What is this thing about Mormon underwear?

[Pure]

There's no picture at the quasi official sites giving explanations of the Mormons' reasons for wearing the garment.

http://www.mormonmonastery.org/?page_id=35

http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/temples/mormon_garments.html

http://ldspatriot.wordpress.com/mormonism/what-are-mormon-garments/


But here's one.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2006/11/mormon_sacred_u.html

It is also called a "temple garment" or "undergarment" and has symbols placed to help shield from evil. (e.g. square over the right breast).

 

[cumallday]

Hitchens was right - religion poisons everything. The mormorons ought to rename themselves the church of latter day dorks.

 

[3113]

I may be wrong but, um, the reason why they wear them is so God can tell who the Mormons are and take them to heaven.

Why God would need such a clue, I've no idea.

 

[flavortang]

Does the underwear fend off vampires? Or is it just for show?

 

[cloudy]

It's for modesty.

My sister's a Mormon. I don't agree with their religion, not even a little bit, but they're mostly very nice people.

 

[cumallday]

Something tells me they probably would never shop here:
http://www.xdress.com/MA-C?promod=default&cid=996E.0CDQ&dtind=39278.9571638773

 

[Pure]

factoids of the day, re mormon garment:

to dispose of it, the symbols must be cut off and burned, then the thing can be cut up, or whatever.

it can only be purchased from the mormon church, giving your registration number, an proof of 'endowment' membership. hence on the ebay, it's likely phoney [though priced in the thousands], unless someone really broken his rules.

there are accounts of it protecting people from serious burns, in a fire.

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from thetunafish.com

Magical Mormon Underwear Makes Splash with Celebrities, Paris Hilton says it’s “Hot”



Los Angeles, CA - Everyone’s favorite beutarded heiress, Paris Hilton is making quite the controversial splash on the fashion scene. She recently showed up to a party in Los Angeles friday night wearing a dress with visible magic Mormon underwear underneath. When asked about her ensemble, Paris replied “Why should Mormons get to have all the fun? I want my body to be protected too. It also makes the boys wonder what’s underneath it so that’s hot!”

Paris partied in L.A. wearing a Versace dress with peek-a-boo gold Mormon skivvies that had a picture of Tinkerbell and the numbers ‘2006′ written on the bottom in Swarvoski crystals. The hotel heiress modified them to closley fit her body in a new and updated version of Mormon Underwear.

The estimated cost of her underwear was $12,500 because she had to buy the pair off of a real Mormon, a source close to the heiress said. “It stands for the things most important in my life and protects them and my body from all outside harm.” Paris also showed what symbols she had put on the skivvies after she had it dyed, “There is Tinkerbell, my gold Dolce & Gabbana Razr phone, a hamburger and my favorite barf bowl–so I don’t confuse my priorities. Oh- I also had some of my hair extensions weaved into the fabric to make it feel more at home.”

Hollywood is abuzz with this new fashion faux DO. The rumors are that other female celebrities such as Lindsay Lohan, Kim Catrall, and Nicole Kidman are on the list for designer Mormon Underwear. “This is even hotter than UGG boots!” claimed a tarted-up Tara Reid who was trying to get Paris buy her a pair of Mormon Underwear. ” I’d put a bottle of whiskey and OxyContin on mine! It’s the next big thing, it’s so hot!”

 

[McKenna]

Everyone needs something to believe in. How is this any different than believing in the power of the cross? I'm convinced it's not so much what you believe in, but rather that you just believe.

 

[English Lady]

I always want to ask mormons to show me their underwear, I can't help it, I'm naughty like that.

I don't understand it, I think it's completely barmy and I don't believe in the mormon faith at all myself but I can't condemn a person for trying it - hell, we'd all be lining up for our protect all drawers if we had proof it worked or we were so desperate we could believe in anything.

I see it asan illustration that the human race is constantly looking to fill some kind of gap within themselves, I personally (and no doubt it looks arrogant to most) think I've found the thing that fills that gap, I'm not going to condemn anyone one else who is searching for that missing piece.

However, I still want to see a Mormons panties but I'm English, so I'll hold my compulsion in

 

[Pure]

so will Mitt Romney ever answer the $64,000 dollar question?

factoid of the day: iirc, regular underwear is worn atop the mormon garment; the woman puts on the shirttop garment, then her bra.

down below, is less clear to me. if there was a slit, as in the old days, she could pee or have her flow for her period, leaving the lower undergarment in place: so it goes (i think) undergarment, maxipad, panties*

(*apparently not any more, see below).

there is a detailed history of the changes over the last century, the introduction of a woman's garment, instead of a unisex 'longjohn' type; the introduction of two piece, etc. also i learned that now the bra is often worn inside, that presumably being allowed. same for panties?

Garments were not originally believed to provide any physicial protection. That idea didn't come until later, when during a barrage of gunfire Joseph Smith died not wearing his garments while John Talyor wearing garments survived.

http://www.i4m.com/think/temples/mormon-garments.htm

 

[Guest]

I may be wrong but, um, the reason why they wear them is so God can tell who the Mormons are and take them to heaven.

Why God would need such a clue, I've no idea.

Well, it's like mom always said.

You'd better wear clean underwear in case you're ever in an accident.

 

[Recidiva]

Best description of mormon life I've ever seen was in Orson Scott Card's "Lost Boys"

Whatever their spiritual beliefs, there's a lot of practical community stuff that just works. One of my favorite books ever. Truly kicks my ass every single time I read it.

I think it's something that's played up outside the community in the way that people can say Christians are cannibals because they drink blood and eat flesh in their rituals.

 

[Pure]

here's the other

as far as i can see, there are only two pictures (i.e., photos) of mormon underwear (temple garment) on the 'net. there are far more pictures of the atomic bomb.

http://www.luciferlink.org/mugarments.htm

there is a picture here, but the author in the accompanying article seems to think there are Mormon/ Mason links and that they're rather conspiratorial. i'm not endorsing his theories; i don't know about them.

 

[Stella_Omega]

One question, based on the picture in the top post; It's evident that there's a slit in the women's drawers for peeing, and-- if it's true they keep 'em on all the time-- foe conjugal ingress haha. And I assume that very comfortable-looking codpiece opens for convenience sake as well.

What about breasts, though-- for one thing even a Mormon would want her titties played with once in a while, and for another thing, what about breast-feeding that baby that comes nine months later?


And an observation about the link in the post just above mine-- the guy is claiming that the Compass is a goddess symbol, which really isn't such a bad idea now that I think about it. But he's basing his statement on Wiccan practice, evidently not knowing that the masons are about two hundred years old in their current form while Wicca was only codified about sixty years ago...

Ah, Ignorance-- bliss thou art!

 

[only_more_so]

I actually lived with a mormon for a while, and he definately wore it all the time.

I really don't approve of bashing religions, but Mormonism... *shudder* Basically the only religious group that bilks its congregants of money faster and more thoroughly than the Mormons is the Scientologists. Check out Ex-mormon.org or any of the other ex-mormon sites that come up on a google search.

Basically buying the garment is yet another way they church extracts money. For years I was bothered by their belief system (including baptism of the dead) and their founder, but when I read sites like that...

 

[Stella_Omega]

I actually lived with a mormon for a while, and he definately wore it all the time.

I really don't approve of bashing religions, but Mormonism... *shudder* Basically the only religious group that bilks its congregants of money faster and more thoroughly than the Mormons is the Scientologists. Check out Ex-mormon.org or any of the other ex-mormon sites that come up on a google search.

Basically buying the garment is yet another way they church extracts money. For years I was bothered by their belief system (including baptism of the dead) and their founder, but when I read sites like that...

You're telling us those Garments cost.. what, hundreds of dollars?

 

[Pure]

i don't want to bash mormons; i think of this as the study of 'man and his religions' (woman and her religions). whatever their 'sins' they are probably comparable to lots of tightly knit religious groups with strong authority vested in the elders, and in the men generally.

on selling the 'garment'; i don't think price has to astronomical to make money. if mormons can make them for 10 dollars and sell them for 40, times the number of adult mormons {for the US, maybe as much as 1 million}, two pair of garments every couple years, .... adds up.

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Checking the Mormon's online catalog at

http://www.ldscatalog.com/webapp/wc...splay?storeId=10151&catalogId=10151&langId=-1

i looked for "temple garments," and was taken to this page:


Membership Verification


To view or purchase garments and ceremonial clothing, you will need to enter the information below. This information will be used to identify members who have received temple endowments. This security protects the sacred nature of the garment and ceremonial temple clothing. Your ward or branch clerk can provide you with your membership number. Please ensure that you enter the correct information to prevent a delay in your order.

To protect the sacred nature of the garment, individuals purchasing garments and ceremonial clothing must be endowed members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. If you have not yet received your endowments you may have an endowed member, such as a relative, friend, or Church leader, place the order for you. If you have questions, please call 1-800-537-5971.



Note: If you live outside the following countries you must contact your nearest Distribution Center to purchase sacred clothing:

United States
Canada

Click here to find a location near you.

Online Garment Purchases
Enter your full name (for example, Jane M. Smith), birth date, confirmation date, and Church membership number.

Online Ceremonial Temple Clothing Purchases
Enter your full name (for example, Jane M. Smith), birth date, confirmation date, Church membership number, and current temple recommend number.

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sounds like it's easier to buy a stinger missile than an authentic set of mormon underwear.

 

[Pure]

protest received by sullivan re the photo i referenced:

24 Nov 2006 10:53 pm

A Mormon reader writes:

Many of us consider posting photographs of Mormon undergarments to be sacrilegious and offensive. Yes, we wear these garments at all times, except during swimming, athletic, bathing, and other activities where it would be impractical. They are made from a variety of textiles, and are comfortable to sleep in, being really not far removed from long johns. Many religious groups, and not just ours, wear clothing as a symbol of religious adherence. Ours, we wear as a reminder of our commitments, but not in public view, because we are reminding ourselves, not making a spectacle. Hence, underclothing. Additionally, they are cut in such a way as to require us to adhere to church modesty standards.

 

[Stella_Omega]

24 Nov 2006 10:53 pm

A Mormon reader writes:

Many of us consider posting photographs of Mormon undergarments to be sacrilegious and offensive. Yes, we wear these garments at all times, except during swimming, athletic, bathing, and other activities where it would be impractical. They are made from a variety of textiles, and are comfortable to sleep in, being really not far removed from long johns. Many religious groups, and not just ours, wear clothing as a symbol of religious adherence. Ours, we wear as a reminder of our commitments, but not in public view, because we are reminding ourselves, not making a spectacle. Hence, underclothing. Additionally, they are cut in such a way as to require us to adhere to church modesty standards.

Well... Jewish men take off their yarmulkes, and Catholic women don't have to wear scarves 24-7.

Even Muslim women can step out of Burkha when they are in the privacy of purdah.

 

[Pure]

a comparison.

to make a comparison, i googled 'amish underwear' and got this rather readable article by a woman who bought some. with no requirement to furnishing church membership id numbers, etc.

i think the mormon letter writer is perhaps overly sensitive, though i suppose he'[d] say it's a "temple [under] garment", not underwear.

http://lamom.blogs.com/lacrone/2006/01/index.html

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January 30, 2006

freedom where it really counts

i would never write about stuff like this on my other blog

in my continuing quest for comfort for my newly sensitive body, i started searching for new underwear. i wanted something nice and loose, no elastic rubbing against my thighs, no cloth pressed up against my girly parts. something that would feel like i was wearing no underwear at all. i wanted liberated underwear

i googled around for a while with search terms like "loose comfortable underwear" and was coming up dry until i noticed that one of the results included the word modest. it turns out that if you want freedom where it counts, you have to go to the other side of the aisle. i had quite a field trip checking out the numerous web sites that offer girls' and womens' clothing that meets the farthest religious right standards of modesty. one-stop shopping for ankle-length skirts, yoke-top dresses, and head coverings, usually hand-made by proverbs 31 women. and "modest" underwear! bloomers and pantalettes, mostly for young girls (so they can turn cartwheels while wearing a dress), but some for grown women, too. i think their idea is to wear the bloomers over their panties, but my plan was to wear them instead of panties

i was all set to buy some pantalettes, but then i found what i really wanted. long panties from an amish clothing site (i have to wonder who they're selling to, since the amish don't have computers)

anyway, i ordered the long panties and i'm absolutely in love with them. i got them one size larger than my regular size, and i wear them inside out so i don't feel the seams. they're just wonderful. i've found feminist liberation in amish underwear

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p: odd, the lady avoids capital letters; honest, i didn't redact her piece. what's going on here?

 

[Stella_Omega]

i think the mormon letter writer is perhaps overly sensitive, though i suppose he's say it's a "temple [under] garment", not underwear.

You can converse with a handful of Mormons on the craigslist.org religions forum-- they are, all of them, very sensitive.

 

[cumallday]

The dark side of religious freedom.

I don't agree with your choices, but I do agree with your right to make those choices (this includes underwear). But there's a caveat: I reserve the right to make fun of you. You can try and ridicule me for my choices in return, but that's not what Jesus would do, right? After all, the greatest religion of the past fifty years, television, once proclaimed, loud and strong, "You take the good, you take the bad, and there you go, and there you have, the facts of life, the facts of life." All praise be to Tootie.

 

[Pure]

i'm perhaps poking fun at the secrecy of the whole thing; clubs and organizations set up 'secret' this or that; in one case it's a recipe for green jello with carrots in. for 'skull and bones' it's a j.o. and a branding.
the latter, a way of marking off who's in and who's not.

 

[cloudy]

perhaps y'all would be "sensitive" too if you'd spent your entire lives hearing your faith being made fun of.

 

[Recidiva]

perhaps y'all would be "sensitive" too if you'd spent your entire lives hearing your faith being made fun of.

Amen.