What Happened to the Quitting the Site Thread?

[ElectricBlue]

Deleting accounts doesn’t happen that often. At least, not while they have an active thread on the go.

Most folk disappear quietly into the night, leaving a ghost of a trail behind them.

I wish the admins had a policy of explaining why they delete threads, so we could learn from experience. In this and an earlier conversation about a deleted thread, no one really knew the reason for it.

In this instance, a member had their account deleted and left the site, and their thread went with them.

If the site gets tired of squabbles in a thread, they close it, they don't delete it. Logically, therefore, any thread that disappears is most likely because a member left, or the person was banned from the site.

No-one but the site knows how often this occurs, but I can't imagine the site ever explaining what the reason was. Why would they bother? The account holder either wanted to leave, or they were told, you're gone. It's nothing to do with the rest of us.

 

[AG31]

, or they were told, you're gone. It's nothing to do with the rest of us.

I would very much like to know what caused the admins to ban people, specifically, not according to FAQs which seem to frequently be wrong or out of date. Sorry, I can't give specifics. It's just an accumulation of disagreements about what the TOSs say and what triggers banning.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I would very much like to know what caused the admins to ban people, specifically, not according to FAQs which seem to frequently be wrong or out of date. Sorry, I can't give specifics. It's just an accumulation of disagreements about what the TOSs say and what triggers banning.

From the bans I've observed over the years - which isn't many from players around the AH - it's generally down to excessive trolling behaviour, where the individual either chooses not to, or is incapable of, self moderation. I can't comment on other forums because I don't dwell in any. On occasion "Tell my why" threads appear in the Technical Forum, and the commentary always suggests either trolling or what would appear to be stalking.

That's consistent with the FAQs.

It also manifests when the AHMod removes content and gives a reason, or closes a thread. The AHMod in my experience always posts a reason; the site, when it wipes out posts, doesn't. Being in Oz, in a different time zone, I've occasionally read a thread with provocative or deliberately inflammatory commentary, and when I read it again later, those posts have disappeared. I reckon such a cut is done by the site, not the Mod.

I've never seen a reason given, "This is why Accountxyz is banned," and would never expect to.

 

[Voboy]

From the bans I've observed over the years - which isn't many from players around the AH - it's generally down to excessive trolling behaviour, where the individual either chooses not to, or is incapable of, self moderation. I can't comment on other forums because I don't dwell in any. On occasion "Tell my why" threads appear in the Technical Forum, and the commentary always suggests either trolling or what would appear to be stalking.

That's consistent with the FAQs.

It also manifests when the AHMod removes content and gives a reason, or closes a thread. The AHMod in my experience always posts a reason; the site, when it wipes out posts, doesn't. Being in Oz, in a different time zone, I've occasionally read a thread with provocative or deliberately inflammatory commentary, and when I read it again later, those posts have disappeared. I reckon such a cut is done by the site, not the Mod.

I've never seen a reason given, "This is why Accountxyz is banned," and would never expect to.

I'm on several message boards, and one of them is particularly savage. They ban, then explain the ban and maintain a stickied list of banned people prominently displayed.

All the other ones work more like this'n.

 

[NuclearFairy]

Most folk disappear quietly into the night, leaving a ghost of a trail behind them.

Personally if I were to leave a site, I wouldn't bother having my account deleted I'd just not come back one day. Anything else would be embarrassing to the extreme if I ever changed my mind. Which has only happened once in the dozens of times I've moved on from something or other, but still.

 

[lilshymynx]

I would very much like to know what caused the admins to ban people, specifically, not according to FAQs which seem to frequently be wrong or out of date. Sorry, I can't give specifics. It's just an accumulation of disagreements about what the TOSs say and what triggers banning.

It is policy for chat bans not to be discussed publicly. I would expect that forum bans are handled the same way

 

[ElectricBlue]

Personally if I were to leave a site, I wouldn't bother having my account deleted I'd just not come back one day. Anything else would be embarrassing to the extreme if I ever changed my mind. Which has only happened once in the dozens of times I've moved on from something or other, but still.

I've had no reason to ever consider leaving Lit - the shenanigans don't bother me, Ignore is my friend, and the few inane comments I receive, there's always the Delete button. On occasion I ponder a final exit, and wonder what I might do then, in terms of shutting down votes and comments and leaving that ghostly trail as a memorial for someone no-one really knows.

That came to mind a couple of weeks ago, when an old friend here sent me a final PM saying, Dear Friend, I think my time has come, so I'm saying my quiet goodbyes. That was sad, and touched me.

 

[NuclearFairy]

I've had no reason to ever consider leaving Lit - the shenanigans don't bother me, Ignore is my friend, and the few inane comments I receive, there's always the Delete button. On occasion I ponder a final exit, and wonder what I might do then, in terms of shutting down votes and comments and leaving that ghostly trail as a memorial for someone no-one really knows.

That came to mind a couple of weeks ago, when an old friend here sent me a final PM saying, Dear Friend, I think my time has come, so I'm saying my quiet goodbyes. That was sad, and touched me.

Usually when I leave something, it's not because something is driving me away, it's because nothing is drawing me in anymore. (Facebook was one of the exceptions, just too much going on and I couldn't handle it anymore.) But I don't see that happening here, I can be as engaged or not engaged as I want. Also it's the only site that works reliably when my internet is being metered, which happens for about one to two weeks every month.

Ah, yeah I've sent out a few of those PMs, usually they also have an e-mail attached in case they wanna keep in touch.

 

[ToPleaseHim]

FFS no one can delete a thread other than Laurel/Manu. Mods cannot delete a thread. The OP cannot delete a thread.

They can ask that the site do it, and at that point its up to the site.

And what is this BS about "your content" shouldn't be deleted? What content? Your opinions expressed in posts? That's content now?

Trust me, whatever anyone said in that thread is something they've said 100 times already and will say another 100 times.

The hubris here is only exceeded by butthurt.

Maybe you should see if Lit has an HR department.

Mods can and do remove threads.

 

[ToPleaseHim]

I think the forum software used here allows for deactivation of accounts as well deletion. In the former case, the content is preserved but scrubbed of any account-related details, leaving things like 'Guest' comments, with the potential to be restored someday. Deletion would be a total purge.

This is accurate.

 

[ToPleaseHim]

Deleting accounts doesn’t happen that often. At least, not while they have an active thread on the go.

I was aware that forum posts disappear, along with the deleted accounts, because I see it happen in the “Misquote the person above” game. (E.g. Here’s Tio_Narratore citing a post by Freewives (deleted account) – the citation still exists but the earlier post is 404’d.)

Few of us realized the effect this erasure has on entire threads, when the originating post gets deleted. I’m sure AmberSolis did not know this would happen. Why make a departing post about why you are quitting if that post will disappear as you quit? (I think it took a day for the account removal to actually happen, that’s why we got a chance to see and respond to her thread.)

So there was no censorship, no retaliation, no inappropriate posts. People are reading too much emotion into this. The disappearing thread was normal site behavior for when a user deletes their own account and they are the originator of a thread. The clean-up was automatically enacted by a computer, without any emotions being involved.

However, like a blue-screen-of-death that steals away your cogitated email draft, people are going to be upset that their freshly posted opinions got blown away unexpectedly. Even AmberSolis might be upset that her parting message is now (probably unintentionally) gone, because I don’t think she knew that deleting her account will delete all her posts (and thus, zap the parting thread she created).

When the initial post in a thread is removed, the second post becomes the new OP. Removing post 1 does not remove the entire thread.

 

[ElectricBlue]

When the initial post in a thread is removed, the second post becomes the new OP. Removing post 1 does not remove the entire thread.

Except in this instance it did. Which makes me think the OP asked for a complete thread purge, and the site obliged.

 

[ToPleaseHim]

Except in this instance it did. Which makes me think the OP asked for a complete thread purge, and the site obliged.

You don’t know that deleting the opening post is what deleted the thread. That did not happen. The thread was deleted, yes. Sounds like every thread and post by the OP was deleted. It wasn’t the initial post being deleted that resulted in the thread being removed. The entire thread was intentionally removed. Speculation as to how the member made the request doesn’t change that. I was just clarifying that removing the opening post does not result in a thread being removed.

 

[ElectricBlue]

You don’t know that deleting the opening post is what deleted the thread. That did not happen. The thread was deleted, yes. Sounds like every thread and post by the OP was deleted. It wasn’t the initial post being deleted that resulted in the thread being removed. The entire thread was intentionally removed. Speculation as to how the member made the request doesn’t change that. I was just clarifying that removing the opening post does not result in a thread being removed.

Agree, based on your comment that Post 2 would normally become the OP. Your clarification added to my knowledge, you being a Mod for some forum or other.

 

[Cacatua_Galerita]

Agree, based on your comment that Post 2 would normally become the OP. Your clarification added to my knowledge, you being a Mod for some forum or other.

Do you have an example of this? I looked for an old thread where the (new) first post replies to an earlier (removed) original post but didn’t find anything. (Possibly because it is uncommon? Possibly because it can’t happen?)

I did find plenty of early examples where the OP account had been deleted and the User ID had become “guest” (through manual intervention by the admins, I gather).

The account removal FAQ (that you referenced in 2020) hasn’t changed in wording:

we do not remove forum posts except in extreme circumstances

However, the Forum Rules it refers to seems to contradict the FAQ:

If you decide to have your Close Your Literotica Account, we will do our best to remove your posts before removing the account, but please be aware that once you’ve posted in the forum, those posts become part of the public internet and they may be quoted in any number of places.

The opening phrase of that rule reads like it has been (mis)edited. Probably updated for the enhanced capabilities of the “new software” now running the forum.

I cannot see any explanation of what happens to entire threads when the OP account is deleted, but it seems to me the entire thread is lost. I suspect even Laurel was unaware of the new software’s behavior in such cases? Perhaps it is a software configurable behavior?

Although “it was Laurel who removed the thread” I don’t believe it was an action she took specifically against the Quitting thread (because of my site criticism there or similar reason). So, on current evidence, I don’t attribute the thread disappearance to any intentional censorship. (A pity. Censorship would mean Laurel likely read what I posted; but it seems to me it was just the consequence of a background account action.)

Anyway, I think the forum server still holds all of our content, it's just marked as unavailable. Here is the link to the original AmberSolis post:

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/quitting-the-site.1633527/post-100984602

This will give you an “Oops!” response: “You do not have permission to view this page.”

If I edit the last character to a location that does not exist:

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/quitting-the-site.1633527/post-10098460x

Then you get a “page not found” response instead. I assume this means the content still exists on the server but we (non-administrators) don’t have permission to see it anymore. The same is true for all the thread's replies: 'we don't have permission' rather than 'the content doesn't exist'.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Do you have an example of this? I looked for an old thread where the (new) first post replies to an earlier (removed) original post but didn’t find anything. (Possibly because it is uncommon? Possibly because it can’t happen?)

I believe @ToPleaseHim is mod on a forum, so speaks from experience.

I did find plenty of early examples where the OP account had been deleted and the User ID had become “guest” (through manual intervention by the admins, I gather).

I've seen that too, but in the eleven years I've been in the AH I haven't seen many total purges. It seems more common in Chat or the Personals, judging from the Mod commentary I've seen.

The opening phrase of that rule reads like it has been (mis)edited. Probably updated for the enhanced capabilities of the “new software” now running the forum.

Could be. The Forum updates have been occasional over the last four or five years, but none of us here know the extent of the changes. One can speculate, from what you see over time.

Although “it was Laurel who removed the thread” I don’t believe it was an action she took specifically against the Quitting thread (because of my site criticism there or similar reason). So, on current evidence, I don’t attribute the thread disappearance to any intentional censorship. (A pity. Censorship would mean Laurel likely read what I posted; but it seems to me it was just the consequence of a background account action.)

I always default to cock-up rather than conspiracy on things like this.

 

[lovecraft68]

Do you have an example of this? I looked for an old thread where the (new) first post replies to an earlier (removed) original post but didn’t find anything. (Possibly because it is uncommon? Possibly because it can’t happen?)

I did find plenty of early examples where the OP account had been deleted and the User ID had become “guest” (through manual intervention by the admins, I gather).

The account removal FAQ (that you referenced in 2020) hasn’t changed in wording:

we do not remove forum posts except in extreme circumstances

However, the Forum Rules it refers to seems to contradict the FAQ:

If you decide to have your Close Your Literotica Account, we will do our best to remove your posts before removing the account, but please be aware that once you’ve posted in the forum, those posts become part of the public internet and they may be quoted in any number of places.

The opening phrase of that rule reads like it has been (mis)edited. Probably updated for the enhanced capabilities of the “new software” now running the forum.

I cannot see any explanation of what happens to entire threads when the OP account is deleted, but it seems to me the entire thread is lost. I suspect even Laurel was unaware of the new software’s behavior in such cases? Perhaps it is a software configurable behavior?

Although “it was Laurel who removed the thread” I don’t believe it was an action she took specifically against the Quitting thread (because of my site criticism there or similar reason). So, on current evidence, I don’t attribute the thread disappearance to any intentional censorship. (A pity. Censorship would mean Laurel likely read what I posted; but it seems to me it was just the consequence of a background account action.)

Anyway, I think the forum server still holds all of our content, it's just marked as unavailable. Here is the link to the original AmberSolis post:

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/quitting-the-site.1633527/post-100984602

This will give you an “Oops!” response: “You do not have permission to view this page.”

If I edit the last character to a location that does not exist:

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/quitting-the-site.1633527/post-10098460x

Then you get a “page not found” response instead. I assume this means the content still exists on the server but we (non-administrators) don’t have permission to see it anymore. The same is true for all the thread's replies: 'we don't have permission' rather than 'the content doesn't exist'.

The thread was removed as part of the OP wanting her account deleted. In the past it was only the stories that vanished, on the board the threads would remain, but under the name "guest"

Now with a software update everything is wiped.

No conspiracy, nothing personal, and certainly not a personal attack like some of the professionally offended here seem to think.

This is simply the first example of how its going to be.

This has been confirmed by the moderators.

The way this thing is going on and on says a hell of a lot more about some of the crowd here than it does the OP of the original thread or Laurel.

People need to stop taking themselves so seriously

 

[lovecraft68]

In case it comes up here, another thread vanished yesterday. Another removed by the site, this one because of the same folks breaking the same rule, again and in a short period of time

Another example of a group who will get on their high horse about posting underage content in stories, but then think THEY can post it here because its 'discussion'

Personally, I've long felt the whole 'you never existed before the age of 18' is a bit too much, but the people here would shout "it's the rule, it's the rule"

So, as I said about the thread being discussed here.

How's it feel to have YOUR content removed for what you think is an unfair reason?

Some interesting Karma making its way around.

 

[BlackFlame112000]

So the thing about second post becoming first ...the mod says it does, but somehow its stupid to think that's what happens ?

 

[lovecraft68]

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No one claimed threads can’t be removed. What we argued is that once an account is deleted, it makes sense to remove all associated data. People often share personal information, sometimes even private photos, and once they can’t manage or respond to their content, removing it is the responsible thing to do.

In this case, a member requested account deletion, explained her reasons here, and a few days later, the request was granted. Consequently, the thread was removed. That’s how the system works. Nothing was done out of malice.

But hey, if you’re eager to align yourself with sixty-year-old teenagers still compelled to rebel against authority, be my guest.

As for the second post becoming the first? Even you can’t be that stupid.

Excuse me, sir, this is the author's hangout, not the never publish anything but insult those who do forum.

 

[BlackFlame112000]

And what would the title of that thread be? Why don’t you go play in the sandbox while the adults are talking?

I had a question, I asked
Its a public forum, I can talk where I want, maybe you should keep pretending sarcasm is a substitute for being right, that will totally make u right

 

[BlackFlame112000]

Excuse me, sir, this is the author's hangout, not the never publish anything but insult those who do forum.

Must be intellectually challenged, they do seem to have some sand up their pants about other's having questions

 

[lovecraft68]

Your private message box is filled with samples of my... oh, oops.

Small samples, not stories and you don't publish them for anyone to read here. Which would be fine if you didn't tout yourself as being so superior to all the crap you say we write.

 

[lovecraft68]

So the thing about second post becoming first ...the mod says it does, but somehow its stupid to think that's what happens ?

Right, its not hard to underrstand

If the second post quoted the first I see no issue because it can still be seen. If it didn't quote it the title of the thread and that response should give anyone with comprehension an idea of what the original question was.

I'd rather see the entire thread go away if the OP removes the first post or if the site did for some violation reason.

Not like they don't all repeat themselves over time.

 

[ToPleaseHim]

And what would the title of that thread be? Why don’t you go play in the sandbox while the adults are talking?

The thread title would remain the same, although if the new OP edits their post, they would have the option to edit the title. Moderators can edit the titles, as well.