What men are taught by Western society from a very young age

[LJ_Reloaded]

Men are taught by Western society from a young age that they are expendable. Only the strong are considered useful, the weak and helpless are disposable.

Feminists would rather society not discuss this, because women benefit greatly from men being expendable objects.

 

[toubab]

Men are taught by Western society from a young age that they are expendable. Only the strong are considered useful, the weak and helpless are disposable.

Feminists would rather society not discuss this, because women benefit greatly from men being expendable objects.

Men are more expendable than women. That's actually Mother Nature you hear, and she speaks the truth.

 

[Yardley]

You can argue all day about what is ingrained in us in the form of biological imperatives, and what is imposed upon us by cultural forces. Reality is reality.

Men are valued first (among other things) for what they can do for the tribe and women are valued first (among other things) for being reproductively attractive.

What is your point?

Even if you did the impossible and created a culture that ignored all biological realities, that advances no one. Women who currently enjoy certain advantages because they are physically attractive would lose that and men who make an effort to be "strong" by any number of definitions of the word would lose that edge.

 

[eyer]

Men are taught by Western society from a young age that they are expendable. Only the strong are considered useful, the weak and helpless are disposable.

Feminists would rather society not discuss this, because women benefit greatly from men being expendable objects.

Hmmm...

I am a male who has learned nowhere else but in Western Society...

...and I was taught that no human life is "expendable", and that those more "strong" were specifically blessed so to lend strength to the "weak" and help to the "helpless".

When you posted, "Western society"...

...did you actually mean to reference the West Side of Loserville from which you quite obviously graduated with honors?

 

[DesEsseintes]

Hmmm...

I am a male who has learned nowhere else but in Western Society...

...and I was taught that no human life is "expendable", and that those more "strong" were specifically blessed so to lend strength to the "weak" and help to the "helpless".

When you posted, "Western society"...

...did you actually mean to reference the West Side of Loserville from which you quite obviously graduated with honors?

In other words:

'From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs'?

I never realized how close we are politically.

 

[Yardley]

In other words:

'From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs'?

I never realized how close we are politically.

I see what you did there. Laugh.

 

[jezzilee]

Hmmm...

I am a male who has learned nowhere else but in Western Society...

...and I was taught that no human life is "expendable", and that those more "strong" were specifically blessed so to lend strength to the "weak" and help to the "helpless".

When you posted, "Western society"...

...did you actually mean to reference the West Side of Loserville from which you quite obviously graduated with honors?

Well said... just the red part.

 

[eyer]

In other words:

'From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs'?

I never realized how close we are politically.

Except for THE fundamental political difference on such a germane issue:

You favor the collective making those worlds come true for what you are sure is the good of all, by force (if need be)...

...I don't.

Sorry again...

...Karl.

 

[Yardley]

Except for THE fundamental political difference on such a germane issue:

You favor the collective making those worlds come true for what you are sure is the good of all, by force (if need be)...

...I don't.

Sorry again...

...Karl.

Point awarded to Mr. Eyer...

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Mr. Esseintes...
...your response?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

In other words:

'From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs'?

I never realized how close we are politically.

Women are never required to help anyone, ever. Unless they're in some uniformed job.

If her boyfriend is under attack from 3 men and she runs and hides? No cowardice points.

If there's a fire and she runs to get rescued and leaves him behind? No shame.

Men get drafted, men get shamed for opposing the draft, men get called out for running away when there's a damsel in distress.

Eyer's mother drank heavily when she was pregnant with him. And where he comes from that must have been a rite of passage.

 

[DesEsseintes]

Except for THE fundamental political difference on such a germane issue:

You favor the collective making those worlds come true for what you are sure is the good of all, by force (if need be)...

...I don't.

Sorry again...

...Karl.

I see. So you don't really believe in helping people.

I do, you see, that's the point. I think it is fundamental. I would like it to be voluntary, as you would. The difference is that where people do not volunteer - are selfish - you would accept that. Because, for you, the poor and the weak and the sick are a price worth paying for the freedom to be a selfish bastard.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Men are more expendable than women. That's actually Mother Nature you hear, and she speaks the truth.

That is why technology is so necessary to give mother nature a swift kick in her ass.

And that boot is going to have a big fucking steel toe.

 

[Messier82]

I'm not sure what the real argument is here.

Life is different for men and women for a multitude of reasons, all the PC in our world won't change basic facts. Is it fair? Is life ever fair?

Men tend to have shorter life-spans, but no man ever died in childbirth, seems like an acceptable trade-off.

Men are biologically programmed to take more risks, driving fast, getting into fights etc, because risk-taking & 'showing-off' is a form of display.

From a purely biological & evolutionary perspective - Males display, Females choose. This is why the peacock has that amazing tail, because peahens prefer a peacock with a splendid tail. Men tend to want money and power and the trappings of these, because it is a display of resources and tends to attract females, so these traits tend to be favoured by natural selection.

None of this is new. There is a branch of science known as Behavioural Ecology. We can understand so much more about human society from studying how other animals live and reproduce.

One guy wrote a sizeable scientific textbook about the behavioural ecology of one particular bird. So many forms of human relationship behaviour was represented, absolutely fascinating.
Dunnock Behaviour and Social Evolution

The development of technology is no less a part of Mother Nature than animals thriving by living in groups. If it favours survival it will tend to be favoured by Natural Selection. Chimps and some birds are well documented as using simple tools, the first steps in technology. And what about weapons? Who hasn't seen the opening segment of 2001: A Space Odyssey. Strength is fine but intelligence is better.


Of course, religious types who think we humans are special and are not animals at all won't accept any of this reasoning.

 

[jezzilee]

Women are never required to help anyone, ever. Unless they're in some uniformed job.

If her boyfriend is under attack from 3 men and she runs and hides? No cowardice points.

If there's a fire and she runs to get rescued and leaves him behind? No shame.

Men get drafted, men get shamed for opposing the draft, men get called out for running away when there's a damsel in distress.

Eyer's mother drank heavily when she was pregnant with him. And where he comes from that must have been a rite of passage.

This post makes me feel very sad for you. I do not know what happened to make you hate women so much, but I hope that for your sake, you someday find a peaceful balance. I am a woman and I help others all the time. Sometimes I make sacrifices to help others. There are many women just like me in the world who put others needs before their own.

 

[hashtag45]

This post makes me feel very sad for you. I do not know what happened to make you hate women so much, but I hope that for your sake, you someday find a peaceful balance. I am a woman and I help others all the time. Sometimes I make sacrifices to help others. There are many women just like me in the world who put others needs before their own.

He doesn't, actually. He is just lobbying for the empowerment of men & he is against radical femminists and he employs a more flaming style in order to get users' attention.
But in saying this, I'm among the very few Litsters who see LJ this way.

 

[eyer]

I see. So you don't really believe in helping people.

My pastor shared with me a revelation he had a month or so ago...

...he began by asking:

Do you know what Christ is?

Knowing full well that I had absolutely no idea where he was off to, I just replied:

What's the Son of God for $1000, Alex?

No, he said. He's the Sabbath.

Ok, I thought, I can picture that...

...you mean like when the Pharisees thought they busted him for doing miracles on the Sabbath, and him and his crew for eating as they strolled through the wheat field on a Sabbath, and he rebuked them with, Fools! I am the Sabbath!?

No, my pastor said. Christ is the Sabbath just like your ministry is the Sabbath.

I was totally, literally dumbfounded.

He smiled brightly, knowing he had me.

The whole point of the Sabbath is to take burden off of others...

...and as soon as those few words hit my ears, I immediately understood fully where he was going.

Point of that is:

My supreme joy in this physical life is doing whatever God steers me to individually do to lift whatever burden he wants me to lift from whomever he puts in my path...

...it's your ministry, my pastor revealed to me.

And although I'd never contemplated a sabbath ministry in any way before, h3ll, I'd never heard of such a ministry before...

...I believe he hit the nail straight into the Cross.

The difference is that where people do not volunteer - are selfish - you would accept that. Because, for you, the poor and the weak and the sick are a price worth paying for the freedom to be a selfish bastard.

It must be soooo frustrating to not truly believe in any mightier power than the wretched, common man you're stuck with your entire life...

...always disappointed that you just can't force all those selfish bastards to be as benevolent as your starving ego must perpetually self-acclaim itself to be.

Sorry...

...there is no aggressive "force" involved in individual liberty, no matter for what purpose.

You need to employ your love of aggressive force to make me do what you and the collective decide I must do against my own will...

...simply to serve what you bozos agree is some collective common good?

A totally better idea would be for you to just keep walking along, son, and search for easy prey more your speed...

...you truly don't want to actually find out how non-aggressively much I really ain't your "boy".

The first time Christ sent his posse out, he specifically told them not to take their swords...

...I reckon because they weren't spiritually mature enough to defend themselves without aggressively doing harm.

The last time he sent them forward, he told them to take their swords with them...

 

[Tigersman]

What men are taught

Is to never cry or show any weakness no matter what.

That if a woman says no she either means maybe or yes.

That if you want a certain woman all you have to do is rape her then she will be yours gladly

That rather than killing just yourself you need to kill your significant other as well

That it is okay to bully by word or deed those different from you

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Men are taught by Western society from a young age that they are expendable. Only the strong are considered useful, the weak and helpless are disposable.

Feminists would rather society not discuss this, because women benefit greatly from men being expendable objects.

I see the quote in my signature still has old LeJackass angry after all of this time.

It's a simple biological fact of life.

 

[DesEsseintes]

My pastor shared with me a revelation he had a month or so ago...

...he began by asking:

Do you know what Christ is?

Knowing full well that I had absolutely no idea where he was off to, I just replied:

What's the Son of God for $1000, Alex?

No, he said. He's the Sabbath.

Ok, I thought, I can picture that...

...you mean like when the Pharisees thought they busted him for doing miracles on the Sabbath, and him and his crew for eating as they strolled through the wheat field on a Sabbath, and he rebuked them with, Fools! I am the Sabbath!?

No, my pastor said. Christ is the Sabbath just like your ministry is the Sabbath.

I was totally, literally dumbfounded.

He smiled brightly, knowing he had me.

The whole point of the Sabbath is to take burden off of others...

...and as soon as those few words hit my ears, I immediately understood fully where he was going.

Point of that is:

My supreme joy in this physical life is doing whatever God steers me to individually do to lift whatever burden he wants me to lift from whomever he puts in my path...

...it's your ministry, my pastor revealed to me.

And although I'd never contemplated a sabbath ministry in any way before, h3ll, I'd never heard of such a ministry before...

...I believe he hit the nail straight into the Cross.



It must be soooo frustrating to not truly believe in any mightier power than the wretched, common man you're stuck with your entire life...

...always disappointed that you just can't force all those selfish bastards to be as benevolent as your starving ego must perpetually self-acclaim itself to be.

Sorry...

...there is no aggressive "force" involved in individual liberty, no matter for what purpose.

You need to employ your love of aggressive force to make me do what you and the collective decide I must do against my own will...

...simply to serve what you bozos agree is some collective common good?

A totally better idea would be for you to just keep walking along, son, and search for easy prey more your speed...

...you truly don't want to actually find out how non-aggressively much I really ain't your "boy".

The first time Christ sent his posse out, he specifically told them not to take their swords...

...I reckon because they weren't spiritually mature enough to defend themselves without aggressively doing harm.

The last time he sent them forward, he told them to take their swords with them...

Let's take this seriously, then, Eyer, one step at a time. I will accept that you are a good man, or try to be, as I do. You give to charity, you give up your time to your fellow human beings, you do what you can to help. One month, you are out of money and time. You have given your last screed of energy to the sick, to the needy, to the poor and the frail. You see, walking past the homeless beggar you can help no more, a man you know to be rich. He walks right past the beggar, ignoring him or perhaps even flinging an insult his way, straight into the champagne bar next door.

Is that fine? Is that OK? Is that simply his choice that we must accept? Because none of that is feeding or clothing the beggar. Is that what Jesus would do?

Here I am in your path, Eyer. Help lift the burden from me. What would your pastor say to me? And bear in mind, if you can, that I am genuinely asking. I'm not trying to be snide or cheap.

 

[Messier82]

Whilst I wouldn't call myself a proper Christian, I do regularly spend time with people who are and who teach others about Christianity (mostly Muslim asylum seekers from Iran).

I've learned that, according to the New Testament (Matthew 22:36-40, New International Version) when JC was asked which commandment was most important he said there were two: love God and love your neighbour as yourself, and everything else hangs upon these two precepts.

Obviously neighbour is not intended literally and refers to all people in need. My Ministerial friends tell me that anyone who considers their self a Christian, but doesn't love and help those in need, is fooling their self and will get a rude awakening come Judgement Day (my friends would add here something related to separating goats and sheep, I don't have the reference to hand).

If God exists, he's not going to be fooled by convoluted BS is he?

 

[DesEsseintes]

I'm with Nietzsche, and since his father was a pastor he knew the Bible inside out:

'There was only one Christian, and he died on the Cross.'

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

I'm with Nietzsche, and since his father was a pastor he knew the Bible inside out:

'There was only one Christian, and he died on the Cross.'

Or Ghandi - I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.

-or-

If Christians would really live according to the teachings of Christ, as found in the Bible, all of India would be Christian today.

 

[Messier82]

I used to like Nietzsche's quote "God is dead" but it lost it's impact when I found it was (apparently) dialogue spoken by a character in story. I won't pretend to have actually read any Nietzsche.

 

[DesEsseintes]

I used to like Nietzsche's quote "God is dead" but it lost it's impact when I found it was (apparently) dialogue spoken by a character in story. I won't pretend to have actually read any Nietzsche.

He writes beautifully. And I don't know who told you that quotation came from a 'story'.

 

[BotanyBoy]

My pastor shared with me a revelation he had a month or so ago...

I thought you were an Atheist......

I knew you were a fucking liar