What is happening to public schools ?

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A majority of public school pupils across the United States now live in poverty.

That's true for the first time in 50 years.

All past gains in reducing child poverty, made by the "war on poverty" beginning in the 1960s, now have been reversed, arguably because inflation-adjusted wages for the working poor and the middle class have for much of that time remained stagnant, or have declined.

And it's not just that more kids are living in poverty; it's that among those impoverished kids, a growing number are living in extreme poverty.

Wisconsin, it is true, fairs somewhat better than the norm. Here in the Badger state "only" 41 percent of all public school pupils come from impoverished homes. Still, that's worse than the poverty in nearby Iowa, Minnesota and Ohio.

If it isn't obvious why this is important, the Center on the Developing Child at Harvard University explained it in a nutshell:

Early experiences and the environments in which children develop in their earliest years can have lasting impact on later success in school and life. Barriers to children's educational achievement start early, and continue to grow without intervention. Differences in the size of children's vocabulary first appear at 18 months of age, based on whether they were born into a family with high education and income or low education and income. By age 3, children with college-educated parents or primary caregivers had vocabularies 2 to 3 times larger than those whose parents had not completed high school. By the time these children reach school, they are already behind their peers unless they are engaged in a language-rich environment early in life.

Yet you will strain to hear one whit about all this from conservative politicians who seem intent on further privatizing education in Wisconsin.

These are politicians who pretend that poverty does not influence how well many of our children do in school.

*gsgs comment- Why are Replicans gutting the social safety net ?*

President Obama has proposed adding a billion dollars in federal support to state education programs, targeted toward poor kids.

"Republicans are far more focused on creating a parallel, private education system funded with public tax dollars."

"GOP lawmakers think "federal dollars could be more effective if redundant programs were streamlined and more power was given to states."

They don't seem to think assigning tax dollars to subsidizing an entire, parallel, private school system is at at all redundant.

http://www.uppitywis.org/blogarticl...ts-not-about-schools-its-about-poverty-discus

Scott Walker's ruse-

Persistently low-performing public schools would be turned into charter schools and state funding would be cut off for problem private schools, under school accountability legislation.

*gsgs comment- The last that I have heard, is that charter schools for the poor and disadvantaged were immune to being found accountable. The owners took the money and ran, to where they could enjoy an expensive lifestyle, elsewhere. Grifters were running Potemkin schools, and the children were not educated.*

See- Potemkin village
 
Things like minimum wage and welfare have destroyed em!!

IF we just quit helping poor folks out and started actively exploiting them they wouldn't be such a problem now would they?

VOTE REPUBLICAN!!
 
Things like minimum wage and welfare have destroyed em!!

IF we just quit helping poor folks out and started actively exploiting them they wouldn't be such a problem now would they?

VOTE REPUBLICAN!!

No, not exploited, punished.
After all, poverty is a sign of the immoral & degenerate, unless it's God's way of testing the faithful.
 
"New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo is ratcheting up his war on public education. He's looking to expand charter schools, create a back-door voucher program through tax credits, and make it easier to fire teachers."

Cuomo has already forced New York City to provide free space for charter schools after Mayor Bill de Blasio tried to block charters from taking space from kids in public schools located in the same buildings.

Now, Cuomo is pushing to raise or even eliminate the cap on the number of charter schools that can exist in the state.

Cuomo is on the side of charter chains with highly paid executives, chains that force special needs kids out, leaving the special needs kids and homeless kids and English Language Learners to the public schools, which are then slammed for underperforming as they try to educate a more challenging group of students.

*gsgs comment- Then, the Republicans get to point to the public schools that are failing. But the Republicans will never admit to the fact that it is their plans that are destroying children's lives, and the children's opportunities. How odd, that the Republican policies about forbidding abortions of damaged fetuses, punish women and their families, while Republican education policies punish the damaged children, for being born. As it is, the private charter school children sharing classroom spaces, are scornful and insulting towards the public school children. As if, the disadvantaged children needed more blows to their self esteem.

Because, after all, charter school executives will give campaign contributions.
And the Koch brothers will lend more support to the Republican cause.*

http://www.dailykos.com/main/3
 
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Try this simple test:

Visit a black, illegal, and white home at night, and note what their kids are doing at, say, 9 oclock.

At the black home the kids will be out on the street unsupervised. Ma is out partying. Pa doesn't live in the home. At the illegal home the kids will be inside doing chores while Ma is outside drinking with neighbors. At the white home the kids will be inside bathing and getting ready for bed. Return to the homes at midnite: The black kids will be on the street, the illegals will be eating supper, and the white kids will be asleep.
 
A majority of public school pupils across the United States now live in poverty.

That's true for the first time in 50 years.

All past gains in reducing child poverty, made by the "war on poverty" beginning in the 1960s, now have been reversed, arguably because inflation-adjusted wages for the working poor and the middle class have for much of that time remained stagnant, or have declined.

And it's not just that more kids are living in poverty; it's that among those impoverished kids, a growing number are living in extreme poverty.

Wisconsin, it is true, fairs somewhat better than the norm. Here in the Badger state "only" 41 percent of all public school pupils come from impoverished homes. Still, that's worse than the poverty in nearby Iowa, Minnesota and Ohio.

If it isn't obvious why this is important, the Center on the Developing Child at Harvard University explained it in a nutshell:

Early experiences and the environments in which children develop in their earliest years can have lasting impact on later success in school and life. Barriers to children's educational achievement start early, and continue to grow without intervention. Differences in the size of children's vocabulary first appear at 18 months of age, based on whether they were born into a family with high education and income or low education and income. By age 3, children with college-educated parents or primary caregivers had vocabularies 2 to 3 times larger than those whose parents had not completed high school. By the time these children reach school, they are already behind their peers unless they are engaged in a language-rich environment early in life.

Yet you will strain to hear one whit about all this from conservative politicians who seem intent on further privatizing education in Wisconsin.

These are politicians who pretend that poverty does not influence how well many of our children do in school.

*gsgs comment- Why are Replicans gutting the social safety net ?*

President Obama has proposed adding a billion dollars in federal support to state education programs, targeted toward poor kids.

"Republicans are far more focused on creating a parallel, private education system funded with public tax dollars."

"GOP lawmakers think "federal dollars could be more effective if redundant programs were streamlined and more power was given to states."

They don't seem to think assigning tax dollars to subsidizing an entire, parallel, private school system is at at all redundant.

http://www.uppitywis.org/blogarticl...ts-not-about-schools-its-about-poverty-discus

Scott Walker's ruse-

Persistently low-performing public schools would be turned into charter schools and state funding would be cut off for problem private schools, under school accountability legislation.

*gsgs comment- The last that I have heard, is that charter schools for the poor and disadvantaged were immune to being found accountable. The owners took the money and ran, to where they could enjoy an expensive lifestyle, elsewhere. Grifters were running Potemkin schools, and the children were not educated.*

See- Potemkin village

There are those out there who see tax dollars and will do whatever they can to get them and don't care about the results.
 
Try this simple test:

Visit a black, illegal, and white home at night, and note what their kids are doing at, say, 9 oclock.

At the black home the kids will be out on the street unsupervised. Ma is out partying. Pa doesn't live in the home. At the illegal home the kids will be inside doing chores while Ma is outside drinking with neighbors. At the white home the kids will be inside bathing and getting ready for bed. Return to the homes at midnite: The black kids will be on the street, the illegals will be eating supper, and the white kids will be asleep.

Ok. Let's look at where Obama's daughters are at midnight and where Jeb Bush's daughters are at midnight.
 
what happened to public schools? fucktards in government are in control

when you have socialist in charge, well America will become a 5th world nation and will rely and India and Russia to support America
 
Please explain where and how he said the words, "liberalism is taking over schools."

"What's happening in the public schools is the affliction we know as Liberalism." is literarily the same as "liberalism is taking over schools."

As long as you explain why not.
 
"What's happening in the public schools is the affliction we know as Liberalism." is literarily the same as "liberalism is taking over schools."

As long as you explain why not.

I literally think you do not know what literally means.

Sgt Spiderman never allows anyone to "ascribe" him a position that he did not word-for-word say. I am asking that he hold himself to the same standard.
 
I literally think you do not know what literally means.

Literallilitity means....well...."you're dumb" is the same as "your dumbness flows outta your ears"...but you have the right to be picky about it
 
Sgt Spiderman never allows anyone to "ascribe" him a position that he did not word-for-word say. I am asking that he hold himself to the same standard.

Literally saying "please tell me where I said that" is not the same as "you're not allowed to say such a thing".....and btw: thinking like that would make discussions a bit too complicated. It's better to read what somebody wrote than to assume what he could mean. Just for understanding purposes.
 
Some states are putting more of their education dollars into voucher programs, which effectively means less money for the public schools. And they are not holding those private, in some cases for-profit voucher-backed schools to the same standards as the public schools. This frightens me greatly. Having a good education should be more than just a privilege. If the kids in your community go to good schools, it makes your whole community a better place. IMHO.
 
Literally saying "please tell me where I said that" is not the same as "you're not allowed to say such a thing".....and btw: thinking like that would make discussions a bit too complicated. It's better to read what somebody wrote than to assume what he could mean. Just for understanding purposes.

There is no "understanding purposes" with him. He rarely takes an actual position and insists that others defend not just their position but their position as he defines it.

His two favorite phrases are. "I never said that" and "you said..." with completely different standards applied to either case.
 
There is no "understanding purposes" with him. He rarely takes an actual position and insists that others defend not just their position but their position as he defines it.

That's an ordinary thing. When somebody talks about your position, he talks about your position as he defines it, there's no difference between busybody and sgtspiderman in this case.

You can clarify in some cases that this is not your position and he cites you wrong. Everybody does it, you're no exception. It's no double standard, just because you say it and tune out you're doing it, too.
 
That's an ordinary thing. When somebody talks about your position, he talks about your position as he defines it, there's no difference between busybody and sgtspiderman in this case.

You can clarify in some cases that this is not your position and he cites you wrong. Everybody does it, you're no exception. It's no double standard, just because you say it and tune out you're doing it, too.


you are a socialist, therefore you are retarded
 
Some states are putting more of their education dollars into voucher programs, which effectively means less money for the public schools. And they are not holding those private, in some cases for-profit voucher-backed schools to the same standards as the public schools. This frightens me greatly. Having a good education should be more than just a privilege. If the kids in your community go to good schools, it makes your whole community a better place. IMHO.

What is also frightening is that voters have little to no control over charter schools. Tax dollars would go to schools and the public would have no say in what is or isn't taught there.

Assuming of course that the charter school stays open the entire school year.
 
What is also frightening is that voters have little to no control over charter schools. Tax dollars would go to schools and the public would have no say in what is or isn't taught there.

Assuming of course that the charter school stays open the entire school year.

Why does having a school entirely accountable only to the parents that choose to send their kids there frighten you? Those same kids could be home-schooled. Does that frighten you too?

Since when do you care about tax dollars? There is an unlimited supply of them, is there not?

Or does it bother you that charter schools spend LESS tax dollars per pupil?
 
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