What happened to all of the doom and gloom economic threads?

[NeverEndingMe]

I'm sorry, but if tax hikes make an economy more sound, then President Obama was lying when he said they would hurt the economy even as he extended them.

We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem and a leader who is leading from behind touting his tax cuts to grow the economy and then vilifying and demonizing those who actually used them and promising to loot them...

Human Action
Praxeology
Mises.org

ouch, Merc is going to run into his cave on his quest for bin laden

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

ouch, Merc is going to run into his cave on his quest for bin laden

I'm betting on the ritual display of more unassailable victims...

 

[mercury14]

I'm sorry, but if tax hikes make an economy more sound, then President Obama was lying when he said they would hurt the economy even as he extended them.

We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem and a leader who is leading from behind touting his tax cuts to grow the economy and then vilifying and demonizing those who actually used them and promising to loot them...

Human Action
Praxeology
Mises.org

No we have both. The commission even says so as well.

Americans don't want their government services cut. They're just not going to vote to take the axe to Medicare. Defense isn't going anywhere. And neither is social security. So America needs to have the revenue to pay for the things its citizens (of both parties) demand. Therefore it's a revenue problem.

Every time I hear a politician demonizing "spending" it makes me want to puke. Spending on what? Teachers? Tanks? Health care for our 90 year olds? It's fucking dumb as hell to demonize generic non-specific spending without talking about what the spending actually is.

 

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[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

The Greek Left doesn't want to have their services cut either...




It's not what the moochers want, it's what the producers need.

So, your parents are going on the dog food diet to pay for pills?

 

[mercury14]

I'm sorry, but if tax hikes make an economy more sound, then President Obama was lying when he said they would hurt the economy even as he extended them.

We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem and a leader who is leading from behind touting his tax cuts to grow the economy and then vilifying and demonizing those who actually used them and promising to loot them...

Human Action
Praxeology
Mises.org

It's not about tax hikes or cuts. It's about setting an appropriate tax rate as part of a larger budget picture. And yes, tax hikes can potentially make an economy more sound. When America says it wants Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and national defense, you can either pay for it with tax money or borrow-n-spend.

Which method do you see as more sound over the long run?




By the way, I love how you both refused to take responsibility for your 100% fact-free claim that Obama ignored the nonpartisan debt commission.

 

[busybody..]

No we have both. The commission even says so as well.

Americans don't want their government services cut. They're just not going to vote to take the axe to Medicare. Defense isn't going anywhere. And neither is social security. So America needs to have the revenue to pay for the things its citizens (of both parties) demand. Therefore it's a revenue problem.

Every time I hear a politician demonizing "spending" it makes me want to puke. Spending on what? Teachers? Tanks? Health care for my 90 year olds? It's fucking dumb as hell to demonize generic non-specific spending without talking about what the spending actually is.

Oh, well IF THE COMMISSION SAYS SO

IT MUST BE SO!


Fuck off FREAK

WALK INTO A LAND MINE!

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

It's hard to reason with people who do not understand, or accept the legacy of our forefathers. We are here today because we stand on the shoulders of giants. There are midgets standing on those shoulders as well, midgets who know their effeminate shoulders won't support another generation, and simply don't care.

And yet the effort must be made, for I once thought exactly like Merc, but it was in the debate that I found myself unable to back my platitudes and collective truisms, especially railing against the rich, man I loved to rail against the rich, and Republicans, and that idiot actor Reagan who wasn't even as smart as his co-star Bonzo...



But I can see why Ishmael is so blunt with him, trust me on this one.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

It's not about tax hikes or cuts. It's about setting an appropriate tax rate as part of a larger budget picture. And yes, tax hikes can potentially make an economy more sound. When America says it wants Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and national defense, you can either pay for it with tax money or borrow-n-spend.

Which method do you see as more sound over the long run?

By the way, I love how you both refused to take responsibility for your 100% fact-free claim that Obama ignored the nonpartisan debt commission.

Show us the Obama plan. Link to it...

In the last one, as testified to by Turbo-Tax-Cheat TIMMAH! before Congress, the debt spiral was unsustainable...

It's about spending and it's about the Washington mentality that being elected means you have to do something and that something is measured in spending and growing government services without end, Amen, AMEN!

 

[busybody..]

RECOVERY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


U.S. first-time jobless claims dip to 428,000, off 1,000 last week

 

[NeverEndingMe]

And yet the effort must be made, for I once thought exactly like Merc, but it was in the debate that I found myself unable to back my platitudes and collective truisms, especially railing against the rich, man I loved to rail against the rich, and Republicans, and that idiot actor Reagan who wasn't even as smart as his co-star Bonzo...



But I can see why Ishmael is so blunt with him, trust me on this one.

if Reagan was or wasn't doesn't matter. he did have the correct people around him. we went from super high inflation and interest rates to manageable ones.

and I must rally around the birth of the technology movement

 

[mercury14]

And yet the effort must be made, for I once thought exactly like Merc, but it was in the debate that I found myself unable to back my platitudes and collective truisms, especially railing against the rich, man I loved to rail against the rich, and Republicans, and that idiot actor Reagan who wasn't even as smart as his co-star Bonzo...



But I can see why Ishmael is so blunt with him, trust me on this one.

Keep on thinking that Americans don't want spending. They do. The fact is Americans (including you) want all kinds of government services. You just don't want to pay for them.

How come every time some sort of nonpartisan report, commission, ets enters into the discussion you all go running like a bunch of roaches when the light flips on? How come nothing objective appeals to you?

 

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[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

So, it's true, since you did not rebut it, that you plan to let your parents eat dog food...




Now, I am going to leave and go paint my porch, so don't start acting like I fled in terror because you WON!

 

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[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Keep on thinking that Americans don't want spending. They do. The fact is Americans (including you) want all kinds of government services. You just don't want to pay for them.

How come every time some sort of nonpartisan report, commission, ets enters into the discussion you all go running like a bunch of roaches when the light flips on? How come nothing objective appeals to you?

Please list the services that I want but refuse to pay for.

Your definition of nonpartisan is what you agree with or what you think says what you want it to say...

 

[NeverEndingMe]

the big picture issue is obama spending!

if we give obama tax hikes, what will he spend that money on?

obama word, well you can't trust what he says. so until he makes cuts, and cuts the size of government, works on making government more accountable with spending (i.e. no more $500 hammers) I am not fore more taxes.

obama will just waste the money.

we don't need any more entitlements, america needs jobs

just address this one issue, why isn't corporate america spending the trillion + dollars they are sitting on?

I say, they fear obama

It's not about tax hikes or cuts. It's about setting an appropriate tax rate as part of a larger budget picture. And yes, tax hikes can potentially make an economy more sound. When America says it wants Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and national defense, you can either pay for it with tax money or borrow-n-spend.

Which method do you see as more sound over the long run?




By the way, I love how you both refused to take responsibility for your 100% fact-free claim that Obama ignored the nonpartisan debt commission.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Please list the services that I want but refuse to pay for.

Your definition of nonpartisan is what you agree with or what you think says what you want it to say...

Merc's spin tactic. also love how they say the "Rich" consume more entitlements than the poor.

I don't understand that one

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Like I've said all along, it's about producers of wealth and consumers of wealth, and who's going to live better and be rewarded more for their labor. When government at all levels takes more than half of what you produce,, the answer is pretty clear, and soon there will be hell to pay.

And our Left will riot too..

Now those guys [French protestors over the retirement age of 62] know how to throw down.

Riots, protests, shutting down infrastructures with strikes.

We should have taken a page out of their book during the health care reform battle...

 

[NeverEndingMe]

They loved it so much they booted 60 of the biggest spenders the hell out of Congress in the last election.

hopefully more people have woken up to the nightmare, called OBAMA

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Keep on thinking that Americans don't want spending. They do. The fact is Americans (including you) want all kinds of government services. You just don't want to pay for them.

How come every time some sort of nonpartisan report, commission, ets enters into the discussion you all go running like a bunch of roaches when the light flips on? How come nothing objective appeals to you?

with your head up your ass that far, can you see Russia?

 

[mercury14]

Show us the Obama plan. Link to it...

The plan he'd currently negotiating with the Republicans? Hasn't been released yet. But it includes cuts and tax hikes not by raising rates but by closing loopholes and ending breaks for profitable industries (at least that's what's being claimed). Certainly no rate increase is being haggled over at this time, but the sticking point is that - per the nonpartisan debt commission - the Dems want more revenue to pay for Americans demanding more expensive stuff.


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t's about spending and it's about the Washington mentality that being elected means you have to do something and that something is measured in spending and growing government services without end, Amen, AMEN!

Spending on what? You look like an idiot when you refuse to define what "spending" actually means. Just spin and hollow rhetoric. Everyone is against "spending". Until you have to talk about what's being bought.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

obama has not talked about how much he wants to jack the debt celing up yet....will this be another obama turd, "We don't know what this bill is till we pass it"

The plan he'd currently negotiating with the Republicans? Hasn't been released yet. But it includes cuts and tax hikes not by raising rates but by closing loopholes and ending breaks for profitable industries (at least that's what's being claimed). Certainly no rate increase is being haggled over at this time, but the sticking point is that - per the nonpartisan debt commission - the Dems want more revenue to pay for Americans demanding more expensive stuff.


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Spending on what? You look like an idiot when you refuse to define what "spending" actually means. Just spin and hollow rhetoric. Everyone is against "spending". Until you have to talk about what's being bought.

 

[mercury14]

And our Left will riot too..

Really? The 10th most conservative district in America just elected a Democrat after the Republican candidate said he was going to cut Medicare. Sorry, the right dearly loves it's "spending" too.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

What the GOP doesnt get is this: America likes Medicare; what it doesnt like are pols who steal the Medicare taxes, wont repay the money, then wanna cheat them outta the services they paid for.

So cutting Medicare benefits is perilous. The GOP has gotta find the money elsewhere.