What happened to all of the doom and gloom economic threads?

[RobDownSouth]

Speaking of valid answers, AJ, what's today's spin on your fictional 401k account?

Are you invested in the stock market, or have you pulled all of your money out of the stock market today?

Since your story changes on a day-to-day basis, I want to make sure I'm keeping current.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Your references had nothing to do with the point being made (you often have comprehension problems) and so the references were immaterial...they were not any kind of a factor in the discussions, objective or not.

lol...I can hear your points clearly "Obama's plans would have worked great if it hadn't been for the evil conservatives on the lit boards talking his plans down"...and I'm sure you have lots of "independent research" that supports that contention, maybe even from the Wall Street Journal.

You didn't win anything, you can't seem to tie together facts and points into a coherent and clear argument. I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn that you were a paid Obama shill who promises to post on many different boards to support his wacky plans and to belittle his opposition in an effort to rally the impressionable youth vote.

No, he really believes. Truly. His economic paradigm is straight out of 1880 and this time, this time, because we are so evolved (as proved by our technology), it is going to work. His contradictory positions are clear to see to everyone but he and his fellow alley residents...

A_J's corollary #3, “The New Age Liberal maintains contradictory positions comfortably compartmentalized. (This is because the New Age Liberal is a creature that believes in consensus as a short-cut to an examination of the facts and a reasoned judgment about said facts. Corollary #2.)”

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I have never heard lay off used as anything but a synonym for fired, you're being let go, we're moving in another direction, we wish you well in all your future endeavors, or terminated.

Perhaps at one time it was a common term for we're not going to pay you for a month but don't worry assuming that you don't find a better job within that time frame we'll bring you back on. It sure as hell isn't a common term today.

I grew up in a Union Household, all my uncles on my maternal side were Union men and a layoff was what happened every single summer when the plant retooled. They were a lot like teachers in that regard.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I've laid off many people over the years and called them back. It's really quite common. Most union contracts spell out the difference. A layoff does not sever the employees relationship with the company under most labor situations. See below:

http://www.ehow.com/facts_5780639_employee-termination-vs_-layoff.html

Correct.

I have been a union steward for those whom have forgotten.

 

[RobDownSouth]

You just cannot help yourself when it comes to gay slurs, racial slurs, under-age sex slurs and the mining of personal information...


Typical Democratic behavior.

And we slink like alley cats,
Tearing down what we attack,
To prove that we are one...

*chuckle*
I love the situational outrage from the "nigger nigger nigger" crew when I throw their own racial taunts back at them.

You see, when *I* do it, that's....That's....DIFFERENT!

So take that finely honed situational outrage
Shine it up reeeeeeal good
Turn it sideways
And stick it up your half-breed ass, Chief!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Speaking of valid answers, AJ, what's today's spin on your fictional 401k account?

Are you invested in the stock market, or have you pulled all of your money out of the stock market today?

Since your story changes on a day-to-day basis, I want to make sure I'm keeping current.

Then go back to 2000 and actually follow the story instead of spouting random facts...

Magic H8 Ball™ sez No Chance of That!.

*yawn*

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

*chuckle*
I love the situational outrage from the "nigger nigger nigger" crew when I throw their own racial taunts back at them.

You see, when *I* do it, that's....That's....DIFFERENT!

So take that finely honed situational outrage
Shine it up reeeeeeal good
Turn it sideways
And stick it up your half-breed ass, Chief!

Typical White Democrat

"I can slur all I want cause I don't hate niggers and breeds like you do..."

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Speaking of valid answers when are a single one of you clowns going to tell us how you can tax an evil corporation and at the same time not tax its customers?



You can't. We therefore have to assume that you lack the brain power.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Typical White Democrat

"I can slur all I want cause I don't hate niggers and breeds like you do..."

Speakin' of "typical white democrats"....

I call him a nigger all the time. It's funny to watch him turn purple and start spitting...

What an example you are setting for your "children".

 

[RobDownSouth]

Speaking of valid answers when are a single one of you clowns going to tell us how you can tax an evil corporation and at the same time not tax its customers?



You can't. We therefore have to assume that you lack the brain power.

Why should we answer your questions when you won't answer ours?

WHAR is your 401k portfolio invested, AJ? WHAR?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Why should we answer your questions when you won't answer ours?

WHAR is your 401k portfolio invested, AJ? WHAR?

In many different vehicles.

You act like something I did a DECADE ago is somehow a lie.

You act also like I put all my money into gold.

You do that because you have nothing else.

You just lie. Merc does too.

He admits it...

He's more of a man in that regard that you will ever be. Every person that ever joined your magic list of 100 now probably feels like they either need a shower, or that you hosed them and took advantage of them, but that's just what you do, for you are a tiny, vindictive little man...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Speaking of valid answers when are a single one of you clowns going to tell us how you can tax an evil corporation and at the same time not tax its customers?



You can't. We therefore have to assume that you lack the brain power.

You will not answer this question any more than merc will because you simply aren't smart enough.

 

[Sean]

You will not answer this question any more than merc will because you simply aren't smart enough.

Tax capital gains as normal income. Done.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Calling other people liars to deflect from your own fabrications isn't workin' out too well for ya, is it chief?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

When I made that statement, it was true.

You think I made it last year or something.

It was back in 1999...

Moron, but that's all you got which is why so many people simply ignore you.

Have fun with the rest of the chowder heads. WHen you attempt to answer the question as many times as I have answered yours, then I might pay some attention to you again.

(At this point Throbs' mind it telling his moving lips, WE WON!!! Now, for the last word! Now we can get real nasty my precious... PRECIOUS!!!)

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Tax capital gains as normal income. Done.

That's a double tax, but that does not answer the question, how does that cost not get passed on to the consumer?

How is that tax not MORE destructive than even a 90% progressive income tax?

It is a direct assault on Capital investment.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

March 3, 2012
When Economists Fail, or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Stimulus
By William Sullivan

Don't worry, America -- Europe and the global economy will be just fine within a few years.

This was the final message heard by a group of over three hundred financial professionals, delivered in a presentation by a chief economist of a very large and respected firm that shall go nameless here.

But suffice it to say that given the daunting challenges facing Europe and the dire reality its nations are enduring, I was among many in the audience puzzled by the prediction.

Now, it is worth mentioning that this bit of confusing optimism was purposefully the last item discussed, intended to leave the listeners with pleasant anticipation about the economic year 2012 -- "The Year of Positive Surprises," as the presentation was titled. But it was nowhere near the beginning of the confusion.

The production was riddled with curiosities, particularly in regard to inflation that could potentially result from past stimulus. The speaker's contention, presumably shared among many economist colleagues, is that inflation should not be a primary concern for Americans. In the interest of time (and, undoubtedly, convenience), questions were not taken, though the speaker did feel obliged to address the one most likely on everyone's mind, and that is how the inflation outlook could be so positive given the rapid increases in the price of gasoline and food we've seen recently. These things are not true inflationary indicators, it was explained -- increases in food prices can be explained largely by unusual weather patterns, and as for fuel prices, the speaker offered the Jay Carney obfuscation, citing "a variety of factors on the global price of oil" -- issues that are just too complex and chaotic to be properly accounted for in terms of economic policy.

This may sound all well and good, and it makes for a much better economic outlook on paper, but it fails to explain how this low inflation will be recognized by Americans visiting the pumps and grocers on Main Street, or how intricacies in oil pricing should be excluded from more practical measures of inflation in our consumer-driven market, which are often based on the Consumer Price Index that is directly impacted by -- you guessed it -- this "variety of factors" that influence supply and demand.

I suppose it was at this point, with the speaker's proud admission to spurning automobiles and embracing public transit to avoid feeling the sting of gasoline price spikes, that the last semblance of nonpartisanship left the stage. But the speaker's credibility still had fathoms to go before hitting rock-bottom, which was handily reached by touting subsidized industry here and green energy reform there, culminating in the outrageous reasoning behind the prediction of the forthcoming and almost immediate European recovery.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012...arned_to_stop_worrying_and_love_stimulus.html

 

[RobDownSouth]

When I made that statement, it was true.

You think I made it last year or something.

It was back in 1999...

Moron, but that's all you got which is why so many people simply ignore you.

Have fun with the rest of the chowder heads. WHen you attempt to answer the question as many times as I have answered yours, then I might pay some attention to you again.

(At this point Throbs' mind it telling his moving lips, WE WON!!! Now, for the last word! Now we can get real nasty my precious... PRECIOUS!!!)

Speakin' of "real nasty", AJ....why is it DIFFERENT when YOU use racial taunts? Hmmmm?

I call him a nigger all the time. It's funny to watch him turn purple and start spitting...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

It took you 45 minutes to find that very old post and take it out of context.

Your slurs only take a couple of posts to occur,



... on a daily basis.



h8r

 

[RobDownSouth]

It took you 45 minutes to find that very old post and take it out of context.
Your slurs only take a couple of posts to occur,
... on a daily basis.
h8r

Forty five minutes? hardly. I have that post bookmarked to trot out every time you get on your situational outrage high horse and condemn others for behavior that you yourself indulge in....coz it's....it's...IT'S DIFFERENT when you do it.

 

[mercury14]

No, you're so full of hate and vitriol that you cannot even enter into a discussion.

Algae could supply 17% of our needs.

Obama didn't say that, liar.

"If we can figure out how to make energy out of that, we'll be doing alright. Believe it or not, we could replace up to 17 percent of the oil we import for transportation with this fuel that we can grow right here in America."

"17% of the imports we use for transportation" is nothing like 17% of our needs. You lied plain and simple. Stop lying IMO.

Obama’s remarks rest on a 2011 study by the Energy Department’s Pacific Northwest National Laboratory, which found that 17 percent of U.S. oil imports could be displaced by domestic biofuels from algae.

“Believe it or not, we could replace up to 17 percent of the oil we import for transportation with this fuel that we can grow right here in the United States,” Obama said. “And that means greater energy security. That means lower costs. It means more jobs. It means a stronger economy.”

Obama used the study’s more conservative number. The authors found that algae has the potential to replace up to 48 percent of fuel imports for transporation—but that level of production would require vast amounts of fresh water and land: 5.5 percent of the land area in the conterminous United States and nearly three times the water currently used for irrigated agriculture.

The authors consider 17 percent a viable number based on optimal land and water and geographic placement of algae farms.

Read more in that liberal rag, Forbes Magazine: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2012/02/26/obamas-favorite-algae-company/2/

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

You're the self-confessed liar, you lied to eyer...

It's not a lie.

You demanded I read the article.

I took the quote FROM the article...

It cannot, nor will it EVER supply 17% of anything, did we not learn anything from ethanol?



Now, answer the question.

How do I tax a business and not the consumer (or the economy)?

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=800808

 

[mercury14]

It's not a lie.

You demanded I read the article.

I took the quote FROM the article...

It cannot, nor will it EVER supply 17% of anything, did we not learn anything from ethanol?

Yeah I just proved you lied beyond a shadow of a doubt actually. And you did not take the quote from Obama. You lied again. And you're lying yet again right now.

"17 percent of our needs" is massively different than "17 percent of the oil we import for transportation". The only way you can insist it's the same thing is by lying.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Yeah I just proved you lied beyond a shadow of a doubt actually. And you did not take the quote from Obama. You lied again. And you're lying yet again right now.

"17 percent of our needs" is massively different than "17 percent of the oil we import for transportation". The only way you can insist it's the same thing is by lying.

That quote is from the fucking speech you linked to and demanded I fucking read.


Maybe you need to go back and review the fucking speech.


This is the one thing that stuck out from all the "silver bullet" platitudes...


Are you that pathologically dedicated to your ideology that now I'm a liar for quoting from your own fucking source???

 

[mercury14]

If you want to know the amazing promise of algae biofuel research all you have to do is ask the Republican House leadership. They regularly talk about how great it is and ask for federal grant money, earmarks, and *coughs* stimulus money to fund such wonderful stuff.

Or at least they did until they got the talking point memo that told them that they need to flip-flop on algae.

Conservative hero Darrell Issa? Here's his position statement saying that the development of algae biofuels is critical to decreasing America's dependence on foreign oil while creating meaningful sources of green jobs. Oh and algae jobs will serve as a "force multiplier" for new economic development and job creation throughout the entire nation. Also signed onto that statement are a stack of other Republicans.