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For the last time will the chatroom henclub please take their whining elsewhere please?
What the hell?????
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Cherry
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Hey Laurel! You got it all mixed up!
Laurel, you misunderstand what happened:
The ceremony WAS purposely setup in a private room called "friends" by the couple celebrating their union ... this was done NOT to exclude anyone, but rather not to interfere with other chatters in The Lounge.
There was an open invitation for anyone who wanted to attend the festivities ... all chatters had to do was ask for the password to the room (as all attending did).
The legitimate gripe is that the PRIVATE room was closed by a CM, with a broadcast stating "This room will now be closed." propelling everyone in the room into The Lounge.
I understand that Ksss has apologized, and that she states her intentions were for the benefit of the majority of chatters. Personally, I find it hard to believe that anyone remaining in The Lounge complained to her for assistance. What were they complaining about exactly? That they weren't invited? (it was an open invitation event) It was her decision to close the private room that caused the festivities to continue in The Lounge (not as you understood). Odd that Ksss was even there at that hour of the evening ... rarely do we see her at that time.
I am happy to hear that you and Loco are discussing possibilities to accommodate future cyber weddings in private rooms. This would be a reversal of his previously stated edict that there will be no cyber weddings allowed in private rooms. When I tried to discuss it with him one time, he just said "That's nice" (re: speech lessons joke)
For those of you who question the veracity of posters on this thread using anonymous names, please note Loco's recent comments about people who have written here. Perhaps, you should further discuss this threat with him, as well Laurel.
Laurel said:
Laurel, you misunderstand what happened:
The ceremony WAS purposely setup in a private room called "friends" by the couple celebrating their union ... this was done NOT to exclude anyone, but rather not to interfere with other chatters in The Lounge.
There was an open invitation for anyone who wanted to attend the festivities ... all chatters had to do was ask for the password to the room (as all attending did).
The legitimate gripe is that the PRIVATE room was closed by a CM, with a broadcast stating "This room will now be closed." propelling everyone in the room into The Lounge.
I understand that Ksss has apologized, and that she states her intentions were for the benefit of the majority of chatters. Personally, I find it hard to believe that anyone remaining in The Lounge complained to her for assistance. What were they complaining about exactly? That they weren't invited? (it was an open invitation event) It was her decision to close the private room that caused the festivities to continue in The Lounge (not as you understood). Odd that Ksss was even there at that hour of the evening ... rarely do we see her at that time.
I am happy to hear that you and Loco are discussing possibilities to accommodate future cyber weddings in private rooms. This would be a reversal of his previously stated edict that there will be no cyber weddings allowed in private rooms. When I tried to discuss it with him one time, he just said "That's nice" (re: speech lessons joke)
For those of you who question the veracity of posters on this thread using anonymous names, please note Loco's recent comments about people who have written here. Perhaps, you should further discuss this threat with him, as well Laurel.
insideShiraz
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Huh?...
How do I get that Peephole thingy to work?
How do I get that Peephole thingy to work?
Cherry
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Renegade ...
I've never seen that nick used in the chat myself ... you might try registering variations of it ... lower case "r" or adding a number/letter which can then be modified back to your original name through settings (bottom right corner) once you login.
Literotica chat is a fun place to be ... a large community of friends who visit regularly. It is a bit different than posting on the BB ... more spontaneous, quick action (which accounts for our poor spelling and grammar <--haha)
Hope we haven't irritated you BB people too much by posting here ... it seemed like a better place to get Laurel's attention without causing a ruckus in the chatroom.
As for your earlier questions about 'cyber weddings' ... I'm sure it sounds a little bit weird from where you're sitting, but try to understand the emotions involved. One-on-one internet relationships can be so powerful. Often times, the frequent interactive communication between two people develops into real love. While the couple may not be free to commit themselves to each other in realife, this is a way to celebrate their feelings for each other in cyberland, in the company of friends who share their happiness. The details of exclusiveness, of course, depend on their own promises to each other.
Renegade said:I know this is off topic, but does anyone that goes to the chat see someone who posts under the name 'Renegade'? I tried to register in the chat under my name and it said someone else had it already. Just wondering.
I've never seen that nick used in the chat myself ... you might try registering variations of it ... lower case "r" or adding a number/letter which can then be modified back to your original name through settings (bottom right corner) once you login.
Literotica chat is a fun place to be ... a large community of friends who visit regularly. It is a bit different than posting on the BB ... more spontaneous, quick action (which accounts for our poor spelling and grammar <--haha)
Hope we haven't irritated you BB people too much by posting here ... it seemed like a better place to get Laurel's attention without causing a ruckus in the chatroom.
As for your earlier questions about 'cyber weddings' ... I'm sure it sounds a little bit weird from where you're sitting, but try to understand the emotions involved. One-on-one internet relationships can be so powerful. Often times, the frequent interactive communication between two people develops into real love. While the couple may not be free to commit themselves to each other in realife, this is a way to celebrate their feelings for each other in cyberland, in the company of friends who share their happiness. The details of exclusiveness, of course, depend on their own promises to each other.
Hope we haven't irritated you BB people too much by posting here ... it seemed like a better place to get Laurel's attention without causing a ruckus in the chatroom.
As far as I was aware, this is a Public Forum for anyone to use, just as the Chat Room is. Don't apologise please, I for one have actually enjoyed reading this thread.
I hope that you all get this problem sorted out and that you once again go back to having the fun you talk about.
As far as I was aware, this is a Public Forum for anyone to use, just as the Chat Room is. Don't apologise please, I for one have actually enjoyed reading this thread.
I hope that you all get this problem sorted out and that you once again go back to having the fun you talk about.
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The Muffsters 2 cents and change, anyone have a ha'penny?
I chat there rather gregariously, as well as run up my BB totals without a thought to others. Anyway.
I came from an IRC chatroom. Anyone not knowing what it is, basically it is a warzone for chatters. People go to IRC chats not to chat and have fun, but to build bigger and better scripts to spank the other guys. Its about who owns the channel, room, whatever. Flooding, nuking, UPD bombs, even hacking goes on with impunity, sometimes DESPITE the system operators (like the chat monitors only on a MUCH larger scale). Lit chat with its java based client is such a relief.
In my personal opinion, Chat monitors have no business sticking their noses into anything that isn't requested or violating the rules. Nor do they have any business monitoring private conversations in private rooms, an option that sysops have always had. Does it stop them? Probably not, we have to rely on their ethics.
Being a sysop or CM is a thankless job. You do it day after day and get called powerhungry jerks because you boot someone popular for breaking a rule. The Lit rules are clearly defined, if I remember correctly, no minors and no sex in the lounge.
Nothing is perfect, it never has been, never will be. To expect it is ridiculous. However, if you don't like the job the CM's are doing, I suggest you shut up and put up. Walk a mile in their birkenstocks. YOU be a chat monitor for a month, coming in when you probably don't feel like it, dealing with people who can't stand you because you have 'too much power.' You make judgement calls that aren't covered by the rules and will piss someone off. You sit in uncomforatble judgement over whether or not someone is behaving badly while having none of the fun of chatting. You can't change rooms, you can't leave the lounge even if the scroll is giving you a splitting headache, and you have to make sure the majority of the chatters enjoy chatting without the nuisances of minors, trolls, and stalkers.
Not all CM's are going to be people you like or people you get along with. If you don't like them that much, change rooms and ignore them. Or just don't chat when they do. Or, the other alternative is to just tolerate them.
Take it from me, there is NOTHING worse than a Chat war. It destroys relationships and annihilates a comfortable place to chat online. Instead of a safe fun chatting atmosphere, you have a battlefield where words are the weapons, and they hurt everyone.
Kiss and make up. It's chat, it is supposed to be fun, not a political combat hapkido arena.
I chat there rather gregariously, as well as run up my BB totals without a thought to others. Anyway.
I came from an IRC chatroom. Anyone not knowing what it is, basically it is a warzone for chatters. People go to IRC chats not to chat and have fun, but to build bigger and better scripts to spank the other guys. Its about who owns the channel, room, whatever. Flooding, nuking, UPD bombs, even hacking goes on with impunity, sometimes DESPITE the system operators (like the chat monitors only on a MUCH larger scale). Lit chat with its java based client is such a relief.
In my personal opinion, Chat monitors have no business sticking their noses into anything that isn't requested or violating the rules. Nor do they have any business monitoring private conversations in private rooms, an option that sysops have always had. Does it stop them? Probably not, we have to rely on their ethics.
Being a sysop or CM is a thankless job. You do it day after day and get called powerhungry jerks because you boot someone popular for breaking a rule. The Lit rules are clearly defined, if I remember correctly, no minors and no sex in the lounge.
Nothing is perfect, it never has been, never will be. To expect it is ridiculous. However, if you don't like the job the CM's are doing, I suggest you shut up and put up. Walk a mile in their birkenstocks. YOU be a chat monitor for a month, coming in when you probably don't feel like it, dealing with people who can't stand you because you have 'too much power.' You make judgement calls that aren't covered by the rules and will piss someone off. You sit in uncomforatble judgement over whether or not someone is behaving badly while having none of the fun of chatting. You can't change rooms, you can't leave the lounge even if the scroll is giving you a splitting headache, and you have to make sure the majority of the chatters enjoy chatting without the nuisances of minors, trolls, and stalkers.
Not all CM's are going to be people you like or people you get along with. If you don't like them that much, change rooms and ignore them. Or just don't chat when they do. Or, the other alternative is to just tolerate them.
Take it from me, there is NOTHING worse than a Chat war. It destroys relationships and annihilates a comfortable place to chat online. Instead of a safe fun chatting atmosphere, you have a battlefield where words are the weapons, and they hurt everyone.
Kiss and make up. It's chat, it is supposed to be fun, not a political combat hapkido arena.
folks enough now we have all stated our opinions and that should be it.
i truly hope that both cms who quit reconsider as i believe that on the whole they did a great job.
apologies have been made let us put this behind us and move on .Laurel has said she wil look into the situation and we should now let her do this. Most of u know me and i think that lit is a great place to be it is fun and that is what it is supposed to be.
thank you again to the cms who continually give up their time to make this a place we can come to and enjoy, REMEMBER without them most of us would leave very quickly
let one has has never made a mistake comment
we all have
i truly hope that both cms who quit reconsider as i believe that on the whole they did a great job.
apologies have been made let us put this behind us and move on .Laurel has said she wil look into the situation and we should now let her do this. Most of u know me and i think that lit is a great place to be it is fun and that is what it is supposed to be.
thank you again to the cms who continually give up their time to make this a place we can come to and enjoy, REMEMBER without them most of us would leave very quickly
let one has has never made a mistake comment
we all have
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Since many of you are "hiding" under false names I thought I would also, just to go with the flow. I to have been coming into Lit for a very long time (almost a year now).To the subject of stalkers in Lit...It seems to me, that Loco tried to do all he could for the party(ies) who were involved in this so called "stalking" incident. Without proof (which the victim supposedly deleted, if in fact there really were threatening emails) how is someone supposed to help? If I was the person being stalked, I for one would NOT delete anything, but would save to disk any damaging piece of information I had. I would have contacted my local phone company (who believe it or not is most willing to come to the aid when a customer files a complaint) and contacted any person I could get my hands on to help me "capture" the stalker. Was Loco supposed to go on sayso? Take one person's word over anothers? Was he suppose to take sides? It makes you wonder what the true grievance is here. That a CM nuked a room, apologized, quit? That Loco is overbearing forcing his will on others? That Laurel, the owner of this property, only answers issues when she feels like it?
In response to Ksss being in Lit chat at that hour at that particular time..Could it be she knew that the CM was going to be "occupied"? Could it be, that perhaps she does indeed visit Lit at that hour, but under an alias, like so many of you complain about? Could it be, as she was in under an alias, saw trouble "brewing" and came into Lit to try to calm things down?
If this was not a "wedding" as the two main characters have repeatedly announced, then why did the male counterpart enter Lit chat as the groom? Why were there continuous referrals to this joining of friendship as a wedding? I also do not understand this cyber wedding stuff, and am trying to understand what the true grievance really is. Do these people plan on getting "married" in real life?
In response to Loco's threat over those of us who post here, could it be that he has himself been threatened, and that he is trying to "save" himself? It is a known fact, that he and Laurel received threatening email from a user, an email which threatened a lawsuit against the site, if this happens will we all still have the "freedom" to continue going into Lit to chat with our friends? Has anyone ever asked why any one particular user has been banned from this site? I for one, would not allow a person into my home who has threatened me with a lawsuit or has made threats to my person!
It seems to me, a few "unhappy" users (weighing this against the number of users who regularly come into Lit chat) who have not gotten their own way are filing petty grievances. This is a privately owned site. Laurel can decide who she wants as a CM, what issues she will address. Does this also make her a "safety nazi"?????
If someone could please clear up this confusion of the true grievance here, please do...
In response to Ksss being in Lit chat at that hour at that particular time..Could it be she knew that the CM was going to be "occupied"? Could it be, that perhaps she does indeed visit Lit at that hour, but under an alias, like so many of you complain about? Could it be, as she was in under an alias, saw trouble "brewing" and came into Lit to try to calm things down?
If this was not a "wedding" as the two main characters have repeatedly announced, then why did the male counterpart enter Lit chat as the groom? Why were there continuous referrals to this joining of friendship as a wedding? I also do not understand this cyber wedding stuff, and am trying to understand what the true grievance really is. Do these people plan on getting "married" in real life?
In response to Loco's threat over those of us who post here, could it be that he has himself been threatened, and that he is trying to "save" himself? It is a known fact, that he and Laurel received threatening email from a user, an email which threatened a lawsuit against the site, if this happens will we all still have the "freedom" to continue going into Lit to chat with our friends? Has anyone ever asked why any one particular user has been banned from this site? I for one, would not allow a person into my home who has threatened me with a lawsuit or has made threats to my person!
It seems to me, a few "unhappy" users (weighing this against the number of users who regularly come into Lit chat) who have not gotten their own way are filing petty grievances. This is a privately owned site. Laurel can decide who she wants as a CM, what issues she will address. Does this also make her a "safety nazi"?????
If someone could please clear up this confusion of the true grievance here, please do...
what the hell........
I have followed this thread with a great sense of sadness.
I have spent a lot of time in the Lit lounge and have met a great number truly nice people. I have also watched a constant procession of semi-illiterate mental basket cases pass through whose presence debases the atmosphere and insults all others who are there. Fortunately we have the ubiquitous CM's on hand who swiftly dispatch these unwanteds out of our presence and back to the dark reaches of under developed humanity. I would have it no other way and I'm sure everyone else feels the same way deep down. Unfortunately, being a referee is not an easy task. Does anyone know of a referee who is not disliked by at least half of the people who are involved?
Let's not forget that this chat line is an adult, erotic chat line. Adult should mean precisely that i.e.grown-up. Erotic, leastways to me, should mean something warm and pleasant to me as an adult not some sexual deviant imposing his sick ways on the rest of us.
We charge our CM's to ensure that the room remains adult and erotic, a thankless task when the people present are as psychologically fragile as this thread would suggest.
For the record I support each and everyone of our CM's 100% which means I accept their occasional frailties but respect their overall intent and sincerity.
In respect of the particular incident which has caused the outpouring of venom I see, I thought the whole idea of the "wedding" was an inane piece of childishness (although till now I have kept this to myself out of a sense of discretion). I equally thought that the closing of the private room was ill-advised (a view that has been accepted with the most dignified and gracious of apologies in this thread from Ksss).
Folks, the good ship Lit has been mortally wounded by this unseemly fracas. What is required now is an urgent repair the like of which can only be achieved by a healthy dose of reconciliation from both sides of this sad affair and an acceptance that all of us can, at times, be wrong.
Are the people concerned able to achieve this? I hope so.......I really do
I have followed this thread with a great sense of sadness.
I have spent a lot of time in the Lit lounge and have met a great number truly nice people. I have also watched a constant procession of semi-illiterate mental basket cases pass through whose presence debases the atmosphere and insults all others who are there. Fortunately we have the ubiquitous CM's on hand who swiftly dispatch these unwanteds out of our presence and back to the dark reaches of under developed humanity. I would have it no other way and I'm sure everyone else feels the same way deep down. Unfortunately, being a referee is not an easy task. Does anyone know of a referee who is not disliked by at least half of the people who are involved?
Let's not forget that this chat line is an adult, erotic chat line. Adult should mean precisely that i.e.grown-up. Erotic, leastways to me, should mean something warm and pleasant to me as an adult not some sexual deviant imposing his sick ways on the rest of us.
We charge our CM's to ensure that the room remains adult and erotic, a thankless task when the people present are as psychologically fragile as this thread would suggest.
For the record I support each and everyone of our CM's 100% which means I accept their occasional frailties but respect their overall intent and sincerity.
In respect of the particular incident which has caused the outpouring of venom I see, I thought the whole idea of the "wedding" was an inane piece of childishness (although till now I have kept this to myself out of a sense of discretion). I equally thought that the closing of the private room was ill-advised (a view that has been accepted with the most dignified and gracious of apologies in this thread from Ksss).
Folks, the good ship Lit has been mortally wounded by this unseemly fracas. What is required now is an urgent repair the like of which can only be achieved by a healthy dose of reconciliation from both sides of this sad affair and an acceptance that all of us can, at times, be wrong.
Are the people concerned able to achieve this? I hope so.......I really do
OK FOLKS, I've refrained from posting on this because I was involved. LET IT END. Ksss has made a public apology, which I accepted publicly. I bear her no ill will, nor does Busty. I understand there are issues yet to be resolved. They have been brought to Laurel's attention. Busty and I appreciate all the support very much. Neither of us want to see the chat room explode. I ask you, dear friends, as a personal favor to me, let's end this. An error in judgement was made. That error has been acknowledged. Apologies were made and accepted.
I ask KSSS to please reconsider leaving. I for one will surely miss you if you do leave.
As far as I'm concerned, this is no longer an issue. Let us all put this behind us, and go back to what we all do best..... lets all talk about S E X
Bud
I ask KSSS to please reconsider leaving. I for one will surely miss you if you do leave.
As far as I'm concerned, this is no longer an issue. Let us all put this behind us, and go back to what we all do best..... lets all talk about S E X
Bud
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what the hell???????
you know...have been reading all this stuff...and i have to say that i agree with norm...seems to me that this has been blown so far out of proportion...and not even sure why?
i was there monday night...was booted out of the room, was there when JD made his comment....and to be honest, didnt think twice about any of it...actually thought the boot was fun
what is upsetting to me is that personality conflicts are getting in the way of the room....not that that hasnt happened before, and will happen again
loco, jd, ksss, bud, lady have only been good to me...helping me in times of stress....laughing in time of pure silliness
remember....its fucking online.....none of this really matters....when its not fun anymore...leave....thats what i intend to do!!!
ecb-lauri
you know...have been reading all this stuff...and i have to say that i agree with norm...seems to me that this has been blown so far out of proportion...and not even sure why?
i was there monday night...was booted out of the room, was there when JD made his comment....and to be honest, didnt think twice about any of it...actually thought the boot was fun
what is upsetting to me is that personality conflicts are getting in the way of the room....not that that hasnt happened before, and will happen again
loco, jd, ksss, bud, lady have only been good to me...helping me in times of stress....laughing in time of pure silliness
remember....its fucking online.....none of this really matters....when its not fun anymore...leave....thats what i intend to do!!!
ecb-lauri
"Cyber-Weddings" and maybe some real facts
Well, gee, nice to see that I'm so loved
First of all let's talk about "cyber-weddings". Personally I agree with Norm. I find the whole idea silly. If Lit or any other chat site becomes your reality, for God's sake seek help. I told Bud, that as long as no CM's were there in an official capacity, and it was done in a private room, I didn't care. Still don't. The problem is that it didn't stay in the locked room. Norm's guests talked about it in the lounge and even gave out the pass word. Then guess what? Other people are upset that they didn't get invited.
What Ksss did was wrong. She's apolgized to Bud and he accepted it, but guess what? Some people have chosen to keep at it. They've turned the attack personal on Ksss and JD and me. It's not about the "wedding", it's about some meanspirited, ill mannered people who want everything their way.
First of all lets address "free speech". Since Lit is private property and Laurel pays the bill every month she has the right to decide what happens here. She has put the chatroom in the hands of 6 people she trusts. Are we always right? hell no. Are the guests always right? Don't even go there.
If you really want to see how far free speech on private property will take you, go to McDonald's, get up on a chair and announce (loudly) that the special sauce is made of donkey piss and camel cum. Better yet, come to my house and call me an asshole to my face. You have that right, but since you're on my property I have a right too. My right is to be sure you shit enamel for a week.
Free speech also entails responsibiltiy. You as an adult have to be prepared to take the responsibility for your own actions. There's no such thing as a free ride in a democracy. You doubt that, go stand at Gettysburg or in the national cemetary at Arlington. There's the price that was paid so you can shoot off your mouth in an adult chat room.
Now lets talk a few direct responses and real truths about what you all posted.
Guest2.....You called us Nazis. How dare you compare the nuking of a chatroom with the death of over seven million people? Suggest you go to Washington and tour the holocaust museum, and maybe talk to some people with numbers tattooed on their arms. You need a severe dose of reality.
wedding guest.....drunk with power? how about your bestest buddy and her chatroom? From what I hear, that was one of the worst cases of abuse of power yet.
aceit.....never heard of you
JC.... nice to see you under any name. Lets see, oh yes here it is. Accused another user, SJ, of stalking and threatening. Forwarded some e-mail to Laurel and me that wasn't in the least threatening. Stated that you'd "erased" the real bad stuff. (skeptical here) You wanted SJ removed after it had come to your attention that maybe he wasn't being exclusive. Oh, forgot one other thing, You were very much engaged in real life weren't you?
Busty....why is it that whenever there's a major blow up I find your fingerprints all over it? When we met in Niagara Falls SJ was also your buddy. Two days later you want him banned from the site, without offering a bit of proof. You also threatened to call his employer, I believe. Then you also threatened to kill me, isn't that right? While we're at it, would you like to comment on the sheer nastiness you inflicted on another guest when he told you he was no longer in love with you? Y'see Busty, you're a real gem at starting stuff and then all of a sudden standing there going "but I didn't do anything".
One other thing Busty? When did bigamy become legal in Canada?
Before I move on to the next one, lets talk about SJ and clear something up. Yes, he's a friend. Has been since I first came to the room. Yes he's allowed to talk in caps. He's done it since way before any of you showed up. He's not yelling he's just SJ. Just a short reminder to those of you who were objecting to that a few months ago......when you cybering your tails off with him, you weren't objecting to his use of caps. Think there maybe a Shakespere quote that applies here.
In closing let me also tell all of you, SJ has been on the carpet with me and the other CM's. Never once have I heard him whine about his right to free speech or "I'm going to complain to Laurel"
Dear Innocent TL.....let's be honest here. You're pissed and still whining that K-Bear is banned and if he's seen on the site he's to be booted. Did he tell you why? Has he told you about threatening to sue Literotica and me? Would you like to see the proof in his very badly punctuated and terrible grammar e-mails? We still have them. Did he also tell you about threatening other guests? If you'd like to talk to them, I'm sure they'd be happy to relay the experience. You don't have to like me, it isn't a job requirement, I checked.
Ezzy....you put your ha'penny in. Would you also like to tell these good people what happened when you and a young lady were being stalked? Did the CM's do what they could and direct you to where you could get help? You might want to put a bit of a balance on your statement.
The rest of you that feel we are infringing on your rights, well, all I can say is that Lit has grown 10 fold since December when I became the first CM. It isn't always enjoyable to have to constantly watch what's going on. We all do it because we care enough about the site to want to help. Most of the comments I receive are about how much fun the place is. We're not here to insure that you as a person have a good time. We're here to make sure the site is fun for the majority. If the whiners and complainers don't like the way we run the site, they have a perfect option, go to another chatroom. Some that do so will be deeply missed.
If we're really so bad, then explain the new arrivals that have fit right in and why the majority of those that have left have come back?
As JD said, maybe some of you ought to grow up and take some responsibilty for your own actions.
Well, gee, nice to see that I'm so loved
First of all let's talk about "cyber-weddings". Personally I agree with Norm. I find the whole idea silly. If Lit or any other chat site becomes your reality, for God's sake seek help. I told Bud, that as long as no CM's were there in an official capacity, and it was done in a private room, I didn't care. Still don't. The problem is that it didn't stay in the locked room. Norm's guests talked about it in the lounge and even gave out the pass word. Then guess what? Other people are upset that they didn't get invited.
What Ksss did was wrong. She's apolgized to Bud and he accepted it, but guess what? Some people have chosen to keep at it. They've turned the attack personal on Ksss and JD and me. It's not about the "wedding", it's about some meanspirited, ill mannered people who want everything their way.
First of all lets address "free speech". Since Lit is private property and Laurel pays the bill every month she has the right to decide what happens here. She has put the chatroom in the hands of 6 people she trusts. Are we always right? hell no. Are the guests always right? Don't even go there.
If you really want to see how far free speech on private property will take you, go to McDonald's, get up on a chair and announce (loudly) that the special sauce is made of donkey piss and camel cum. Better yet, come to my house and call me an asshole to my face. You have that right, but since you're on my property I have a right too. My right is to be sure you shit enamel for a week.
Free speech also entails responsibiltiy. You as an adult have to be prepared to take the responsibility for your own actions. There's no such thing as a free ride in a democracy. You doubt that, go stand at Gettysburg or in the national cemetary at Arlington. There's the price that was paid so you can shoot off your mouth in an adult chat room.
Now lets talk a few direct responses and real truths about what you all posted.
Guest2.....You called us Nazis. How dare you compare the nuking of a chatroom with the death of over seven million people? Suggest you go to Washington and tour the holocaust museum, and maybe talk to some people with numbers tattooed on their arms. You need a severe dose of reality.
wedding guest.....drunk with power? how about your bestest buddy and her chatroom? From what I hear, that was one of the worst cases of abuse of power yet.
aceit.....never heard of you
JC.... nice to see you under any name. Lets see, oh yes here it is. Accused another user, SJ, of stalking and threatening. Forwarded some e-mail to Laurel and me that wasn't in the least threatening. Stated that you'd "erased" the real bad stuff. (skeptical here) You wanted SJ removed after it had come to your attention that maybe he wasn't being exclusive. Oh, forgot one other thing, You were very much engaged in real life weren't you?
Busty....why is it that whenever there's a major blow up I find your fingerprints all over it? When we met in Niagara Falls SJ was also your buddy. Two days later you want him banned from the site, without offering a bit of proof. You also threatened to call his employer, I believe. Then you also threatened to kill me, isn't that right? While we're at it, would you like to comment on the sheer nastiness you inflicted on another guest when he told you he was no longer in love with you? Y'see Busty, you're a real gem at starting stuff and then all of a sudden standing there going "but I didn't do anything".
One other thing Busty? When did bigamy become legal in Canada?
Before I move on to the next one, lets talk about SJ and clear something up. Yes, he's a friend. Has been since I first came to the room. Yes he's allowed to talk in caps. He's done it since way before any of you showed up. He's not yelling he's just SJ. Just a short reminder to those of you who were objecting to that a few months ago......when you cybering your tails off with him, you weren't objecting to his use of caps. Think there maybe a Shakespere quote that applies here.
In closing let me also tell all of you, SJ has been on the carpet with me and the other CM's. Never once have I heard him whine about his right to free speech or "I'm going to complain to Laurel"
Dear Innocent TL.....let's be honest here. You're pissed and still whining that K-Bear is banned and if he's seen on the site he's to be booted. Did he tell you why? Has he told you about threatening to sue Literotica and me? Would you like to see the proof in his very badly punctuated and terrible grammar e-mails? We still have them. Did he also tell you about threatening other guests? If you'd like to talk to them, I'm sure they'd be happy to relay the experience. You don't have to like me, it isn't a job requirement, I checked.
Ezzy....you put your ha'penny in. Would you also like to tell these good people what happened when you and a young lady were being stalked? Did the CM's do what they could and direct you to where you could get help? You might want to put a bit of a balance on your statement.
The rest of you that feel we are infringing on your rights, well, all I can say is that Lit has grown 10 fold since December when I became the first CM. It isn't always enjoyable to have to constantly watch what's going on. We all do it because we care enough about the site to want to help. Most of the comments I receive are about how much fun the place is. We're not here to insure that you as a person have a good time. We're here to make sure the site is fun for the majority. If the whiners and complainers don't like the way we run the site, they have a perfect option, go to another chatroom. Some that do so will be deeply missed.
If we're really so bad, then explain the new arrivals that have fit right in and why the majority of those that have left have come back?
As JD said, maybe some of you ought to grow up and take some responsibilty for your own actions.
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Boy, don't you wish those chat people could get over their petty bickering, and live in peace and harmony like we do?
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i agree with Laurel. As a relative newby to lit i have found a lot of welcoming and loving people. I myself would not go as far as a cyber-wedding but do not chastise those who chose to partake in such an event. Both Bud and Busty are friends of mine and i fully support their right to express their love. As for blues, i did not witness said event and am not going to judge. In my experience these people are invaluable in keeping annoying and underage people out and making the place more pleasent for the rest of us. Time this was laid to rest folks, lets enjoy the place like we should
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Some Balance (I hope)
I was commenting only on the facts that had been stated in the posts before mine.
I had spoken with Budman prior to the evening, and had dropped in to the "Lounge" before it kicked off. Asking those regulars that I know, who were in at that time, to pass on my apologies to Bud and Busty for not being there.
With regards to the your comment about the stalking incident.
Yes the Cm's (you in particular) did assist when it was happening, and I have not to my knowledge ever publicly acknowledged that fact. So please accept my public thanks for your help.
I do understand that it is a generally thankless job, and will now state I do think that the site is a better place for having Cm’s.
I am not saying I have not sometimes been troubled, by some of the attitudes I have encountered with some of the Cm’s, but I do know that they act in good faith on issues that are brought to them.
There have been times and issues, that I have brought my concerns to Laurel’s attention.
I too have found myself “on the carpet” with Cm’s for some of the things I have done in the “Lounge”, but I was called on, for actions which were out of order and could be seen as hurtful to other members, or the site.
I always have the greatest respect for the good work that the Cm’s do, and I hope that all the Cm’s and the rest of the BB understand that.
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Loco said:
I was commenting only on the facts that had been stated in the posts before mine.
I had spoken with Budman prior to the evening, and had dropped in to the "Lounge" before it kicked off. Asking those regulars that I know, who were in at that time, to pass on my apologies to Bud and Busty for not being there.
With regards to the your comment about the stalking incident.
Yes the Cm's (you in particular) did assist when it was happening, and I have not to my knowledge ever publicly acknowledged that fact. So please accept my public thanks for your help.
I do understand that it is a generally thankless job, and will now state I do think that the site is a better place for having Cm’s.
I am not saying I have not sometimes been troubled, by some of the attitudes I have encountered with some of the Cm’s, but I do know that they act in good faith on issues that are brought to them.
There have been times and issues, that I have brought my concerns to Laurel’s attention.
I too have found myself “on the carpet” with Cm’s for some of the things I have done in the “Lounge”, but I was called on, for actions which were out of order and could be seen as hurtful to other members, or the site.
I always have the greatest respect for the good work that the Cm’s do, and I hope that all the Cm’s and the rest of the BB understand that.
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WELL SAID DARY. Let's put it to rest folks. Let's drop the name calling. Got a problem with me? Then tell ME, not the world. So, kind, gentle, loving folks, let this misunderstanding rest. Views, opinions, feelings have been stated, and I'm sure, noted by Laurel.
Move along folks. Nothing to see here.
Bud
Move along folks. Nothing to see here.
Bud
Hello to all that knows me ...
Most of you who knows me, knows me quite well by now ... I haven't been going to Lit chat very long and hardly knew anyone there ... however ... I made friends there on the very first day I went there and I have not been sorry since ... what I am sorry about is that I actually lost two friends ... even though we never talked much the two CM's who had quit and I got a long well and it is know that I stand up for people when there is no CM's around to defends them and always did this in polite a manner as possible.
Unfortunately ... most of the CM's are all in one country and not all the chatters are ... I come from South-Africa and I'm in a time zone 6 to 9 hours ahead of most of the people I talk to in Lit and I have seen how people have been taking advantage of the situation when there was no CM's available ... after all ... they are only human and they need there rest too.
So ... I am truly sorry that Lit lost two great people ... people that stood up for our rights when they had too ... and when we wasked them too ... However ... I do feel that some people who was objecting to what was happening had no right to do so whatsoever ... even though I am not a citizen of the USA I do believe in freedom of speech and I do believe some has their right to privacy if they should choose to be private ... after all ... isn't that the purpose of a private room?!
Even though I have never had a run in with a CM, it doesn't mean that I never will, and if it does happen then I am pretty sure that their judgement would have been just, had I deserved it ...
So ... to Lauren and all the remaining CM's ... thanx for being there for us when we needed you and still need you ... I for one greatly appreciate it ...
Most of you who knows me, knows me quite well by now ... I haven't been going to Lit chat very long and hardly knew anyone there ... however ... I made friends there on the very first day I went there and I have not been sorry since ... what I am sorry about is that I actually lost two friends ... even though we never talked much the two CM's who had quit and I got a long well and it is know that I stand up for people when there is no CM's around to defends them and always did this in polite a manner as possible.
Unfortunately ... most of the CM's are all in one country and not all the chatters are ... I come from South-Africa and I'm in a time zone 6 to 9 hours ahead of most of the people I talk to in Lit and I have seen how people have been taking advantage of the situation when there was no CM's available ... after all ... they are only human and they need there rest too.
So ... I am truly sorry that Lit lost two great people ... people that stood up for our rights when they had too ... and when we wasked them too ... However ... I do feel that some people who was objecting to what was happening had no right to do so whatsoever ... even though I am not a citizen of the USA I do believe in freedom of speech and I do believe some has their right to privacy if they should choose to be private ... after all ... isn't that the purpose of a private room?!
Even though I have never had a run in with a CM, it doesn't mean that I never will, and if it does happen then I am pretty sure that their judgement would have been just, had I deserved it ...
So ... to Lauren and all the remaining CM's ... thanx for being there for us when we needed you and still need you ... I for one greatly appreciate it ...
Everyone needs to take a huge step back and get a better look at the situation. Yes ksss booted everyone out of the wedding but she has apologized to the primary people involved and if they were mature enough to accept her regrets why should anyone else have the right to condemn her for it? I was at the wedding, I was booted, and I went right on having fun out in the lounge.
As for the cyber weddings which have become a reason for war among us friends. As I was the first one to get "cyber married" I think I should clear a few things up for everyone. First of all, I haven't lost touch with reality in the least. It was a joke which took place out in the lounge among four friends that got way out of hand. But even the wedding itself was for the fun everyone. There was not a serious person in the room. I mean we were given fake gifts such as toilets for frig sakes. The whole thing was meant as fun..........the keyword there being FUN! I mean isn't that the reason we are all there at lit to begin with.....to have fun?
Speaking of fun.......for all you people who seem to be out on a cm witch hunt I ask you one thing. Who is it you go to when you are being harrassed, when you have a complaint about the site or fellow users, who is it who comes to your aide when needed? Mistakes are made by everyone, all of us included. I know one thing for certain....when I need help with an agressive person or when I have any other problems ALL of the CM's have been nothing short of helpful. At one point I was being stalked and I was afraid. These people who you are so quick to condemn did everything they could to help me with the situation. One CM even went to far as to spend an entire night on line listening to me and using any and all of his skills to fix a situation that had gotten way out of hand.
I don't know what I would do with out the assistance of the CM's but I do know lit would not be the same place I go every night to enjoy myself and my friends. We all have bad days, we all make mistakes, and we have all said something or done something out in the room which we have regreted only seconds too late. Lit was created for all of us to enjoy together and I think you have lost that somewhere along the line. It makes me sad to see everyone moving to seperate corners. I can only say that I will remain in the center of the ring ready to be friends with both users and CM's.
As for the cyber weddings which have become a reason for war among us friends. As I was the first one to get "cyber married" I think I should clear a few things up for everyone. First of all, I haven't lost touch with reality in the least. It was a joke which took place out in the lounge among four friends that got way out of hand. But even the wedding itself was for the fun everyone. There was not a serious person in the room. I mean we were given fake gifts such as toilets for frig sakes. The whole thing was meant as fun..........the keyword there being FUN! I mean isn't that the reason we are all there at lit to begin with.....to have fun?
Speaking of fun.......for all you people who seem to be out on a cm witch hunt I ask you one thing. Who is it you go to when you are being harrassed, when you have a complaint about the site or fellow users, who is it who comes to your aide when needed? Mistakes are made by everyone, all of us included. I know one thing for certain....when I need help with an agressive person or when I have any other problems ALL of the CM's have been nothing short of helpful. At one point I was being stalked and I was afraid. These people who you are so quick to condemn did everything they could to help me with the situation. One CM even went to far as to spend an entire night on line listening to me and using any and all of his skills to fix a situation that had gotten way out of hand.
I don't know what I would do with out the assistance of the CM's but I do know lit would not be the same place I go every night to enjoy myself and my friends. We all have bad days, we all make mistakes, and we have all said something or done something out in the room which we have regreted only seconds too late. Lit was created for all of us to enjoy together and I think you have lost that somewhere along the line. It makes me sad to see everyone moving to seperate corners. I can only say that I will remain in the center of the ring ready to be friends with both users and CM's.
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Well well well, lets get it all out now. Yes when we met in Niagara Falls we were buddies weren't we - and when i went to you and asked you to help you said and I quote "no matter what happens we'll always be friends" so much for that remark - that went down the tubes the same way everything else did with you. As for threatening to call SJ's employer - I don't seen to recall that - I do however remember you saying that if it were true and he was doing what he was being accused of you would go to IBM Security if that's what it took. As for threatening you - well let's tell the whole story shall we - I had given you some information about what was going to happen in Lit and you turned around and informed your good buddy to stay out of Lit - information that may I remind you I thought was between us - the remark I made to you I believe was "I could kill you for telling him - you betrayed a confidence."
A very serious threat Loco. As for the other person you mentioned - seems to me that he and I have no problems - ask him yourself since we are still friends. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones Loco.
I left Lit for 6 weeks to let things die down - I came back hoping that this was all behind me but as your brother once said - when CT hates he freezes you out and never lets you forget it. I was not the one who started this Loco - Ksss made an error in nuking the room and her apology was accepted when it was made. I did not insult a room full of people like someone else did. I have tried my best to avoid you but it seems whenever I come into Lit and you are there, you take perverse pleasure in trying to insult me - as noted by others not just me. I will not be blamed for this one Loco - Bud and I reaffirmed a strong friendship in a Private room. I did not close that room and have accepted Ksss appology for doing that but it seems that the dissent stems from your own doing. I come into Lit to be with my friends and have fun - end of story. I have written on hear publicly asking for this not to get out of hand and so has Bud. If you have a problem with me than take it up with me - as Laurel once said to me - talk to Loco and see if you can settle things - my answer to her was I would but he doesn't talk to me. It is time for you to stop this nonsense and let all of us put it behind us. I have been trying to do so for months - I would suggest that you do the same.
Well well well, lets get it all out now. Yes when we met in Niagara Falls we were buddies weren't we - and when i went to you and asked you to help you said and I quote "no matter what happens we'll always be friends" so much for that remark - that went down the tubes the same way everything else did with you. As for threatening to call SJ's employer - I don't seen to recall that - I do however remember you saying that if it were true and he was doing what he was being accused of you would go to IBM Security if that's what it took. As for threatening you - well let's tell the whole story shall we - I had given you some information about what was going to happen in Lit and you turned around and informed your good buddy to stay out of Lit - information that may I remind you I thought was between us - the remark I made to you I believe was "I could kill you for telling him - you betrayed a confidence."
A very serious threat Loco. As for the other person you mentioned - seems to me that he and I have no problems - ask him yourself since we are still friends. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones Loco.
I left Lit for 6 weeks to let things die down - I came back hoping that this was all behind me but as your brother once said - when CT hates he freezes you out and never lets you forget it. I was not the one who started this Loco - Ksss made an error in nuking the room and her apology was accepted when it was made. I did not insult a room full of people like someone else did. I have tried my best to avoid you but it seems whenever I come into Lit and you are there, you take perverse pleasure in trying to insult me - as noted by others not just me. I will not be blamed for this one Loco - Bud and I reaffirmed a strong friendship in a Private room. I did not close that room and have accepted Ksss appology for doing that but it seems that the dissent stems from your own doing. I come into Lit to be with my friends and have fun - end of story. I have written on hear publicly asking for this not to get out of hand and so has Bud. If you have a problem with me than take it up with me - as Laurel once said to me - talk to Loco and see if you can settle things - my answer to her was I would but he doesn't talk to me. It is time for you to stop this nonsense and let all of us put it behind us. I have been trying to do so for months - I would suggest that you do the same.
Loco.......hmmmmmm......cant say its oh so nice to see you again.
You told me that you would do anything in your power to help me as I recall. Funny.......YOU came to ME. To help me.......well, m'dear.........I don't think you did such a good job. You took sides, plain and simple. You dropped the ball on that one, admit it.
You told me that you would do anything in your power to help me as I recall. Funny.......YOU came to ME. To help me.......well, m'dear.........I don't think you did such a good job. You took sides, plain and simple. You dropped the ball on that one, admit it.
