FlamingoBlue
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I got accussed of "talking bollocks" and I'm too lazy to look it up. Can any of you help me to understand this?
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What's bollocks???
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FlamingoBlue
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Why can't folks just call shit. shit?
I never talk shit!! You may construe it that way, but that's not what I do.
One day some of you will bw=e able to see something you don't agree with and just say that instead of attacking the other's opinion.
Dream on. Dream on.
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I never talk shit!! You may construe it that way, but that's not what I do.
One day some of you will bw=e able to see something you don't agree with and just say that instead of attacking the other's opinion.
Dream on. Dream on.
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Muchos garcias (done on purpose, for those who attack my spelling. Am I paranoid?)
Thank for your support!!
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Thank for your support!!
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Re: Re: Why can't folks just call shit. shit?
Talking bollocks or the dog's bollocks?
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Talking bollocks or the dog's bollocks?
FlamingoBlue
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Translation, please.
What's a tosser; a wankshaft?
I just love the sound of those words.
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What's a tosser; a wankshaft?
I just love the sound of those words.
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Isn't the English language great? We use it as a lingua franca and yet have to explain every fifth word.
This probably says something deep about humanity.
This probably says something deep about humanity.
Correct!
Yes, so long as it is the English language. I find that the language reflects the nation, i.e. English is a logical language for a logical people, Czech is an illogical language for an illogical people, German is aggresive, just like the nation, American English is crap, just like the nation, and French is well...French
Yes, so long as it is the English language. I find that the language reflects the nation, i.e. English is a logical language for a logical people, Czech is an illogical language for an illogical people, German is aggresive, just like the nation, American English is crap, just like the nation, and French is well...French
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I am one of the worlds greatest fans of the english language but in too many cases it is far from logical. For that matter neither are you. Generalizing on this board is a very good way to make yourself look very, very foolish.
In addition, stop picking on the yanks. They don't all speak like a Gerry Springer guest who has forgot his/her ebonics textbook at home.
Also why do you dislike the Czech's. What the hell did they ever do to deserve the illogical label? The czechs that I have had the pleasure of meeting tend to act like german engineers in their thought. Ooops
In addition, stop picking on the yanks. They don't all speak like a Gerry Springer guest who has forgot his/her ebonics textbook at home.
Also why do you dislike the Czech's. What the hell did they ever do to deserve the illogical label? The czechs that I have had the pleasure of meeting tend to act like german engineers in their thought. Ooops
I live in the Czech Republic, I am half Czech, and yes they are nice people, yet are and do illogical things. I'm not picking on the Yanks, yet they corrupted, what was a brilliant language. They are generally stereotypical, having to follow a set routine. I also find that the US is the most communist nation I know, I you say something the government doesn't like, then that's you gone! Yes, English is logical, it is logical for the reason that it does everything you want a language to do and is adaptable. The British are also logical people, take driving on the left for example. Your strongest hand is usually your right, for which you need to control of the steering wheel, whereas you don't need such a strong hand for the gearstick; - safer system. Whatelse? British plugs - Only fused plug system in the world. It is logical! Your arguement is based on feelings, yet you haven't properly looked around you. I've seen a lot of the world, lived in many places, though I find England too expensive, the countryside bad, and the girls ugly, I think it is the most sane country in the world!
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In point of fact, the Yanks were not the first to corrupt English.
There was a wonderful series on public television, The Story of English, which pretty much followed the corruption. My favorite episode was one called, "The Gude Scots Tongue."
There was a wonderful series on public television, The Story of English, which pretty much followed the corruption. My favorite episode was one called, "The Gude Scots Tongue."
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Such a pity, Slater....
It is most unfortunate that you have to mock someone in order to make your point. There are more effective ways.
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It is most unfortunate that you have to mock someone in order to make your point. There are more effective ways.
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Illogical
I'm from a logical nation? That's news to me. The English language is largely amalgamated from a load of others, and as a result contradicts it's own rules all of the time, but this does make it pretty.
I can't really say about the plug, but we drive on the left side of the road because of which side it was safest to pass strangers on when wearing a sword 700 years ago. The Americans drove on the right so as not to be like the English (in the wave of pettiness on both sides of the Atlantic that followed it's independance) and everyone else drives on a side decided largely by whoever the government at the time liked the best out of those two countries. Logic? If there is an advantage to the British system it is purely serendipity.
I'm from a logical nation? That's news to me. The English language is largely amalgamated from a load of others, and as a result contradicts it's own rules all of the time, but this does make it pretty.
I can't really say about the plug, but we drive on the left side of the road because of which side it was safest to pass strangers on when wearing a sword 700 years ago. The Americans drove on the right so as not to be like the English (in the wave of pettiness on both sides of the Atlantic that followed it's independance) and everyone else drives on a side decided largely by whoever the government at the time liked the best out of those two countries. Logic? If there is an advantage to the British system it is purely serendipity.
Blue, I'm not insulting anybody, I'm just putting my opinion forward. I don't have a reason to insult anybody. It is unfortunate that you cannot offer a suitable reply, yet are willing to criticise me. I just find that Americans are conformists. With you Mark. Okay, yes that is the reason for driving on the left, yet it could have been changed, in fact, the Conservative government once came under pressure to change my the, that time, EC. The British reply was exactly what I said, why change when our system is safer? I know the Czechs drove the same way, it was Hitler who changed it. Like I said, I'm not insulting anyone, but I speak six languages, and British English is the most logical out of all, okay maybe it has a number of exceptions, but it is still more logical than any other language. And Blue, if you don't have anything constructive to add, and you just want to criticise, then don't bother replying. If you can say something good about your nation, I will listen and be completely open.
If I were you I'd just ignore blue. He's just frustrated because no-one wants his dick up their ass.
As for english, I'd argue that it is not a particularily logical language. It doesn't really adhere to a specific set of linguistic rules in the way that french does for example. From my experience, people find english the hardest language to learn as a second language with german following closely behind (having three sexes for nouns is just asking for trouble!).
I heard this anecdote once that claimed that the reason Aussies/Americans/Canadians etc.. speak english differently is becuase the alien climates that they moved to made them squint more than they would back in Europe. This in turn resulted in the muscles of the face and jaw changing slightly. This would then in turn alter the manner in which the subjects speak. Interesting thought. Could be a load of bollocks though.
The most annoying aspect of British/American english is the difference in spelling. The number of times an html document goes wrong when I enter a <CENTRE> code instead of <CENTER> or <COLOUR> instead of <COLOR>. Tsk, very tedious.
As for english, I'd argue that it is not a particularily logical language. It doesn't really adhere to a specific set of linguistic rules in the way that french does for example. From my experience, people find english the hardest language to learn as a second language with german following closely behind (having three sexes for nouns is just asking for trouble!).
I heard this anecdote once that claimed that the reason Aussies/Americans/Canadians etc.. speak english differently is becuase the alien climates that they moved to made them squint more than they would back in Europe. This in turn resulted in the muscles of the face and jaw changing slightly. This would then in turn alter the manner in which the subjects speak. Interesting thought. Could be a load of bollocks though.
The most annoying aspect of British/American english is the difference in spelling. The number of times an html document goes wrong when I enter a <CENTRE> code instead of <CENTER> or <COLOUR> instead of <COLOR>. Tsk, very tedious.
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Now - I have to jump in ...
I really tried to stay afar from all those sorts of discussions lately, but having this little thing about languages I just can't hold back... (and this is LANGUAGE and NOT nationality I am talking)
I do speak (some fluently, others at least I can read or understand) quite a few languages myself and as a matter of fact (confirmed by most of the people I ever discussed the point with) English is the easiest language for most people to learn, due to only having one "gender" for nouns and a fairly straight set of grammatical rules (this being one of the reasons it is fairly wide spread all over the world and not mainly because of the amount of people speaking it, which in that case would make basic chinese first choice I guess*g*)
This is usually followed in rating by latin/roman based languages, such as Italian, Spanish and French. German has been judged to be very hard to learn (thus causing me considerable trouble seeing I am working for a German based world wide group but we can't have German as world wide group language cause it is too difficult for people to learn, so I deal with whatever linguistic gusto the respective nationality favors and thus delivers the information in *insert deep sigh here*)
Hardest, so I have been told (never tried myself though) should be Russian, and then of ycourse all the languages that are not using latin script... I don't even want to start thinking about how I am gonna deal with it if ever we should add a Chinese, Arabian or such subsidiary to the group *lol*
As for the "character" of languages ... I do think it is quite obvious that the latin-based (southern european) languages like Portugese, Spanish and Italian with the sing-song pronunciation and abundant use of vocals are the more romantic and soft ones, wherea all anglo-based languages are considered a little more harsh and aggressive. If ever this has any influence on the "personality" of the people speaking the one or other language I don't really know *winks* - strange enough I have met just as many strange - aggressive - romantic Italians as Australians - as Germans - as English - as Americans ...
Hmmm - thinking about it I do have the feeling I should get a little deeper into this field of research again *g* maybe I should start a survey on prefered style of "dirty talking" compared to the amount of vocals used in the respective language ... and no, aaaaahh's and oooohhh's don't count! 
At second thought: How about someone set up a sound file with the world wide "I love you"s?? so we could judge about the romance involved into the language first hand?? And well - I guess that would work with some "dirty talking" too, just to make it up to the "harsher and harder" languages too*weg*
I really tried to stay afar from all those sorts of discussions lately, but having this little thing about languages I just can't hold back... (and this is LANGUAGE and NOT nationality I am talking)
I do speak (some fluently, others at least I can read or understand) quite a few languages myself and as a matter of fact (confirmed by most of the people I ever discussed the point with) English is the easiest language for most people to learn, due to only having one "gender" for nouns and a fairly straight set of grammatical rules (this being one of the reasons it is fairly wide spread all over the world and not mainly because of the amount of people speaking it, which in that case would make basic chinese first choice I guess*g*)
This is usually followed in rating by latin/roman based languages, such as Italian, Spanish and French. German has been judged to be very hard to learn (thus causing me considerable trouble seeing I am working for a German based world wide group but we can't have German as world wide group language cause it is too difficult for people to learn, so I deal with whatever linguistic gusto the respective nationality favors and thus delivers the information in *insert deep sigh here*)
Hardest, so I have been told (never tried myself though) should be Russian, and then of ycourse all the languages that are not using latin script... I don't even want to start thinking about how I am gonna deal with it if ever we should add a Chinese, Arabian or such subsidiary to the group *lol*
As for the "character" of languages ... I do think it is quite obvious that the latin-based (southern european) languages like Portugese, Spanish and Italian with the sing-song pronunciation and abundant use of vocals are the more romantic and soft ones, wherea all anglo-based languages are considered a little more harsh and aggressive. If ever this has any influence on the "personality" of the people speaking the one or other language I don't really know *winks* - strange enough I have met just as many strange - aggressive - romantic Italians as Australians - as Germans - as English - as Americans ...
Hmmm - thinking about it
I do have the feeling I should get a little deeper into this field of research again *g* maybe I should start a survey on prefered style of "dirty talking" compared to the amount of vocals used in the respective language ... and no, aaaaahh's and oooohhh's don't count! At second thought: How about someone set up a sound file with the world wide "I love you"s?? so we could judge about the romance involved into the language first hand?? And well - I guess that would work with some "dirty talking" too, just to make it up to the "harsher and harder" languages too*weg*
Hecate - I can see where you are coming from but I still think that english is not as easy as you say. For a long time now, english has been the accepted international lingo both economically and culturally. Those who don't speak english as a first language are often almost pre-conditioned to learn it through cultural imports (film, music) and educational obligations.
As for the structure of the english language, never has there been such a complicated list of exceptions and double meanings. The fact that we do not use gender may as you say simplify things but I really don't think that makes such a big difference. In French for example you may forget the gender of a certain object but you can still simply get across what you are trying to say even when using male instead of female.
The english language has no real structure. A good illustration of this is the fact that pupils in england (and maybe the US?) are only ever taught basic grammar. They are not taught rules and structures as in french simply because these rules and structures do not exist.
I have to stick with the opinion that the latin languages are easier. This is especially the case when one of them is already learnt. An italian will find it infinitely easier to learn spanish than english for example.
Anyway. Boring.
As for the structure of the english language, never has there been such a complicated list of exceptions and double meanings. The fact that we do not use gender may as you say simplify things but I really don't think that makes such a big difference. In French for example you may forget the gender of a certain object but you can still simply get across what you are trying to say even when using male instead of female.
The english language has no real structure. A good illustration of this is the fact that pupils in england (and maybe the US?) are only ever taught basic grammar. They are not taught rules and structures as in french simply because these rules and structures do not exist.
I have to stick with the opinion that the latin languages are easier. This is especially the case when one of them is already learnt. An italian will find it infinitely easier to learn spanish than english for example.
Anyway. Boring.
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Now I didn't have any particular difficulties with learning english.
I have to agree with Flagg here. That english do have that none existing structure rules. Then again, I also feel that it can be used more freely than, for example german can.
As for difficult languages. Well try coming over here and learn Danish. That is one of the most difficult languages to learn. Along side with the oriental languages.
I don't know if russian really is the most difficult language to learn.
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I have to agree with Flagg here. That english do have that none existing structure rules. Then again, I also feel that it can be used more freely than, for example german can.
As for difficult languages. Well try coming over here and learn Danish. That is one of the most difficult languages to learn. Along side with the oriental languages.
I don't know if russian really is the most difficult language to learn.
Das vidania my friends
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Re: Correct!
Oh, c'mon, Slater. I know it's just your opinion and that you're not really picking on us Yanks, but my opinion (as a citizen of the most communist nation you know) of your opinion is....uh....well....
Excuse me. I've got to go toss my wankshaft.
Again.
slater said:
Oh, c'mon, Slater. I know it's just your opinion and that you're not really picking on us Yanks, but my opinion (as a citizen of the most communist nation you know) of your opinion is....uh....well....
Excuse me. I've got to go toss my wankshaft.
Again.
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Golly Flagg!
I lead an exemplary life, come to this BB as a "Virgin", ask only once if some female would like a dick up their ass, and you never let me forget it.
I have repented and apologized. I said 389 Hail Mary's even though I'm not Catolic. When will I ever be cleansed of my shame?
As for criticizing Slater, I only gave my opinion, just as you gave yours. I think all language has a purpose and that is to communicate effectively. I try to be positive in my approach. I didn't feel you were.That's all I said.
I lead an exemplary life, come to this BB as a "Virgin", ask only once if some female would like a dick up their ass, and you never let me forget it.
I have repented and apologized. I said 389 Hail Mary's even though I'm not Catolic. When will I ever be cleansed of my shame?
As for criticizing Slater, I only gave my opinion, just as you gave yours. I think all language has a purpose and that is to communicate effectively. I try to be positive in my approach. I didn't feel you were.That's all I said.
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