What happened to all of the doom and gloom economic threads?

[NeverEndingMe]

Actually your own non-Keynsian source you linked the other day proved it (oops, you don't read your own links!). After your self ass-kicking you vanished from the discussion.

Why is that?

if you really are in the military or a sub contractor, please film you talking to a combat group about your political views and share with them your anti American rhetoric and how you are a true believer in communism. how you want to take the American dream away and burn the constitution by empowering obama federal government to epic size and power, how obama must be the supreme collective master and states powers revoked

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

the positive side with Reagan is the middle class lift. ending inflation. under obama he is creating more inflation and about to kill the credit market.

next, Reagan did pour billions into defense but this spending created the tech boom that gave America the foundation for all our little fun toys

The lesson of Reagan is that it's not just the money, it's not just the cuts, but it's making people hopeful about the future.

Obama won talking about hope, but as soon as he was elected he began putting America in her place and talking about our best days being behind us and thus needing transformational change to deal with our incremental decay in the fairest manner possible, with Reagan our best days were always ahead of us.

Human Action 101

 

[NeverEndingMe]

didn't obama hire a commission to study the debt, and didn't obama ignore their findings and plan?

Back to the emotional pleas of the "unassailable victim" in order to prove anyone who disagrees is mean-spirited, greedy, hateful and proof that we need to destroy the very vehicle which can provide the most for those in need, Capitalism, the reason that our desperate poor have TVs and cars instead of living in a shanty...

The attempt here is to override reason with emotion, but the problem for the Party is that that message only resounds with the people who are going to vote for you no matter what, because it's how they already think.

To those who are being vilified for taking tax breaks designed to improve the economy it's a steel gauntlet across the face.

Obama is becoming transparent in his desperation, but it seems he has many foot-soldiers ready to unfurl the banner of desperation.

Good luck with that tactic.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

didn't obama hire a commission to study the debt, and didn't obama ignore their findings and plan?

Nice rhetorical there sister...

 

[NeverEndingMe]

The lesson of Reagan is that it's not just the money, it's not just the cuts, but it's making people hopeful about the future.

Obama won talking about hope, but as soon as he was elected he began putting America in her place and talking about our best days being behind us and thus needing transformational change to deal with our incremental decay in the fairest manner possible, with Reagan our best days were always ahead of us.

Human Action 101

I agree with the hope, Reagan did it. and I'm pretty sure the only people who feel hope under obama are government workers (and those retired) and union workers. maybe some college kids.

is that enough this time around for obama? what did obama win by last time? how much support has obama lost due to, not holding up his word?

how many American's realize that the spending by obama was wrong? how many American's realize how much trouble we are in by this massive debt?

obama said that he owns the economy.
obama said that if the economy doesn't improve that he will be a 1 term president. will he hold true to his word?

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Nice rhetorical there sister...

I'm a flaming taco today! okay that needs work too

 

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[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Must be the 28th day, what with an inflamed taco!

Oy! Vey!








PS Obama did not say he owned the economy...

"We own the economy. We own the beginning of the turnaround and we want to make sure that we continue that pace of recovery, not go back to the policies of the past under the Bush administration that put us in the ditch in the first place."
Debbie Wasserman Schultz

He did say this:

"As I said, we will be out of Afghanistan by the end of this year."
Barack Hussein Obama, January, 2011

 

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[mercury14]

That is not the number of success, but the number of, "at least we got this."

Remember too, our very, very smart vice-President, probably the second-most intelligent man in Washington DC (unless O'Bama's on another vacation) said that because of this stimulus, we would be adding half a million jobs a month beginning this time last year, yet we do not have six million new jobs, therefore, you are confusing an effect with a success.

Success would be nearing 7% unemployment the way Reagan did with his plan.

Stop polluting the argument. Your very own source called the stimulus a success. So did all four of mine. All were independent, non-partisan sources. The only "sources" that say otherwise are those who use ideology instead of objective thought. All this is already established.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

yes I know who said it, I'm just flaming up Merc and theTrove

now, didn't obama say that if the economy didn't improve he would be a 1 term president? if so, I'm sure obama will use the Clinton spin of "it" and "is" is to side step this

Oy! Vey!








PS Obama did not say he owned the economy...

"We own the economy. We own the beginning of the turnaround and we want to make sure that we continue that pace of recovery, not go back to the policies of the past under the Bush administration that put us in the ditch in the first place."
Debbie Wasserman Schultz

He did say this:

"As I said, we will be out of Afghanistan by the end of this year."
Barack Hussein Obama, January, 2011

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

See if this reminds you of anybody presently "debating" the point...

Any parent who has ever argued with his teen offspring bursting into intellectual puberty and proudly brandishing his brand new radicalism vividly remembers these telltale signs of overweening immaturity: the know-it-all arrogance, the boundless self-referential conceit, the grandiosity of pronouncements, the blanket rejection of the ugly present in favor of an unknown -- but no doubt glorious -- future, the powerful destructive impulses, the vagueness as to what's to be done once the destruction is complete. All of these bespeak a teenager blaming his pimples on the unjust world and vowing cosmic vengeance.

But they also fit to a tee a leftist intellectual raging at the "system" whose true sin consists of not recognizing the critic's superiority and refusing to hand him the reins of power. For the leftist idea is profoundly infantile. I have a formidable authority to support my contention: none other than V.I. Lenin who castigated his opponents on the left in a 1920 book called "Left-Wing Communism": an Infantile Disorder. A ruthless pragmatist who candidly acknowledged that power is the overriding issue of the revolution, the Bolshevik leader attacked proponents of "pure" Marxism -- what would later be called "left communism."

The self-styled "revolutionaries" are predominantly liberal arts graduates and radical lawyers endowed with the gift of gab and a large stock of "progressive" catchphrases that roll off their tongues with effortless ease, like water off a duck's back. As the years fly by, the revolutionaries may age physically; but spiritually and emotionally they stay stuck in a time warp. These perpetual adolescents form a herd of independent minds (in Harold Rosenberg's felicitous bon mot), a mutual admiration society where they spend their time endlessly marveling at their own vast erudition, lofty sentiments, and noble intentions. They talk and talk and talk...and then talk some more. For it is the only thing they are able and willing to do. But it would be a mistake to think that they view their bull sessions as a sort of parlor game. They are dead serious.

It takes a truly diabolical personality to stand aloof of mankind, watching in grim amusement as it plays out the drama of its tragic destiny, and manipulating human passions like a puppeteer for the lonely joy of relishing one's superiority. Saul Alinsky, who dedicated his Rules for Radicals to Satan, may have been that kind of man. But it's too much to expect the same level of demonic self-consciousness from a garden-variety radical. He is fully committed to his revolutionary ideas, he never tires of boasting of the steep ramparts he will scale and the Herculean feats he will perform when power is finally his. But when an opportunity does present itself, he just doesn't know what to do with it. Because he is a talker, not a doer; a bungler, not an achiever. He can only destroy; building is beyond his ken.

I believe that Obama and his cohorts grabbed the levers of power fully intending to redo America in accordance with the socialist blueprint and firmly believing that their economic plans would indeed bring prosperity as well as social justice. Indeed, why wouldn't they be certain of success? After all, weren't they the most educated, the smartest, and the noblest of human beings? Haven't they read and assimilated the most abstruse works of the prophets of progress? That's why they pushed the stimulus package, which they confidently expected to revive the moribund economy while bringing immediate gratification to themselves and their allies.

...

So confident were they that when the stimulus failed to revive the economy, they refused to believe the bad news. To own up to their defeat would have been tantamount to a betrayal of their cherished creed and, worse still, an acknowledgement that their adversaries, those benighted "knuckle-draggers," were right -- an intolerable affront to their self-esteem. And so, even in the teeth of a looming electoral disaster, they continue talking of more of the same: more Keynesian stimulus, more money-printing, more "greening" of the economy, more taxes. In short, they are prepared to double down on the failed plan which works like a charm in a progressive's dream, but never in the real world.

They have no idea how the economy actually works. They truly believe that government spending is a route to prosperity, that heavily subsidized "green energy" is efficient, that unemployment benefits boost economic growth. But for all the absurdity of their ideas, they don't feign ignorance -- they are genuine economic innocents. And when President Obama blames persistent unemployment on ATMs and airport kiosks, I have little doubt that he is blithely sincere in his Luddite, pre-Marxist worldview.

The Russian philosopher Georgy Fedotov described the leftist intelligentsia as "a special group of people notable for the idealism of their commitments and the vacuity of their ideas."

Victor Volsky
The American Thinker

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Stop polluting the argument. Your very own source called the stimulus a success. So did all four of mine. All were independent, non-partisan sources. The only "sources" that say otherwise are those who use ideology instead of objective thought. All this is already established.

weak! the success was suppose to be unemployment way under 7% by now. by what obama sold to the American population, the obama spending whale was a failure

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Stop polluting the argument. Your very own source called the stimulus a success. So did all four of mine. All were independent, non-partisan sources. The only "sources" that say otherwise are those who use ideology instead of objective thought. All this is already established.

Again, you are going out of context and pointing to the cherry and ignoring the tree.

All "benefits" of the stimulus, calling in the glazier, have disappeared.

The only success is the fixed window, not the economy, say, the suit-maker...

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Must be the 28th day, what with an inflamed taco!

I really should put Merc - the anti American wanna be communist on iggy

if he spat half the things he says here, to the military group he is supporting (according to Mer's fantasy) - I'm sure they should hang his sorry ass, and let the crows eat his eyes and lack of brain matter

obama's speak, I will say it. was childish and he sounded like a spoiled baby

 

[mercury14]

Back to the emotional pleas of the "unassailable victim" in order to prove anyone who disagrees is mean-spirited, greedy, hateful and proof that we need to destroy the very vehicle which can provide the most for those in need, Capitalism, the reason that our desperate poor have TVs and cars instead of living in a shanty...

The attempt here is to override reason with emotion, but the problem for the Party is that that message only resounds with the people who are going to vote for you no matter what, because it's how they already think.

To those who are being vilified for taking tax breaks designed to improve the economy it's a steel gauntlet across the face.

Obama is becoming transparent in his desperation, but it seems he has many foot-soldiers ready to unfurl the banner of desperation.

Good luck with that tactic.

Nothing emotional about it at all. We have a huge and growing elderly class. Watching legions of them fall into abject poverty and onto other welfare, and get "free" uninsured knee-jerk medical care would be an economic catastrophe for us all.

Btw, what did you find emotional about me mentioning that the military needs to exist?

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

weak! the success was suppose to be unemployment way under 7% by now. by what obama sold to the American population, the obama spending whale was a failure

[voice=merc][tone=shaking voice of rage] Well a tiny, limited, and temporary success is A SUCCESS!

Unemplyment without that stimulus would have been 12% and the same people who proved it would not go above 8% PROVED THAT TOO![/tone][/voice]

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

FRISCO is right.

Obama aint gonna fix America, every American fixes their own piece of America, so its important to be upbeat and optimistic about expected results. Obama's task is to model for us what we should be doing, and to make it clear to all what results we oughta expect in time.

My closest friend is in the hospital to remove a cancer tumor. My task isnt to fall apart and depress her, my task is to remind her that most people survive cancer in our time, and that the odds are in her favor.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Nothing emotional about it at all. We have a huge and growing elderly class. Watching legions of them fall into abject poverty and onto other welfare, and get "free" uninsured knee-jerk medical care would be an economic catastrophe for us all.

Btw, what did you find emotional about me mentioning that the military needs to exist?

Who's watching them fall into abject poverty and onto other welfare?

Their children? YOU? You letting your parents eat dog food?

Which is the richest demographic in America?

 

[mercury14]

Nice rhetorical there sister...

No he didn't ignore the nonpartisan debt commission's plan. Here's what it was:


1) Budget cuts starting in 2012. We're on track for that.

2) A wide range of tax hikes. Yes the Bush tax cuts will have to expire. The Dems know it. Republicans know it too, but they're going to try to ignore the commission's recommendation anyway.



http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fede...icare-social-security-raise/story?id=11252928

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

FRISCO is right.

Obama aint gonna fix America, every American fixes their own piece of America, so its important to be upbeat and optimistic about expected results. Obama's task is to model for us what we should be doing, and to make it clear to all what results we oughta expect in time.

My closest friend is in the hospital to remove a cancer tumor. My task isnt to fall apart and depress her, my task is to remind her that most people survive cancer in our time, and that the odds are in her favor.

Thank you.

Merc is Wright!




Obama's chickens, are coming home, to, ROOST!

 

[NeverEndingMe]

[voice=merc][tone=shaking voice of rage] Well a tiny, limited, and temporary success is A SUCCESS!

Unemplyment without that stimulus would have been 12% and the same people who proved it would not go above 8% PROVED THAT TOO![/tone][/voice]

I guess Merc is desperately trying to grip something (I'm sure his wife has the same issue at night. she says did you start, he says I just finished)

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Who's watching them fall into abject poverty and onto other welfare?

Their children? YOU? You letting your parents eat dog food?

Which is the richest demographic in America?

I feel this is obama's plan. to wipe out the middle class and make America into a two class country. the ones working for the regime and the ones on welfare

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

No he didn't ignore the nonpartisan debt commission's plan. Here's what it was:


1) Budget cuts starting in 2012. We're on track for that.

2) A wide range of tax hikes. Yes the Bush tax cuts will have to expire. The Dems know it. Republicans know it too, but they're going to try to ignore the commission's recommendation anyway.



http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fede...icare-social-security-raise/story?id=11252928

I'm sorry, but if tax hikes make an economy more sound, then President Obama was lying when he said they would hurt the economy even as he extended them.

We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem and a leader who is leading from behind touting his tax cuts to grow the economy and then vilifying and demonizing those who actually used them and promising to loot them...

Human Action
Praxeology
Mises.org

 

[NeverEndingMe]

FRISCO is right.

Obama aint gonna fix America, every American fixes their own piece of America, so its important to be upbeat and optimistic about expected results. Obama's task is to model for us what we should be doing, and to make it clear to all what results we oughta expect in time.

My closest friend is in the hospital to remove a cancer tumor. My task isnt to fall apart and depress her, my task is to remind her that most people survive cancer in our time, and that the odds are in her favor.

so true!

the number one issue is that we need small business. obama has not wanted to help this group and has even tried to demonize small business owners.

at least in countries like Japan, the government tries to help business. unlike obama which wants to destroy business

(maybe I need decaff coffee?)