama's the unifier. Yet his minister doesn't talk about unification, instead telling the world that Black Children can't be taught like White Children. He furthers the racist divides.
 
Sure do! The schools I went to were predominatly Mexicans so the gringo was the minority. I'm also a Vet.

um, sorry, no you don't. You're still white, you'll always be white, and you'll always have the assumed priviledge that comes with being white.

No way in hell you know what it's like or you wouldn't be in here jerking each other off like you are.
 
um, sorry, no you don't. You're still white, you'll always be white, and you'll always have the assumed priviledge that comes with being white.

No way in hell you know what it's like or you wouldn't be in here jerking each other off like you are.

I'm an American, about 7 different kinds of European. So is my wife except for being related to Pochahontas, and the Lees of Virginia.

Anyone who is a hyphenated American deserves what they get for not putting the country first. Those that have, succeed, those that don't stay beaten down. Lose the hyphen but keep the wonders of heritage. The foods the culture and dances, even the language as a secondary one, but be an American first.
 
I'm an American, about 7 different kinds of European. So is my wife except for being related to Pochahontas, and the Lees of Virginia.

Anyone who is a hyphenated American deserves what they get for not putting the country first. Those that have, succeed, those that don't stay beaten down. Lose the hyphen but keep the wonders of heritage. The foods the culture and dances, even the language as a secondary one, but be an American first.

Wow! Thanks for telling me that! I'll start waving my flag right away, so that world peace will be here sooner!

...and you call ME stupid, geez...
 
I'll say it again - Jeramiah Wright is a racist anti-American pig. Everyone who backs him is in the same catagory.

Well -- here is an excerpt from Wright's interview with Bill Moyers
(here is the link to the transcript if you don't believe me)

REVEREND WRIGHT: I think there are many - to start using Bill Jones' paradigm, about how one sees God. Your theology determines one's anthropology. And how you see humans determines your sociology. To look at how we've come to see race, and in others of other races, based on our understanding of God who sees others as less than important. Less than my people. And where in our religious traditions are there passages in our sacred scriptures that are racist? They're in the Vedas, the Babylonian Talmud, they're in the Koran, they're in the Bible. How do we grapple with these passages in our sacred texts? The same way you grapple with Judges:19, where it's alright for a preacher to have a concubine and cut her up into 12 pieces. We gotta argue with our texts that are, as we've been struggling with, battling with, wrestling with, anti-Semitic. The Christian, "The Jews killed Jesus." No, we gotta come to grips with, you know, these texts were written by certain people at certain times with certain racist understandings of others who are different. That different meant deficient. That doing that with adults and starting with kids. that begins the conversation that Senator Obama talked about that we need to have. And re-writing the curriculum in our schools to tell the truth in our schools.
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These are the words of a hate-filled racist pig? Come on. Wake up. You've been duped by the media yet again.
 
These are the words of a hate-filled racist pig? Come on. Wake up. You've been duped by the media yet again.
No, she's just refusing to be duped by you. I can easily find short passages of common sense from such intellectuals as David Duke, Robert Byrd, and Timothy McVeigh. Just because you stomp your foot, stick your fingers in your ears and repeat over and over that you're right, it doesn't make it so. This is what I'd like you to do. Keep talking about this endlessly. Go to every message board on the internet, plus every coffee shop you can find and keep the Rev. Wright in the front and center of discussions. In the end, your opinion is irrelevant....just one of hundreds of millions in this country alone. However, maybe you can keep Obama tied to Wright long enough for my guy to win. I'd be OK with that.
 
I'm an American, about 7 different kinds of European. So is my wife except for being related to Pochahontas, and the Lees of Virginia.
The thing that always cracks me up about people who use the, "You're not ______, so you can't possibly have an educated opinion," never seem to realize that they make broad statements about groups that they are not part of as well (but conveniently ignore that bit of logic). For some reason I've never seen someone say, "Well, you're not white, so you have no idea what it's like for me." That's the beauty of baseless race arguments....the accuser can never be wrong, as long as they shout louder than you do.
 
Wow! Thanks for telling me that! I'll start waving my flag right away, so that world peace will be here sooner!

...and you call ME stupid, geez...

Stupid, never, psychotic is a different story. :D
 
No, she's just refusing to be duped by you. I can easily find short passages of common sense from such intellectuals as David Duke, Robert Byrd, and Timothy McVeigh. Just because you stomp your foot, stick your fingers in your ears and repeat over and over that you're right, it doesn't make it so. This is what I'd like you to do. Keep talking about this endlessly. Go to every message board on the internet, plus every coffee shop you can find and keep the Rev. Wright in the front and center of discussions. In the end, your opinion is irrelevant....just one of hundreds of millions in this country alone. However, maybe you can keep Obama tied to Wright long enough for my guy to win. I'd be OK with that.


Okay -- find me a quote on the contrary. Dare you.
 
The thing that always cracks me up about people who use the, "You're not ______, so you can't possibly have an educated opinion," never seem to realize that they make broad statements about groups that they are not part of as well (but conveniently ignore that bit of logic). For some reason I've never seen someone say, "Well, you're not white, so you have no idea what it's like for me." That's the beauty of baseless race arguments....the accuser can never be wrong, as long as they shout louder than you do.

Truer words have never appeared in this thread. :D
It's just fun to get Cloudy fired up now and then :rolleyes:
 
Truer words have never appeared in this thread. :D
It's just fun to get Cloudy fired up now and then :rolleyes:

Far from "fired up." So sorry to disappoint you. This is in the realm of what I encounter every single day. Welcome to my world.

And, you poor, poor white people. So oppressed, so downtrodden.

(you realize how idiotic that sounds, right?)
 
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Far from "fired up." So sorry to disappoint you. This is in the realm of what I encounter every single day. Welcome to my world.

And, you poor, poor white people. So oppressed, so downtrodden.

(you realize how idiotic that sounds, right?)

You realize with your attitude you bring most of it on yourself?
 
yeah, you're right. I make people scream racial epithets at me from their cars as they drive by. Yep, all my fault.

No but taking it out on someone 3 states away is your fault.

This weekend when in NM I will have to see if any of the guys I knew are still on the Mescalero Apache hotshot team. One of the best fire teams the forrest service has had for at least 20 years.
 
I suppose you forgot about the week beforehand when we dropped flyers and made announcements warning about what we were about to do, so civilians could seek shelter? I guess we could contrast that with an Al Qaeda operative who hides weapons in a Mosque, fires rockets from a crowd of children for protection, or ones who strap bombs on retarded women to blow them up in crowds if you like. It's a question of intent. Have we killed innocents? Yes. Can you argue that there was a way to accomplish the goals without any innocents dying? Maybe (since innocents were dying under Hussein as well). Can you say our marines act just like Al Qaeda? Only if you're a moron.

You are forgetting about the 'private military contractors', aka mercenaries, like black water and tripe canopy, who DO kill civilians. US government made sure to give them freakin immunity from killing civilians, ushers them out of the country like heroes when they are caught doing anything illegal, and pays them huge amounts of money.....
 
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