What happened to all of the doom and gloom economic threads?

[mercury14]

That quote is from the fucking speech you linked to and demanded I fucking read.


Maybe you need to go back and review the fucking speech.


This is the one thing that stuck out from all the "silver bullet" platitudes...


Are you that pathologically dedicated to your ideology that now I'm a liar for quoting from your own fucking source???

Here's a link to the entire speech. The only time "17" shows up is in the quote I showed you. In what part of the speech are you seeing your quote? Because a word search says your quote does not exist.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Go back to the link you posted.


That's where I got the quote.

I copied it exactly.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Why won't you tell us how you tax a profit and not the customer?



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[RobDownSouth]

Go back to the link you posted.


That's where I got the quote.

I copied it exactly.

I went back there, AJ.

I copied the screen.

Mercury told the truth.

You lied.

"Seventeen percent of the oil we import"
vs

Algae could supply 17% of our needs.

Here's the screen print:

 

[mercury14]

In addition to conservative hero Darrell Issa, here is arch-Republican Mike Pence's request for money to build algae tech plants in his district.

Let's see the Republican leadership position here shall we?

"The productivity of micro algae is high enough to realistically replace US fuel and related industrial needs without supplanting food production. Algae production directly addresses all of the significant challenges being faced by the US, namely domestic energy security, greenhouse gas emissions, scientific leadership in a variety of industries, and green job creation."

- Republican Congressman Mike Pence

You can go read about Republican congressman Mike Johanns saying something very similiar when requesting money for the same thing.

Seems the Republican Party leadership loves algae biofuels. At least until they heard Obama is for it, now they're against it. Nevermind that they want money for it.

 

[mercury14]

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Is there an onsen nearby? Where??????



Damn, I miss living in Japan.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Is that what you call non sequitur?

“U.S. and EU sanctions on Iran’s crude oil exports and its central bank were not supposed to affect either the volume of oil available or its price, provided markets reacted ‘rationally,’” Reuters analyst John Kemp reported this week.

Who didn’t suppose this? A biased party: the “sanctions advocates at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies in Washington” in a report called “Oil Market Impact of Sanctions Against the Central Bank of Iran.”

This was not mere academic theorizing on their part. Decisions hinged on what the sanctions advocates at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies “supposed.” Writes Kemp, “The idea that sanctions could reduce Iran’s oil revenues without boosting prices for oil-consuming countries was crucial to persuading policymakers in the United States and Europe to impose far-reaching restrictions on Iran’s oil sector.”

Well, how did that work out? If you have a car, or merely walk past a gas station on a regular basis, you know the answer.

“Backfired”

“But the policy has backfired,” Kemp writes. “Oil prices have surged, harming consuming countries and offsetting the impact of lower exports on Iran’s revenues.”

How could things have gone so wrong? Kemp tells us that “U.S. and EU sanctions were written very carefully to include plenty of flexibility to ensure they would not risk a spike in prices” (emphasis added). No doubt the best minds in the bureaucracies were on the case.

U.S. sanctions, set out in Section 1245 of the National Defense Authorisation Act for Fiscal 2012 (HR 1540), apply only if the president determines “the price and supply of petroleum and petroleum products produced in countries other than Iran is sufficient to permit purchasers . . . to reduce significantly in volume their purchases from Iran”.

Sanctions do not apply if the president determines an importer has “significantly reduced” its volume of crude purchases from Iran, and the president can waive them altogether if it is in the national interest.

The law mandates experts at the Energy Information Administration (EIA), in conjunction with the departments of Treasury and State and the head of the intelligence community, to review the availability of alternative supplies every 60 days. [Emphasis added.]

Smart Folks

So how could it miss? The president, a smart guy advised by a slew of other smart folks, is empowered to determine all this stuff. And then experts review other important stuff.

Can’t miss, right?

Except it did. Kemp:

Two things have gone wrong. First, sanctions are interacting with other supply disruptions (in South Sudan, Yemen, Syria) to reduce supplies and exhaust the cushion of spare capacity Saudi Arabia holds. [Oops!]

Reason.com

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

In addition to conservative hero Darrell Issa, here is arch-Republican Mike Pence's request for money to build algae tech plants in his district.

Let's see the Republican leadership position here shall we?



You can go read about Republican congressman Mike Johanns saying something very similiar when requesting money for the same thing.

Seems the Republican Party leadership loves algae biofuels. At least until they heard Obama is for it, now they're against it. Nevermind that they want money for it.

Uh, hey genius, let me catch you up to speed.

I blasted the Republicans for government ethanol, and I will equally blast them for algae...

Stupid is as stupid does AND SAYS!

I have been long time, listen, I'm unstuck in time, against ANY GOVERNMENT SCIENCE with public money...

And I went from Democrat to Libertarian, not Republican.

It's stupid for both of them.

Now, answer the question.

 

[mercury14]

Go back to the link you posted.


That's where I got the quote.

I copied it exactly.

The link I posted a couple pages back is the exact same one as here. It's a copy of the speech straight from the White House.

Half-wit AJ got his lying algae talking point for the day.

Moron, go read Obama's speech to see what he did NOT say about algae: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/02/23/remarks-president-energy

You're no different at all than Jen these days, if you ever were.

You didn't copy any link from anything I posted, liar.

 

[richard_daily]

In many different vehicles.

You act like something I did a DECADE ago is somehow a lie.

You act also like I put all my money into gold.

You do that because you have nothing else.

You just lie. Merc does too.

He admits it...

He's more of a man in that regard that you will ever be. Every person that ever joined your magic list of 100 now probably feels like they either need a shower, or that you hosed them and took advantage of them, but that's just what you do, for you are a tiny, vindictive little man...

You said you DIDN'T do it... now you're admitting that you did?

Just come clean, you'll feel better.

 

[mercury14]

And I went from Democrat to Libertarian, not Republican.

No you didn't. If you were formerly a Democrat you'd be capable of articulating democratic positions. But instead you make lying straw man arguments and ascribe positions to liberals that they do not take or support. You're lying about this too.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The link I posted a couple pages back is the exact same one as here. It's a copy of the speech straight from the White House.

You didn't copy any link from anything I posted, liar.

When you read the actual speech, it makes AJ looks much worse.

President Obama is not talking about replacing 17% of our needs with algae.
He's not even talking about replacing 17% of our imported oil with algae.
He's talking about replacing 17% of the imported oil used for transportation (as opposed to fuel oil for heating and stuff).

Coming up next: Algae proves to be wildly successful, and AJ claims he's had 17% of his 401K portfolio invested in algae all along, since 1999!!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

We’re making new investments in the development of gasoline and diesel and jet fuel that’s actually made from a plant-like substance -- algae. You’ve got a bunch of algae out here, right? (Laughter.) If we can figure out how to make energy out of that, we’ll be doing all right.

Believe it or not, we could replace up to 17 percent of the oil we import for transportation with this fuel that we can grow right here in the United States. And that means greater energy security. That means lower costs. It means more jobs. It means a stronger economy.

That's the exact thing I copied before. You're hung up on one word, transportation. That make me a liar for saying that his algae idea is loony at best. All government ideas are loony. All you care about is protecting the Democrat Party against outrageous Republican attacks.

You'll still be fighting when your victory party comes crashing in all about you...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

It means a weaker economy because, like ethanol, it will steal Capital and piss it away like so many other of his green initiatives.




And I'm going to keep demanding you tell me how you plan to tax profits and not customers.

 

[mercury14]

When you read the actual speech, it makes AJ looks much worse.

President Obama is not talking about replacing 17% of our needs with algae.
He's not even talking about replacing 17% of our imported oil with algae.
He's talking about replacing 17% of the imported oil used for transportation (as opposed to fuel oil for heating and stuff).

Coming up next: Algae proves to be wildly successful, and AJ claims he's had 17% of his 401K portfolio invested in algae all along, since 1999!!

This is exactly what I'm saying. AJ lied about the Obama quote existing. Then he lied about the content of the quote, dramatically changing its meaning. Then he lied a third time, saying he got the quote from my link (which is a link to the speech that does not contain his quote at all). I'm betting on a fourth lie to cover up the first three.

 

[RightField]

Yeah I just proved you lied beyond a shadow of a doubt actually. And you did not take the quote from Obama. You lied again. And you're lying yet again right now.

"17 percent of our needs" is massively different than "17 percent of the oil we import for transportation". The only way you can insist it's the same thing is by lying.

Sounds like Merc is taking a projection or estimate based on very thin analysis and calling it a "fact" ....again. Then he'll say that the "guess" was put in the Wall Street Journal so it's therefore an immutable fact without dissension. Wild-ass guesses by Democrats don't count as "facts". Lets review some of the more bold wild-ass guesses by Democrats: "Pass the Stimulus and unemployment won't go over 8%"...then there's "Pass this healthcare bill and you can keep your current plan if you want and costs won't go up."

 

[mercury14]

That's the exact thing I copied before. You're hung up on one word, transportation. That make me a liar for saying that his algae idea is loony at best. All government ideas are loony. All you care about is protecting the Democrat Party against outrageous Republican attacks.

You'll still be fighting when your victory party comes crashing in all about you...

That is not the exact thing you DELIBERATELY MISQUOTED before.

Stop lying.

And wow... Stop lying by saying that I'm your source for false Obama quotes that you clearly fabricated. This is fucked up on a whole other level than we've seen from you in the past.

 

[RobDownSouth]

That's the exact thing I copied before. You're hung up on one word, transportation. That make me a liar for saying that his algae idea is loony at best. All government ideas are loony. All you care about is protecting the Democrat Party against outrageous Republican attacks.

You'll still be fighting when your victory party comes crashing in all about you...

It took you 45 minutes to find that very old post and take it out of context.
Your slurs only take a couple of posts to occur, ... on a daily basis.h8r

Oh, so when WE leave out "context" that's bad, but when we call attention to YOU leaving out "context" that's....that's....THAT'S DIFFERENT!

Can you say "Situational Red Man Speaks With Forked Tongue", class? You BETCHA!

Rules for thee but not for me! Alinsky! Cloward Piven! TELEPROMPTERS!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

For the record, this is waht I said the first time, so everyone can understand what length you guys are willing to go to to create lies out of whole cloth...

People, are we forgetting to air up our tires and get our cars tuned up?


I KNOW!

Let's convert our swimming pools to algae farms!!!

Another great idea, would [be] to take credit for the Bush...

So, I never even said that which you claim was a lie, you just went on the attack to get onto the record that Obama said 17% of our transportation costs, when everyone can clearly and plainly see that I was using sarcasm to make a point about general presidential policy and efforts like Solyndra, Fiskar, batteries and the Volt...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

That is not the exact thing you DELIBERATELY MISQUOTED before.

Stop lying.

And wow... Stop lying by saying that I'm your source for false Obama quotes that you clearly fabricated. This is fucked up on a whole other level than we've seen from you in the past.

It sure is. same speech, same two paragraphs, same official website that you demanded I go read.

Funny thing that. You always blast my sources without reading them, but I read yours...

Hmmm...

I guess that makes you the smart guy.

 

[mercury14]

Sounds like Merc is taking a projection or estimate based on very thin analysis and calling it a "fact" ....again. Then he'll say that the "guess" was put in the Wall Street Journal so it's therefore an immutable fact without dissension. Wild-ass guesses by Democrats don't count as "facts". Lets review some of the more bold wild-ass guesses by Democrats: "Pass the Stimulus and unemployment won't go over 8%"...then there's "Pass this healthcare bill and you can keep your current plan if you want and costs won't go up."

Here you go again, ascribing me positions I don't have.

I never said it was fact.

I never read the study.

I never took a position on it.

So stop lying and assigning me a position, moron.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

For the record, this is waht I said the first time, so everyone can understand what length you guys are willing to go to to create lies out of whole cloth...



So, I never even said that which you claim was a lie, you just went on the attack to get onto the record that Obama said 17% of our transportation costs, when everyone can clearly and plainly see that I was using sarcasm to make a point about general presidential policy and efforts like Solyndra, Fiskar, batteries and the Volt...

I see, it wasn't a "lie", it was "sarcasm"..

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Sounds like Merc is taking a projection or estimate based on very thin analysis and calling it a "fact" ....again. Then he'll say that the "guess" was put in the Wall Street Journal so it's therefore an immutable fact without dissension. Wild-ass guesses by Democrats don't count as "facts". Lets review some of the more bold wild-ass guesses by Democrats: "Pass the Stimulus and unemployment won't go over 8%"...then there's "Pass this healthcare bill and you can keep your current plan if you want and costs won't go up."

Yes. It's a FACT that algae will reduce our transportation costs 17%.

They have a model for that too...

Lets build pools!

Thousands...

 

[RobDownSouth]

For the record, this is waht I said the first time, so everyone can understand what length you guys are willing to go to to create lies out of whole cloth...



So, I never even said that which you claim was a lie, you just went on the attack to get onto the record that Obama said 17% of our transportation costs, when everyone can clearly and plainly see that I was using sarcasm to make a point about general presidential policy and efforts like Solyndra, Fiskar, batteries and the Volt...

.....Alinsky! Cloward Piven! TELEPROMPTERS!

AJ, you've lost this battle. Give it up.

As your beloved Sensei K used to say,

"Shit your pants and run away! Smear again some other day! HAI!"

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I see, it wasn't a "lie", it was "sarcasm"..

That's right because I did not accuse him of anything other than what he did -promote the idea that algae was a solution to our energy problems just as tunes-ups and air pressure would...


All you have to do is read and stop paying attention to the "serious charges."

I blasted the Republicans too!

I bitched about Bush for six years, and through all that time the Republicans on this board never trashed me the way the Democrats do now that "their guy" is "in charge."

They were angry when Bush was President, but they seem even more angry now that Obama is President.

Maybe it's just disappointment.

Maybe, it's who they really are and have been all along.
A_J, the Wiser