What was that?

[zanna]

Geez i feel nervous actually starting a thread here...my palms are sweating...

i had an odd experience last night and i was wondering if anyone has had something similar or could offer a possible reason.

We had a very very relaxed evening. i had taken a long hot bath, then washed Him in the shower, shaved Him, etc. Not trying to bore anyone with details, just that we were both very relaxed. He had indicated a few times during the day that He had plans for last night. We don't often get to play in the physical sense b/c of the close proximity of the girls. We got a chance to play last night...and there was really only one difference. He has never done anything while i was standing before. He had me standing and facing the dresser, blindfolded me and then clothespinned my nipples. He used the knife for a while on my lower back, and i was still very much in control of myself. Then He started with His belt. i have a hard time with that one. The sting with that, i find it very hard to control the pain or my response. i started to cry after about the 7th strike with it. Usually i can deal with more, but it was very different standing up than i had experienced it in that past, more intense. He stopped. i started to sweat, which never happens with me. Everything was very quiet for a minute and i suddenly felt very nauseated. The nausea got better, and i thought i was relaxing a little. All of a sudden, everything started to go black in my head and i was horribly dizzy. i could not remain standing, legs would not hold me and i was swaying on my feet. Just about the moment i thought okay, i really am going to black out totally, it started to get a little better, but i could not breathe. i lied there with Him talking to me, touching me for a while. i remember Him telling me to just concentrate on trying to slow my breathing. i could not. i was panting and i could not control it. My brain was so fuzzy, so lightheaded.

This has never happened to me before -- the nausea, the dizziness, the near blacking out. Did i somehow cause this? Really nothing He did was that god awful/extreme or something i have not experienced before with Him other than being made to stand. i feel awful that i reacted in this way and ruined His play plans, let Him down in some way. He says i should not, that it was not something i could have foreseen or controlled.

Anyone have any thoughts, ideas, suggestions, or experience something similar?

Thank you in advance.

zanna

 

[WickedEve]

Sounds like an anxiety attack to some extent -- though worse. Perhaps, something to do with standing. Do you have high blood pressure? Honestly, I'd have a doctor check this out. You don't have to give intimate details of what brought it on, but you should be able to describe the symptoms. It doesn't hurt to make sure everything is fine and that it doesn't happen again.

(By the way, sorry to butt in on a forum I rarely participate on. I guess I got bored on the poetry board. )

 

[D's mariposa]

Hey Zanna...

Two things immediately popped into my head. The first one is that it's always harder to take a beating, strapping flogging whatever when you're standing up. You tend to get tired faster and the tension in your muscles makes you feel the stokes as stronger. He might not have been strapping you harder than usual, but since you were standing up, it felt harder.

The other thing that pops up right away is did you lock your knees when you were standing? Locking your knees results in restricted blood flow. When you move and they unlock, the resulting rush of blood can create nausea and knock you out.

The other thing is that it may have just been an off night. Our bodies are very complex and there may have been something going on under the surface that you're not aware of.

 

[catalina_francisco]

I suspect you may have experienced a form of panic attack though as to the exact reason I am unable to say as you have experienced similar scenes before with the exception of standing. I know for myself I find standing, and receiving pain especially more difficult to endure, the pain heightened, the physical stress more pronounced, and as I sometimes have blood sugar problems, I put the slight feeling of a need to lay down on this. Perhaps this is also why you had such reactions. Another possibility is the stress to your body etc., has caused your heart to accelerate which also presents with the symptoms you describe. If it happens again try laying with your legs raised higher than your torso until you feel better, and also have a doctor check you ata later date. unfortunately, if it is an accelerated heartbeat situation, it is difficult to detect through medical testing being one of those conditions which are elusive to record and often a matter of timing and the right doctor. Take care and I hope you find an answer. Try not to stress too much and listen when he says he understands and does not hold you responsible for something you could not control.

 

[Netzach]

It sounds like a panic attack, possibly.

It also sounds like an endorphin spike.

I've had a couple of near-passing out expriences as a bottom. My first public scene with my fiance ended with him swooning. I think that a lot of times there's an endorphin rush that's literally so powerful that it passes a person out. I've heard this happen to many experienced bottoms. It's a physical reaction brought on by the intensity of the scene, it's not necessarily that the Top did something wrong or bad, hell one of the near-passing out instances of mine was when I was piercing my own upper arm.

 

[emer]

Dizziness and anxiety: i'd suggest maybe LOW blood pressure and maybe holding your breath with anticipation and when did you eat last (low blood sugar). Not discounting the suggestion of an anxiety attack but the anxious feeling could be a sign that the brain isn't getting enough sugar or oxygen.

nausea and sweating: Low blood sugar again

locked knees: Low blood pressure

The heart pumps blood to the extremeties, arms and legs, head, and other parts. Muscle movement sends it back. If your legs were too still the blood could stay down in the legs.

Folks who are expected to stand in one spot for long periods are taught to wiggle toes and flex calf muscles to get the blood back to the heart. Otherwise they hit the pavement.

These same symptoms happen to me at work whenever i've neglected to eat, feel anxious, and have to stand still for a long while.

I'd suggest ... after speaking with your doctor about blood pressure and a fasting blood sugar (shows how well your body adapts to not having food for a while) ... if all is well, just make sure you have munchies close by and discreetly wiggle your toes.

emer

 

[Pixie Mischief]

Sounds to me like a panic attack.
I suffer from panic disorder since I was 12 about.
Ended up in the hospital with my first thinking I was dying.
there is a difference between a panic attack AND a panic disorder.
A person may just have one panic attack.
BUT if they reocure. then its a panic disorder.

also known as anxiety attacks and anxiety disorder.

also....
are you diabetic???
did you eat that day???
low blood sugar can cause very simular symbtoms as a panic attack.
I get hypoglycemic really easy.

 

[Shadowsdream]

I would say it sounds like a classic panic attack...I have been a panic attack survivor for decades...and have at least one a day...it can be almost impossible to decide which trigger set it off.

 

[Pixie Mischief]

very true. I used to have them everyday..
actually... Being awake was a fight to not have a panic attack.
they just.. happeend.
no reason.
heck once I was going to the bathroom and BANG.
Sometimes there was a reason. sometimes not.
its best to not try to find it.
because then you start to avoid those things.
which is how people become agorophobic.
I used to have panic attacks sooo much.
I'm a hypocrondriac to. bad combo.
anyway I dont have panic attacks very much anymore..but afew years ago I had to face up to alot of my past.
horrible year.. almost had a nervous break down.
was delusional somewhat.
but after that year.. since then. I'm alot better. but people never understoood.
it feels like your loosing your mind.



Zanna.. if this was a panic attack.. DOESNT mean you will get another.
a person can just have one and thats it.

I would say it sounds like a classic panic attack...I have been a panic attack survivor for decades...and have at least one a day...it can be almost impossible to decide which trigger set it off.

 

[Pure]

Hi,

I don't agree that 'panic attack' is, at least by itself, a good explanation.

Blacking out is NOT common to panic attacks, and the DSM IV reads,

"Features such as onset after age 45 years or the presence of atypical symptoms during a Panic Attack (e.g., vertigo, loss of consciousness, loss of bladder or bowel control, headaches, slurred speech, or amnesia) suggest the possibility that a general medical condition or a substance may be causing the Panic Attack symptoms." (p. 400)


Such conditions include, hyperthyroidism, seizure disorders, and cardiac conditions.

Feeling dizzy or faint may be part of a panic attack, but is apparently on the border as possibly indicating other conditions.


It's typical of a panic attack that there is *consciousness* dominated by fear of losing control, losing one's mind, desire to flee, etc.

I tend to agree also with those that stress the factors of standing, possible low b.p., low blood sugar, and perhaps bodily reaction to extreme stress.

Get yourself checked out and ease up on the amyl nitrate.

J.

 

[lark sparrow]

I didn't see her indicate any use of poppers. Is this the case, zanna?

 

[Pixie Mischief]

Pure: if your hyperventilating. you CAN black out.

 

[zanna]

I didn't see her indicate any use of poppers. Is this the case, zanna?

poppers?? Do you mean drugs or alcohol? No. Neither one.

 

[zanna]

Thanks to E/everyone who has been kind enough to respond.

i had not considered a panic attack. That may very well be. i have never had a problem before with blood pressure or blood sugar bottoming out, but i will talk to my doctor, too.

Thank Y/you again!

zanna

 

[Pixie Mischief]

hes gonna ask what you where doing when it happened

Thanks to E/everyone who has been kind enough to respond.

i had not considered a panic attack. That may very well be. i have never had a problem before with blood pressure or blood sugar bottoming out, but i will talk to my doctor, too.

Thank Y/you again!

zanna

 

[lark sparrow]

poppers?? Do you mean drugs or alcohol? No. Neither one.

I didn't think that would be the case. I know poppers and BDSM/sex are a popular combination in some cultural circles, but I don't think it's the one represented on this board.

Thanks for bringing this topic to the forum. Some very unusual and intense sensations can come up in BDSM play and it's great to share and receive this information.

 

[emer]

hes gonna ask what you where doing when it happened

Yeah, if he's worth a crap, he'll ask!

During my yearly pap smear visit two years ago (with a gyno I see daily at work and who happens to be cute and 10 years younger!) I was totally embarrassed!

Had recently shaved everything, had some lovely bruises on the insides of my thighs and on my upper arms. Forgot it was my birthday month ... the month for all the regular checkups. Anyway, he didn't say anything but did take note. Afterwards, when I was dressed, his nurse took me aside and questioned me quite thoroughly. I knew where she was going, we are trained to look for signs of abuse, and how to be sensitive. She was great ... found out I was worried about a stroke/heart attack risk so was taking aspirin daily ... hence the bruises. She pointed out some I didn't know I had. Suggested if I was really worried that maybe I should quit smoking. And stop with the aspirin.

My suggestion ... be honest with your doc!

emer

 

[Pixie Mischief]

I had to make that little comment because I have brittle bones.
I always envision my breaking my hips during sex... seeing the doctor..
he lookin at us... asking what we where doing..
me going "well... we where.. ummm well" LOL
it would be so embarrasing LOL

 

[emer]

I had to make that little comment because I have brittle bones.
I always envision my breaking my hips during sex... seeing the doctor..
he lookin at us... asking what we where doing..
me going "well... we where.. ummm well" LOL
it would be so embarrasing LOL

Lord yes it is embarrassing!!! After that incident it was hard for me to look him or the other docs in that practice in the eye.

(If there was a tinge of venom in my remarks it wasn't aimed at you. Just found out that an aquaintance killed herself last week. Couldn't see anyway else out of an abusive relationship. Wish someone had noticed her bruises 30 something years ago when she was just a kid! Maybe she could have learned to make better choices.)

 

[Pixie Mischief]

awww I'm sorry
abuse is horrible.
my mother has been from abusive relationship to the next.
my father beat her.. and tried to kill her many times.
sometimes people cant learn from there mistakes.

 

[zanna]

hes gonna ask what you where doing when it happened

*sigh*

well, ya see, it was like this, Doc lol...He had me bent over a bit holding onto the dresser, see, and well i was bare-assed naked and uhhhh....well, His belt hit my ass and then...

Doc?! Hey, Doc! NURSE! i think the Doc has passed out on the floor!

 

[Pixie Mischief]

LMAO!!!!!!!!
I hurt my back with sex.
anyway I dread ever breakin something bad enough to see the doc about it.
I mean I doubt it ever would since he knows I'm fragile but accidents happen.

*sigh*

well, ya see, it was like this, Doc lol...He had me bent over a bit holding onto the dresser, see, and well i was bare-assed naked and uhhhh....well, His belt hit my ass and then...

Doc?! Hey, Doc! NURSE! i think the Doc has passed out on the floor!

 

[zanna]

Shadowsdream and Pixie

Now that the kidlets are sleeping and i have a little more time to respond...

i can not say i understand about your panic attacks in that i am not all that familiar with them in myself. Someone very close to me suffers with them horribly. i am her "safe" person, have been for years. i have seen what she experiences and it is really hard. It is a lot to get through day to day for her. It takes a lot of strength -- as i suspect it does for you, too.

 

[Pixie Mischief]

its really hard..
before my treatments I'd have 3 fractures per month and I was bed ridden for 5 years.
the panic attacks/hypocrondria (they sorta go together) was worse then that.
I could live with my disability. But couldnt live with the other.
it takes alot of mental dicipline to be able to control panic attacks.
youd think since I can control panic attacks some that I'd have enough self dicipline to have keept my job LOL
I dont often have full blown panic attacks anymore.
but I fight daily.
I fight against them. try to control my thoughts.
they can be controlled... before its full blown.. then its better to just ride it out.
doctors and nurses here dont take my seriously anymore

 

[Wizard]

I had a diffrent thought here....

Was there much "Pain" going on?

Pain also can produce the same thing you discribed.......Hey just a thought.......