What makes a one term President

[LLCox]

..."Hoover is an extreme example, but other one-term presidents have experienced a similar fate, earning reputations for being hapless and bumbling in the face of serious challenges. This has certainly been the case with Trump, who is thought to have mismanaged the pandemic and, by downplaying the severity of the disease, worsened the partisan divides on how to best combat it."

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-makes-a-one-term-president/


They forgot to add that a President making it all about himself 24/7/365 and being a Grade A asshole about it didn't help either.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

..."Hoover is an extreme example, but other one-term presidents have experienced a similar fate, earning reputations for being hapless and bumbling in the face of serious challenges. This has certainly been the case with Trump, who is thought to have mismanaged the pandemic and, by downplaying the severity of the disease, worsened the partisan divides on how to best combat it."

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-makes-a-one-term-president/


They forgot to add that a President making it all about himself 24/7/365 and being a Grade A asshole about it didn't help either.

Whining, there will be so much whining you won't believe it...Donald J Trump...

 

[Sean Renaud]

I don't even feel like looking it up, does that one guy count as two one term presidents? Otherwise if you look at the numbers its death and mostly dumb luck and running up against someone who is a great politician.

 

[Dingobaby]

Orange make up, hamberders and covfefe. Mix well.

 

[YDB95]

I don't even feel like looking it up, does that one guy count as two one term presidents?

Grover Cleveland? He probably should be counted as two one-term presidents, since he is counted twice in the progression (that's why we say Biden will be the 46th president, when he'll only be the 45th person who has been president). In any event, he was only defeated for re-election in 1888 due to a dirty trick involving the British ambassador, and he won the popular vote that year.

Otherwise if you look at the numbers its death and mostly dumb luck and running up against someone who is a great politician.

I don't think that's all it is. Hoover got slammed with the Great Depression, but he had the option of doing something about it and he preferred to just tell everyone to sit tight and wait for the economy to "right itself". Carter made the big mistake of asking Americans to pull together and all do their part to weather hard times when that was very much out of style, plus he was up against an opponent who enjoyed rock star popularity among his party. Bush Sr had 90% popularity after Gulf War I, and didn't even try to use it for any new initiatives - he sat on his lead until he lost it, and also made the mistake of assuming everyone hated Clinton as much as the right did. (Breaking the biggest promise of his first campaign didn't help either!) Trump was the very definition of unpresidential, unprofessional, and totally unfit for the office.

 

[jaF0]

and totally unfit for the office.

Which is why the EC should have acted as intended, a circuit breaker of rationality, and prevented him from being there in the first place.

 

[YDB95]

Which is why the EC should have acted as intended, a circuit breaker of rationality, and prevented him from being there in the first place.

Yep, the founding fathers didn't trust the voters to get it right, so they put in a stopgap measure that has instead, twice in the past 20 years, resulted directly in a dangerously unqualified ideologue getting elected.

 

[Champakian]

A sense of unease in the electorate oftentimes driven by unanticipated paradigm changes as if trading in your four-leaf clover for a rabbit's foot will restore good luck. I see Trump mentioned and with him it was the world-wide outbreak of a new coronavirus. A change of President will do nothing to alter any outcome, but it felt cathartic to many to do so.

 

[Champakian]

I think some here could use a historical review:

https://www.history.com/news/electoral-college-founding-fathers-constitutional-convention

 

[YDB95]

I think some here could use a historical review:

https://www.history.com/news/electoral-college-founding-fathers-constitutional-convention

I don't know whom you were directing that at, but from your link:

Another camp was dead set against letting the people elect the president by a straight popular vote. First, they thought 18th-century voters lacked the resources to be fully informed about the candidates, especially in rural outposts. Second, they feared a headstrong “democratic mob” steering the country astray. And third, a populist president appealing directly to the people could command dangerous amounts of power.

Which is exactly what I alluded to above.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The EC wasn't put there to do that however.

 

[YDB95]

The EC wasn't put there to do that however.

Wasn't put there to do what? Elect a dangerously unqualified ideologue? True, it wasn't, but the whole idea behind its as for the electors to act as a last-ditch stopgap measure to prevent that. Now that electors are party activists who almost always support their party's nominee no matter what, it's just another example of how outdated the system is.

 

[islandman]

..."Hoover is an extreme example, but other one-term presidents have experienced a similar fate, earning reputations for being hapless and bumbling in the face of serious challenges. This has certainly been the case with Trump, who is thought to have mismanaged the pandemic and, by downplaying the severity of the disease, worsened the partisan divides on how to best combat it."

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-makes-a-one-term-president/


They forgot to add that a President making it all about himself 24/7/365 and being a Grade A asshole about it didn't help either.

I'd like to think there's a more basic definition:

a one-term President is someone who could not convince the majority of citizens that the guy with zero experience leading the nation is the wrong choice to lead the nation.

 

[YDB95]

I'd like to think there's a more basic definition:

a one-term President is someone who could not convince the majority of citizens that the guy with zero experience leading the nation is the wrong choice to lead the nation.

Did you mean "the right choice"? Because say what you will about Biden, he has a LOT more experience than Trump. Come to think of it, the same was true of most presidents who beat an incumbent to get there. The only exception I can think of is Reagan, and he had the benefit of being the star of a movement that was then on the rise.

 

[islandman]

Did you mean "the right choice"? Because say what you will about Biden, he has a LOT more experience than Trump. Come to think of it, the same was true of most presidents who beat an incumbent to get there. The only exception I can think of is Reagan, and he had the benefit of being the star of a movement that was then on the rise.

From Trump's perspective, Biden is the wrong choice. A fact repeatedly highlighted by the talking point: "he's been in Congress for 47 years and has done nothing."

ETA:

Put another way: Trump could not convince the majority of citizens that Biden is the wrong choice to lead the nation.

 

[KeithD]

From Trump's perspective, Biden is the wrong choice. A fact repeatedly highlighted by the talking point: "he's been in Congress for 47 years and has done nothing."

From Trump's perspective, Biden was the potential opponent with the least vulnerability to Trump's dirty style of campaigning. Turns out he was right about that.

 

[YDB95]

From Trump's perspective, Biden is the wrong choice. A fact repeatedly highlighted by the talking point: "he's been in Congress for 47 years and has done nothing."

And he couldn't even get that right. It was 36 years: 1973-2009.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Wasn't put there to do what? Elect a dangerously unqualified ideologue? True, it wasn't, but the whole idea behind its as for the electors to act as a last-ditch stopgap measure to prevent that. Now that electors are party activists who almost always support their party's nominee no matter what, it's just another example of how outdated the system is.

Sorry easing back into being here quasi regularly.

The EC is a complex thing and I don't feel like writing out the entire history of it which is important to understanding both what the Founders were dealing with and how it affects our world. But the EC was is essentially "Congress" even if we have mentally divorced ourselves from the concept because they are not the Electors. IT was designed to keep the South from dominating politcs. Which ironically they managed anyway.

Trump was just angry white people and we are a good century from pissing them off being a good idea.

 

[YDB95]

One of several things that are mostly forgotten today is that the Founders also expected most presidential elections to get thrown to the House. They didn't foresee the rise of the two-party system that developed within a decade and has remained ever since. Which is yet another pretty good argument for retiring the electoral college.

 

[bodysong]

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[coati]

The other one-term President most like Trump was Andrew Johnson.

Both were overtly racist, both were impeached, and both were unsuccessful in getting re-elected following impeachment. Two racist impeached Presidents who are considered the Presidential personification of being a loser.

I'd say Trump was worse, mainly because of the huge number of Americans who died as a result of his rejection of science. The biggest loser of all American Presidents, by far.

 

[jaF0]

Wasn't AJ the one he most admired, identified with and aspired to be?

Winner.

 

[YDB95]

Wasn't AJ the one he most admired, identified with and aspired to be?

Winner.

I doubt Trump has ever heard of Andrew Johnson. Since he didn't know Lincoln was a Republican (that's why he always says "A lot of people don't know Lincoln was a Republican" - because HE didn't know until quite recently), I can't imagine he knows anything at all about the next president.

 

[KeithD]

The other one-term President most like Trump was Andrew Johnson.

Both were overtly racist, both were impeached, and both were unsuccessful in getting re-elected following impeachment. Two racist impeached Presidents who are considered the Presidential personification of being a loser.

I'd say Trump was worse, mainly because of the huge number of Americans who died as a result of his rejection of science. The biggest loser of all American Presidents, by far.

Andrew Johnson was Marvin Milktoast next to that crazy coup leader, Donald Trump.

 

[LLCox]

I doubt Trump has ever heard of Andrew Johnson. Since he didn't know Lincoln was a Republican (that's why he always says "A lot of people don't know Lincoln was a Republican" - because HE didn't know until quite recently), I can't imagine he knows anything at all about the next president.

"I am almost the smartest person in the world" ~ The Orange Retard


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