What...the...fuck...

[BotanyBoy]

I'm not the least bit surprised that your personal life is as chaotic, incoherent and arbitrary as your toxic shitsludge of a personal philosophy.

"This I believe...for today, anyway!"

My political beliefs and support for liberalism (what anti-American socialist like you consider toxic shitlsudge) have not changed much in 15+ years.

I have to admit I was a bit skeptical that you'd found not one, but two women in your life willing to put up with a misogynistic incel behavior.

Well if you stop making false assumptions about my behavior it's not all that shocking.

Again, I know you have a deep hatred and phobia of the LGBTQ+ community....but being asexual isn't the same as being an incel.

No matter how much foot stamping and bigoted name calling you do.

But I suppose the siren song of a guaranteed disability pension makes more than a few low-self-esteem women rationalize things.

Low self esteem? We had a good laugh at that.....

And even though I get most my taxes get covered by the pension, as a rather successful CPA with her own firm, she still makes significantly more than I do.

I'm amused that you once again obliquely claim that people of Asian descent cannot be white nationalists.

I never made that claim, learn to read.

I'm making fun of you for your glaring hypocrisy....a white guy using racial slurs in hatred against POC, doesn't get to accuse those same POC he is using slurs against of being white supremacist or white nationalist without being called out for their projection and hypocrisy.

Besides I've never advocate white nationalism or supremacy....you're just mad because you can't defend your comrades or your anti-American politics and the accusation was all you had to fall back on.

Poor rob...hates people of color, hates LGBTQ+ people, thinks the USA is founded on a "toxic shitsludge" ideology.

Must be a sad existence.

Does the name "Michelle Malkin" ring any bells? You might want to look her up.

Yea.....what evidence have you that she thinks the USA should be only for white people to the exclusion of all others?

Google didn't have anything on that....

 

[jaF0]

They're self-selecting. What's the profile of someone who wants to be a cop in America these days? I wanna know.

When I was a kid it was a dudley-do-right kind of job. These days, a bunch of wanna be video-game commandos who want to play with guns and step on other people with their bros.

Now, many (too many) are former military ... real commandos, battlefield trained to shoot first and not worry about questions.

 

[bigsly]

They're self-selecting. What's the profile of someone who wants to be a cop in America these days? I wanna know.

When I was a kid it was a dudley-do-right kind of job. These days, a bunch of wanna be video-game commandos who want to play with guns and step on other people with their bros.

Just like today's military, police department qualification standards are lowered just so enough warm bodies can be uniformed.

American socialists have long fought to exercise American exceptionalism from American society in total. This is a direct result. In another 10 years, it will only be worse as formerly unqualified persons (military & police) will be the leaders of both. Which, of course, will mean even lower qualified bodies than today accepted just to fill the ranks.

Baby Boomer socialists have "won" this societal battle, but now the issue is the responsibility of the Millennials. How they deal with it will, naturally, define it for all America for the foreseeable future.

I have hardly any doubt at all that this FWPD shooter will be investigated to the fullest extent of Texas state law as it applies to the facts of this killing. And if charges are indeed brought against him, I hold almost full faith that a jury of his peers will fairly decide his fate as best they can.

I thought OJ got away with double murder, but his jury peers didn't agree with me. And I'm OK with that because, I far as I'm aware, the American justice system, repugnant warts and all, is at the very least as well serving justice as any other system on the planet.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Now, many (too many) are former military ... real commandos, battlefield trained to shoot first and not worry about questions.

You do realize most if not all LEA's are rather discriminatory against combat vets for that very reason right??

Oh no you didn't you were too busy spouting off ignorant shit....as usual.

Many are former military, but they are almost all file clerks, armorers, mechanics etc. for good reason, they've been taught how to listen to instructions and follow them. Which is an amazingly rare skill.

But almost NONE of them are commandos with battlefield experience.

They don't even like MP's very much.

If you're just a basic infantryman without any combat experience, you've got pretty slim odds of becoming a cop. If you're a grunt with some schools and combat experience?....odds get really slim.

If you were a tier 2 or 1 operator (Ranger, DEVGRU, CAG, PJ etc)? You're almost guaranteed not to be accepted by any LEA anywhere. They know what you are, they know what a risk/threat you pose and they don't want to risk it.

SWAT/weapons/sniper consultant/instructor is about as close to a badge as 99% of "battlefield trained commandos" will ever get.

 

[icanhelp1]

You do realize most if not all LEA's are rather discriminatory against combat vets for that very reason right??

Oh no you didn't you were too busy spouting off ignorant shit....as usual.

As of 2018 there were 686,665 full time police officers minus the ones killed in the line of duty. 686,665 law enforcement, sometimes trapped in a life and death split second decision and 99% of the time they operate within department regulations and the law. To believe that inappropriate actions will never occasionally happen is delusional. It's ironic that those people who've never experienced a life threatening split second situation are the ones that want to put law enforcement on it's head and are also the very same the whine to the high heavens when police fail to show up in time. There will be an internal investigation and review and let the process work.

 

[suurfer]

There is no reporting that I have seen that indicates the victim was either holding or brandishing a weapon. Early reports are that the police were unannounced in the early morning hours (around 2:30) and walking around the house looking through windows with flashlights, in response to a non-emergency call from a neighbor.

Now, many (too many) are former military ... real commandos, battlefield trained to shoot first and not worry about questions.

Just like today's military, police department qualification standards are lowered just so enough warm bodies can be uniformed.

I re-watched the video, and to me, too it pointed to a poorly trained, incompetent officer as opposed to a systemic or attitudinal (trigger happy) problem.

The house was brought to their attention because of an open door.
When they arrived, the rooms looked in disarray, things on the floor - as if it's been trashed or burglarised.
So when a figure (the equally scared inhabitant) peaked through the window, with the officer in full view, the officer naturally assumed that it was the burglar, panicked, and in those few seconds went in self-preservation mode and shot.

My take on it was that the officer shouldn't have exposed himself full body view to an open window, even if he would have identified himself as Police.

 

[icanhelp1]

If you resist arrest and the shit hits the fan it's amazing how it's the police officers fault and not the criminal. The career field of police officer is in crisis. If the public continues to act with disdain towards law enforcement they may get what they wish for, unsafe cities and towns. The thin blue line is getting thinner.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Just like today's military, police department qualification standards are lowered just so enough warm bodies can be uniformed.

Not warm bodies, but the politically correct warm bodies, "diversity".

Standards must be dropped to be more inclusive.

Women are entitled to their tabs/wings/badges and whatever because they need them to advance their careers! Unequal outcomes? Standards gotta drop and double standards must be put in place to fix that.

It's leftism.

As of 2018 there were 686,665 full time police officers minus the ones killed in the line of duty. 686,665 law enforcement, sometimes trapped in a life and death split second decision and 99% of the time they operate within department regulations and the law. To believe that inappropriate actions will never occasionally happen is delusional. It's ironic that those people who've never experienced a life threatening split second situation are the ones that want to put law enforcement on it's head and are also the very same the whine to the high heavens when police fail to show up in time. There will be an internal investigation and revue and let the process work.

If you resist arrest and the shit hits the fan it's amazing how it's the police officers fault and not the criminal. The career field of police officer is in crisis. If the public continues to act with disdain towards law enforcement they may get what they wish for, unsafe cities and towns. The thin blue line is getting thinner.

100%....

 

[icanhelp1]

I re-watched the video, and to me, too it pointed to a poorly trained, incompetent officer as opposed to a systemic or attitudinal (trigger happy) problem.

The house was brought to their attention because of an open door.
When they arrived, the rooms looked in disarray, things on the floor - as if it's been trashed or burglarised.
So when a figure (the equally scared inhabitant) peaked through the window, with the officer in full view, the officer naturally assumed that it was the burglar, panicked, and in those few seconds went in self-preservation mode and shot.

My take on it was that the officer shouldn't have exposed himself full body view to an open window, even if he would have identified himself as Police.

He's up on murder charges! He certainly didn't follow department protocol so let the legal system work.

 

[bigsly]

If you resist arrest and the shit hits the fan it's amazing how it's the police officers fault and not the criminal.

How does that apply in this specific case? You're asserting the woman killed resisted arrest? When last I thoroughly read about it yesterday morning, cops didn't announce their presence until the shooter yelled for the woman to show her hands, and almost immediately shot her to death.

It was also reported that the lady was playing videos games with her nephew, and the only plausible explanation for the shooting I can discern at this early point is that the woman had a game controller in her hand(s) when ordered to raise them, she immediately complied, and the cop gravely mistook it for a gun.

If that's the case, the cop needs about a 20-year sentence for manslaughter to stew with what he did, imwo.

Looking forward to what the prosecutor says after the cop's been thoroughly questioned.

 

[suurfer]

He's up on murder charges! He certainly didn't follow department protocol so let the legal system work.

Yes, but I've heard about too many incidents of US civilians killed by mistake.

Although in the other cases, the officer did follow protocol yet he mistook the civilian's abrupt gesture for reaching for a gun.
I blamed neither the officer (in fear for his life), nor the civilian (who can't act like a robot, like he's in the army) in those tragedies.

By the same token, one hears too, of too many American cops being gunned down by civilians.


Too complex to form an opinion especially as an outsider,(although my instinct goes: poor gun control laws) , but something is clearly wrong.

 

[bigsly]

Reportedly, authorities have a news conference with the media scheduled for a little over an hour from now, 1300 CT. No doubt it will be carried live worldwide.

Obviously, adept and honest transparency during every single step of this investigation is absolutely required if justice is to be well served.

 

[icanhelp1]

Yes, but I've heard about too many incidents of US civilians killed by mistake.

Although in the other cases, the officer did follow protocol yet he mistook the civilian's abrupt gesture for reaching for a gun.
I blamed neither the officer (in fear for his life), nor the civilian (who can't act like a robot, like he's in the army) in those tragedies.

By the same token, one hears too, of too many American cops being gunned down by civilians.


Too complex to form an opinion especially as an outsider,(although my instinct goes: poor gun control laws) , but something is clearly wrong.

It's an imperfect society! What's wrong is that we are HUMAN, we don't walk on water and we can't make wine out of water. There is good and evil in all of us.

 

[icanhelp1]

How does that apply in this specific case? You're asserting the woman killed resisted arrest? When last I thoroughly read about it yesterday morning, cops didn't announce their presence until the shooter yelled for the woman to show her hands, and almost immediately shot her to death.

It was also reported that the lady was playing videos games with her nephew, and the only plausible explanation for the shooting I can discern at this early point is that the woman had a game controller in her hand(s) when ordered to raise them, she immediately complied, and the cop gravely mistook it for a gun.

If that's the case, the cop needs about a 20-year sentence for manslaughter to stew with what he did, imwo.

Looking forward to what the prosecutor says after the cop's been thoroughly questioned.

It doesn't. It's an additional statement to my previous statements.

 

[suurfer]

It's an imperfect society! What's wrong is that we are HUMAN, we don't walk on water and we can't make wine out of water. There is good and evil in all of us.

Disregard the alarming stats, because we're all human.

 

[icanhelp1]

Disregard the alarming stats, because we're all human.

Change what you can change is all you can do, train to be better at the job. Try to be better citizens and be less judgemental. As a citizen be an educated part of the electorate and most of all be objective and thoughtful and don't force your opinion on others. In this case, let the legal system work, don't need another Ferguson or Baltimore.

 

[jaF0]

Fort Worth cop resigns after fatally shooting black woman in her home
The Boston Globe | Mon Oct 14, 2019 19:03 UTC

A police officer who shot and killed a black woman in her home in the presence of her 8-year-old nephew acted inappropriately and has resigned, the chief of police said Monday.

 

[jaF0]

Fort Worth officer who killed woman in her own home resigns, mayor calls shooting unjustified
WITI | Mon Oct 14, 2019 18:55 UTC

FORT WORTH, Texas -- The officer who fatally shot Atatiana Jefferson in her home Saturday morning has resigned, Fort Worth interim police chief Ed Kraus said Monday. The officer may face criminal charges, Kraus said. Fort Worth Mayor Betsy Price said the ...

 

[HisArpy]

Go to a gun show. Spend cash. Leave with gun.

GOFUCKYOURSELF

 

[HisArpy]

In 29 states, all you need is cash.

California gun fetishists simply go across the state line to Nevada or Arizona.

Which is a felony violation of Federal law.

If you think people do it, you're fucking stupid. Federal Form 4473 will ONLY allow the FFL (gun shop) to sell you the gun and let you pick it up if you're a resident of the State where the gun shop is located. You have to PROVE IT with at least 2 forms of ID in most States.

If you aren't a resident of that State, the FFL has to ship the gun to an FFL in your home state. Where ALL of the in-State rules and reg's apply.

If you think otherwise, God DAMN, you're fucking stupid.

 

[doowdniw]

I disagree.

In order to get a firearm here, you have to fill out a form 4473 and swear under penalty of perjury that you aren't a prohibited person, produce TWO different forms of ID proving you are who you say you are AND that you live where you say you live. Then you get to pay the gun store owner and go home without your purchase.

It then takes TEN FUCKING DAYS before you can go back to the gun store to pick up your new firearm AND attest that you have a "State approved" secure way of storing said firearm before they let you have it. Then you have to lock it into your car trunk for the trip home.

In contrast, it took me 1 trip to the DMV and less than 2 hours to get my real ID and all I had to do was present some paperwork to the guy behind the counter and pay the fee.

Yeah, it's a lot easier to get a Real ID than buy a gun here.

Can you think of any instance when a 4473 is not required?

 

[jaF0]

Fort Worth officer who fatally shot Atatiana Jefferson in her home charged with murder
KMSP | Mon Oct 14, 2019 23:56 UTC

The Fort Worth Police Department officer who fired into a home, killing Atatiana Jefferson, has been charged with murder.

 

[Mrtenant]

It's floodin' down in TexAss

 

[RobDownSouth]

Honestly pleased with the subsequent actions following this shooting:

• The officer has been fired
• The officer has been charged with murder
• The chief of police is on record as saying there is "no excuse" for this shooting

You don't see this level of responsibility in most police departments nowadays. In fact, when the Ft. Worth police department initially issued not one but two press releases that "the victim had a gun at her residence", my first thought was "here we go again with victim blaming".

 

[HisArpy]

Can you think of any instance when a 4473 is not required?

Gee, I dunno.... "Psssst, hey buddy, wanna buy a gun?" doesn't really fit in the situation rubbery was postulating.