What the hell?????

[Diablo 1]

i wasnt there when this act happened and i must say i disagree stongly with the action taken,but ppl also must realise that cms are human and make mistakes too . hopefully ppl will see this from both sides and realise that if two ppl want to show a public demonstration of affection that should be applauded
also ppl have to realise that the cms are trying to help everyone by keeping alot of morons out so that we can all enjoy our time there. BUT please remember anothr room got destroyed because of cms thinking they were all powerful a balance must be reached but will all pls realise that this is meant to be a fun site lets try and keep it that way


to Busty and Bud i offer my hearty congrats and good wishes
and to the cms i ask you to carry on doing the job that is under appreciated maybe if the reasons for this action had been explained all this bad feeling could have been avoided

 

[Guest]

Is (****) perfect? Certainly not. Is he a great guy? You bet he is. Has his presence and participation in the chat room been a positive thing for Literotica? I'll answer by telling you this: this summer (after Loco took over), we had to upgrade our chat hosting account because we had too many people in chat simultaneously for our old plan. At peak times right now, we're approaching the occupancy limit of even the upgraded plan.

So when a C.M. puts up a chat broadcast saying, FOR HOT PHONE SEX, PRESS ALT+F4. And then jokes about the number of self boots it causes. He's actually acting in your interests by reducing the number of visitors to your site?

Incidently, while we're on the subject of Lit' chat, does any one have any tips for optimizing a P.C. to make the chat programme run faster. Especially since the last Digichat upgrade, it takes ages to download the javachat applet, and I only have to miss a scroll button by a millimetre and the whole window freezes, apart from the revolving banner.
(I'm running Win95, AOL, IE5.)

 

[ace-it]

cyber weddings

OK Laurel.....You have said your piece, and I respect the position you are in. It should be noted that I went off the beaten track, and dissed some of the monitors, and for that I will NOT take anything back. Sort of "Thats my story and I'm sticking to it" sort of thing. But the fundamental differences of opinion we have here is whether a cyber wedding is ok, or not.....plain and simple. What do you think?? The majority of us as "regulars" feel that it should be ok. While Loco is trying to do a certain job here, and in most cases (in my opinion) a decent stab at it, should he not go with the majority, or what seems to be the majority in "allowing" something that is fun, interesting to the people involved, and not harmful in any way that I can see to other participants in the site??? It does seem Laurel that Loco arbitrarily says yea or nay to goings on, without any form of input from the participants involved, or the population as a whole, and I feel this is the wrong approach. .....Thanks

 

[MorningStar]

Thank you Laurel, for having the room in the first place and for taking the time and effort you have in keeping it up and running. I swore I wasn't going to come in here and read the board, because over the last year it always seems to be a place where anger gets vented. I suppose in that respect it serves it's purpose. We all have times when we need to release our emotions. I only hope that once vented those emotions can be let go. I abhor name calling and vicious words. I tend to be the one in the middle, trying to see things from bothsides of the fence. To say the least it's a wobbly spot to sit.

Unfortunately the events of Monday night went beyond the expectations of any of the visitors to the chat room. In retrospect, there were various factors that not everyone was aware of, and do to the universal lack of communication we seem to face anywhere in life, emotions got in the way of common sense. We can all learn a lesson from this, or we can continue to rehash the events, point fingers, call names and act like 10 year olds. I can only hope that as a group of adults that we chose instead to move on and let the issue go. What each person does is their own free will. The room can be a place we go to share fun or bitterness. Usually the majority rules but we know that often the squeaky wheel is the one that gets oiled.

Rather than continue to add fuel to this fire, I think it’s time to let the issue drop. It serves no purpose to try and pit people against other people, to divide the room into fractions and cliques that think a certain way. That would only damage the room as a whole and we will see more of our chat friends leave to seek their company elsewhere. Diversity is the spice of life and tolerance is necessary here as well as in your day to day real world. Both Ksss and JD have decided to remove themselves from the room. Not as an apology for their beliefs, but in response to the anger from a few. They’ve chosen to not take on in their personal lives the animosities of something in the cyber world. We all have our stories to tell and sometimes when the cyber world becomes our reality, it’s time for a reality check. Maybe we all should look within and see if the internet is playing too large of a role for us before we lose more good people.


I've been in this chat room almost from the day you opened it, and yes in the beginning it wasn't always a place I wanted to be. The additions of chatmasters helped. Like any such position there runs a fine line between being yourself and being totally objective. I would not care for the job myself. It's been offered to me and I have refused repeatedly. Call me the fence sitter once again.

I might make one suggestion that could possibly relieve any futher such situations. We have a BB line for role playing, why not create a role playing room in the chat arena? It would give a place for those to go that enjoy that sort of thing.

MorningStar

 

[Guest]

Laurel
I was not going to reply to all of this but since so many have taken on the cause for Budman and myself I felt I could do no less than to say something. Bud and I chose to reaffirm our friendship - one that goes beyond Lit - and we chose to do it with our friends. We used a private room to do so and Bud was not in as a Blue. Since what we did was not something designed to hurt anyone I fail to see how we could have offended anyone so badly. I believe this goes beyond what can or cannot be done in Lit - if it had been anyone else it would not have come to this.
I have tried hard since I returned to lit to avoid any confrontations with anyone - in fact if you ask any of the regulars in lit i am on very good terms with everyone - but there are some who just won't let the past lie and are punishing both bud and I for being friends. It is time for them to grow up and let it go - it serves no purpose other than to cause this kind of dissent in the room.

 

[Guest]

slow down little buckaroos ,,,

OK folks. Step off. Take a deep breath. Swallow a chill pill. Relax. Glory be and save us ...

Now everyone, gather round for a big group hug. Hold it ... hold it .... hold it ....

Now, don't you all feel better? Rise above the fray. Remember, the more love you give the more you'll find. It hurts to see friends fighting. You make me cry.

I knew this psych minor would come in handy some day.

Love, light and peace friends.

Doc

 

[R Nitelight]

Hi, Doctor Nick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Guest]

By the way, guest, am I an asshole or a moron? Or both? Now that would be cool _ a moronic asshole. (sorry, don't know how to make those quote thingies)

R Nightlight, I am truly humbled to be addressed by a Literotica Guru. ~genuflects~

Doc

 

[Sparky Kronkite]

Hey Doc Nick?

Can you fix me up with some Elvis goodies?

 

[R Nitelight]

Dr. Nick

You see, he comes out on stage, waves, and says, "Hi, everybody!"
And the audience answers, "Hi, Doctor Nick!!!!!!!!!!!"

 

[Guest]

woo-hoo!

It is also the reason that this sight is losing alot of good people leaving only the assholes and morons behind!!!! [/B]

I think I figured it out! ~Dances around the room~

Pssst, R Nitelight, I got these gloves free with my toilet brush. Sorry I spelled your name wrong.

 

[Renegade]

Sorry, just had to do this...

Hi, Dr. Nick!!!!!

 

[Ksss]

To all of you h=who have written complaints here concerning the events of the other night. Yes it was I, ksss, who with bad judgement "nuked" the friendship room. I have aoplogized to both of the main characters both in email and in public in the lounge with many people as witnesses. This was NOT an act of jealousy, this was NOT an act from not being included. This was an act brought on by the concensus of the room. I have NEVER , in the entire time I have been a CM, acted on my own personal feeling. If I had I would not have been able to do this job. I have been called everything from a fucking baseboard slut to a fucking, power hungry, abusive, egotistical bitch. And NOT once did i boot these people/persons because of this. I only have ever booted or banned when these so called "good" people have abused other users. Some of you would not believe the PMs i receive, which I have to ignore. Once, just once, try to sit in my spot for a day. I have tried to help many people, both in the chat room and out of the chat. Help with trying to console, fix computer problems, help when they are having problems at home, when someone just needs a shoulder to cry on, I try to be there for them. Is this what I was orignally told this "job" consisted of??? No, not at all. Many people come to me, not the other way around. So those of you who feel I am a threat to all of the users in Lit, please have the decency to say this to me using your name I know you by, instead of "hiding" behind a fake name. If I was of the cowardly nature I would not be here right now laying myself open to all of you. So to those of you who think I am unfair, an abusiver of my power, power hungry, or whatever, think again. I do NOT get paid to be continually stabbed in the back, to be called outrageous names. I do NOT get paid to try to keep Lit chat fun for everyone. AND I DO NOT AND HAVE NEVER CYBERED IN LIT WHEN I AM ON DUTY!!!! So, having spoken my bit, I hope that those of you who have read this and disagree with what I have written here, will have the decency to post using the name i know you by. The way I act in the room is no different than I am in real life. As I stated earlier in this post, I have publically apologized, and it seemed the apology was accepted. To those of you who don't really know me, I am sorry for what you think was unfair treatment. For those of you who do know me and have seen how I "work" in Lit, I hope you will realize, I did this for the majority, as everything I have ever done in Lit has been for the majority. I hope all who read this post will think about what I have written here. Look back and judge me for what I have done for either you, or a friend in Lit. Do I and the other CMs really deserve this bashing?? If we all leave Lit will you still have the "freedoms" you do now, that is if the room stays open? Will you all be able to handle the "degenerates" we try to keep away from the many great people who come to Lit chat? I am not trying to sway anyones mind with my opinions as each persons uniqueness is their oneness of themself, their beliefs, their privilidge to freedom of speech, their own opinions. I hold above all else, each and every individual, even the bad ones, who repeatedly continue to enter Lit chats door, as very special, unique individuals. Have a great day/night everyone!

 

[Guest]

Can't we all just get along? I think all the chat monitors are wicked cool(one in particular is the coolest!). Hey, don't I know you?
Doc

 

[Laurel]

>>If Literotica has a policy not to allow private weddings or ceremonies in a private room, I would like to hear that from Laurel.<<

I have no problem with chat weddings. I don't even know what a chat wedding is, to be honest. However, what we must all realize is that the chat room is there for everyone, and for a group of people to jump in and monopolize a room in which others are chatting - no matter how much fun this group is having - is a bit inconsiderate to everyone else. Not everyone enjoys or wants to be involved in these weddings, believe it or not. Just as you don't want to be "forced" into a course of action, neither do others. The idea behind confining the weddings to private rooms was to not unduly irritate those not interested in participating. From my understanding of the situation, which is flawed and third-hand, the rights of those not wishing to be involved were not being respected.

Loco and I are currently working on how to balance the needs of the "wedding" people and those who do not want the rooms to be flooded with "weddings". Contrary to popular opinion, this is not a one-sided issue. I did indeed answer your questions in my first post, had you taken the time to actually read it instead of skimming it. If you want to demonize the CM's so you can play the rebel, go right ahead. If you'd rather be an adult and try to work towards finding a solution that's best for the chat as a whole - not just your corner of it - I applaud you.

Whether the CM in this case overreacted to some degree is not in question - I'm sure she did. I'm also sure that she's a wonderful person who cares deeply for the chat and its people. She's also a human being who makes mistakes. She did not deserve to be burned at the stake for one error in her tenure as chat monitor.

There's a certain type of person who is offended by any type of authority, even if said "authority" is just some poor slob helping out a free site for no pay. I would hope that since this is an adult board that we would all be able to handle situations like this in an adult manner, to see that our side is not the only side, to try to understand the positions of all involved, to not resort to name-calling and accusations of Nazism. To those of you who've handled this maturely (MorningStar! Submit another story, will ya! ), thank you.

P.S. Two of my chat monitors quit today, in no small part due to the abuse they've received both on this thread and through email. Thanks, everyone. You should feel proud.

 

[Sparky Kronkite]

Jeesh!!!

The Little Chapel of the Web.

Planning a wedding in a chat room? What the hell is this world coming to?

By the way - I perform chat divorces - for a small fee of course.

But it's a quickie - Sparky's Quick and Easy.

Soon I'll be on to funerals, bahmitzfas, (spelling there my Hebrew friends?) - briss, and cotillions.

Web Events Inc. - think how much you save not having to rent tents.

 

[Renegade]

I know this is off topic, but does anyone that goes to the chat see someone who posts under the name 'Renegade'? I tried to register in the chat under my name and it said someone else had it already. Just wondering.

 

[Shylady]

I have stopped posting here for a while now and only do so now to just say one thing. I was not there on the night this happened I have my opionion but will keep it to myself.. However, Laurel, I know alot of us have complained about loco before and you never seem to acknowlegde that he does anything wrong. I have seen a number of postings on this thread that have said the very same thing I did in the letter I sent to you that didn't even recieve a response from you. So what this must mean is that loco can run the damn room and do what he wants and those of us on his bad side should just watch out.

*shrugging* fine I can redline him too I suppose

 

[Sparky Kronkite]

I havn't been in this room....

so I wouldn't know.


But maybe, just maybe - there's a reason - they call this guy Loco.

Ya know - some people just don't "see" things.

 

[Guest]

Let me preface by saying that I had no other experience with chat rooms before Lit Chat. Having said that, I have been very cautious in my dealings on the chat.....until recently I didn't even say where I was truly from.

Since that time, I have visited other chats on the web and wouldn't go back if you paid me!!!! NO MONITORS!!!!!

I had the opportunity to meet in person some of the FRIENDS I have made in the Lit Chat Room. Wow, what an experience, and a CM was one of those I am proud to call my friend. I look forward to the opportunity to meet more friends and intend to do so!!!!!!!

I have witnessed chat members abusing the powers of the CM's by taunting other guests and then running to the CM's to have those guests removed!!!!! And to think that because those were "lit regulars" the monitors believed them and the guests that were taunted were booted all because of a select few. Could those select few be the ones hiding here? HMMMMMMMMMMMMM Well...that wasn't very nice of me, now was it!!! But I think Everyone needs to take a deep breath and say "It's Time to Move Forward". Let the past lie now. Apologies have been made.

I have chatted with the lit CM's only briefly when they were "on the job", but have had the opportunity to chat with them on other messenger services. Am I Glad to know every one of our CM's.

IT IS BECAUSE OF THE CM's in LIT THAT I AM IN THE LOUNGE!!!!!! I appreciate them and all they do!!! The CM's are doing all of us a great service by being there for all of us!!!!! And what is their return????? This!!!!

The biggest share of you know me, and know that I hardly involve myself in other's business, but having 2 CM's quit????? Over something a select few have chosen to make an issue out of?????? Please Folks!!!!!! ENOUGH!!!

I intend to be in the Lounge and am there for fun. We should all thank our lucky stars that Laurel has the CM's there for us. THE CM'S ARE THERE FOR ALL OF US!!!!!!

If I have never said it before.....TO ALL THE LIT CM's ....THANK YOU!!!!!!

 

[Guest]

Laurel

I don't think the issue is about the cm that nuked the room - her apology was given the next day and accepted - I do believe a great deal of the people were angry at being insulted by the other cm with no apology coming. While everyone is entitled to their opinion when you insult an entire room there are bound to be quite a few who object. I believe this is what started it all. Also this morning i was upset to here loco say that those who posted were going to pay for it. Is this a democracy? When one person can frighten an entire room? I hope you think about this

 

[Greeneyes]

What happened with Bud and Busty's "wedding" had nothing to do with free speech or personal animosity. It was a judgment by the CM that the activity was turning out to be overly detrimental to the chat environment for the rest of the users at the site. That judgment may have been wrong, and the CM has apologized both privately and publicly, but there was no personal motivation involved, no malice against these particular people or whatever they were saying and doing in the private room. It was a judgment call based on what was best for most users. If it was wrong, so be it and an apology has been made.

One has to wonder why some people have been so intent on not accepting that apology, but instead have wanted to turn this ridiculous episode into a some kind of mob lynching of the chatmasters.

There are a few people who have bitched about "free speech" steadily over a long period of time. These people are upset because they have been told to knock off certain particular kinds of speech that annoy everyone else. In particular there are those who are upset about some decision or other concerning the site and who insist on bitching and moaning about it over and over and over. Those people are finally told to put a lid on it, because the decision has been made, and carping and arguing are not what people come to Lit to hear; and without exception those people then start whining that their "right to free speech" has been violated. And those people have nursed that grievance for many a long month, and their fine hands can be discerned in this thread.

It is not true, and has never been true, that "anything goes" at Lit "as long as no threats are made." People are expected to rein in their behavior in the interest of the site as a whole, and if they don't do it, the chatmasters will do it for them. This is not a democracy and it does not offer "free speech," thank god. It is private property where hand-chosen people do their best to maintain order and balance the interests of the variety of people who visit the site. The CMs are not perfect, but who is? Someone's whining that a decision is unfair does not make it so. The CMs do their best, and it is a very demanding and thankless job.

As for these attacks on Loco, there is a reason why the past complaints of a few people about Loco have not had any effect. The reason is that Loco has damned good reasons for the things he does. Furthermore, he bends over backward to be fair. And the other CMs do likewise. With the hundreds or thousands of people who pass through Lit in a day, there is not time or energy for a CM to explain every decision or engage in an argument with every person who doesn't like it. That does not make the action arbitrary, "fascist," or an "abuse of power." The use of those terms says much more about the complainers than it does about any of the CMs. They are invaluable.

 

[Guest]

Hey anonymous chat users, no one cares. Either sign up as a registered user and take responsibility or leave. I'd prefer the latter as your whiny anti-establishment crap is boring, plus none of you can spell or punctuate worth a damn. Like someone else already said, this isn't a democracy it's a privately owned site. Get off your computer once in a while, quit working yourselves into a frenzy about something as dumb as a cyber wedding for crissake.

 

[mystified]

>>If Literotica has a policy not to allow private weddings or ceremonies in a private room, I would like to hear that from Laurel.<<

I have no problem with chat weddings. I don't even know what a chat wedding is, to be honest. However, what we must all realize is that the chat room is there for everyone, and for a group of people to jump in and monopolize a room in which others are chatting - no matter how much fun this group is having - is a bit inconsiderate to everyone else. Not everyone enjoys or wants to be involved in these weddings, believe it or not. Just as you don't want to be "forced" into a course of action, neither do others. The idea behind confining the weddings to private rooms was to not unduly irritate those not interested in participating. From my understanding of the situation, which is flawed and third-hand, the rights of those not wishing to be involved were not being respected.

Laurel

This thing has gotten out of hand. Yes I did read your original reply. However I dont think you read mine. The wedding was indeed in a private room. No one was being forced to do anything, go anywhere, or even to participate.

And yes, your damn right I am proud of myself. Im proud that you have finally responded to an issue I have brought to your attention. I have brought many many issues to your attention regarding Loco, and this is the very first, the ONLY, response I have gotten. And I know for a fact that goes for alot of others as well. What I am not proud of is that I had to go to such extreme measures to finally get your attention. And because of that, the wrong people have been hurt or offended and left us.

I agree with GE in the respect that things did get better when we got a CM. However, why are the petty grievances taken care of and not the large issues? The issues of stalking for instance? We all know whom I refer to. I believe at least 10 of us sent you emails going over 6 mos regarding him. Yet because of the fact that the person in wuestion is a dear friend to our "mighty CM who can do no wrong" nothing has been done. Not a damn thing. This is why I am angry. Why does the almighty powerful Loco get to decide what makes him feels comfortable gets be put ahead the majority? Im tired of it. Im damn tired of it. And I believe from these posts that you can see quite a few are quite tired of it. As for us having "hell to pay" from Loco regarding this thread.....can you actually truly believe that he did not say or insinuate that? Jesus, you cant honestly. Take a look at how many times this thread has been viewed compared to the amt of replies. That should give you some idea. We would have all used our real names since the very beginning if we knew there wouldnt be hell to pay. See......we are sacrificing ourselves in order for you to finally see this........see the goddamn obvious truth for christs sake. Ill concede to GE and agree this does not HAVE to be a democracy. However, it sure as hell does not have to be a dictatorship either.What I find amazing is yes....the cm's have helped us....we all know that.......we can all agree to that. But does the times they have helped us have to come along with the times they have weilded thier opinions, objections, and over all insaness overe us as well. There are the good ones, and the bad. With this thread all we are asking you is to recognize the difference between them. Please, take a look yourself. You will see. The good ones are very good. Irreplaceable eve. The bad ones, are horrendous. And most assuredly NEED to be either replaced or a tight leash attached. We all know they do not get paid. For that we can only pay them with our gratitude. But not being paid in no way demands us to be in debt or submissive to the misguided, who have perhaps lost thier objectivity along the way. Maybe deep down they are good, were in the beginning. Time for a vacation perhaps? Or maybe a look thru the other side.....

 

[Shylady]

This is all just dumb now. Laurel will never admit that loco is out of hand and I for one belive he will do his best to hurt those of us that have spoken against him. I have seen it too many times. So you people might as well drop it Laruel won't do a thing to fix the problem.

I also agree the room is better because of the cm's I should know I have been chatting as Texas Lady since the place opened. But I think we all should realize by now that it doesn't matter how loyal we are to the site. The only thing laurel hears is what loco says.
Now I am shutting up and noone will hear me say another word about it. When I am in the chat room if I don't like what is going on I will leave and come back some other time. I have met too many friends to leave entirely. Not to mention that I just have alot of fun chatting.