What happened after Casablanca?

[Trionyx]

I’m of the opinion that we should frequently leave well enough alone. What is discussed here sounds similar to comments on my stories asking for another chapter or asking what happened next. Many times the best stories end without a neat, tidy or happy ending (though I don’t mean to imply that my stories are in the ’best’ category.)

 

[SimonDoom]

But like the Casablanca sequel I mentioned, there are heaps of series and movies out there that could have gone in other directions. Put it this way, at one point Rick says to Ilsa, "We'll always have Paris." The movie doesn't go into what they did in Paris. Hints only, of course. There could be a story or two there?

I think it's strongly hinted at that "Paris" is Rick and Ilsa's love child (hint: "We'll always have Paris.") Rick keeps her hidden away in a backroom of the bar. Ilsa comes looking for her, but Rick persuades her she's not there, and Ilsa leaves with Lazlo. Lazlo dies in the war, Ilsa returns and reunites with Rick and Paris, and they end up moving to Australia. Paris inherits Ilsa's strangely out of focus but undeniably pretty face.

 

[RagnarHairyBreeches]

That's a perspective I never considered.

 

[TiberiusPrime]

I’ll give you an example. Most of us know the movie, Casablanca. I don’t know how many times I’ve watched it. The story comes together with a very tidy conclusion: We see the plane take off that has Ilsa and Laszlo on board. There’s a tense scene that ultimately ends with Rick killing the German officer, but Louis protects Rick by deflecting blame. Now both Rick and Louis are in trouble, and the film ends with them both walking into the misty darkness of the airfield with the notion that they will both have to get out of Casablanca.

So what did Rick and Louis do after that final scene? There was no follow up movie.

"Passage to Marseille" is often considered an unofficial "sequel" to Casablanca.

 

[ruddygore]

"Passage to Marseille" is often considered an unofficial "sequel" to Casablanca.

Pretty much all my stories are parody. Believable parody of stuff in the public domain.

It’s possible Anne McCaffrey is one of those authors who dislikes fanfic. Or maybe she was okay with it, just not on porn sites. Or maybe it doesn’t matter because she’s been dead since 2011. Ive heard conflicting reports. I’ve also never read her work, just heard of it. I suspect this is one of those situations where Laurel has the final word on what sort of fanfic can be published here.

If anybody's interested, a good example of what might be acceptable is Eric Flints 1632 series. He publicly opened the setting to others to write stories with a few caveats. The main one was you couldn't use any existing characters without the permission of that character's creator. Also, no handwavium. They are able to accelerate progress, but have to work within what were the existing constraints at the time. Several published SF&F authors got their start sriting for that series.

 

[RagnarHairyBreeches]

1632

I'd never heard of this. I had to look up wiki. Fascinating. The story could be good. The idea that it can be enhanced in different ways by others is fabulous.

 

[LydaMarbanks]

It’s possible Anne McCaffrey is one of those authors who dislikes fanfic. Or maybe she was okay with it, just not on porn sites. Or maybe it doesn’t matter because she’s been dead since 2011. Ive heard conflicting reports.

Her son inherited her literary estate and, while he doesn't endorse fanfic, he is basically on record as, "don't ask, don't tell." Or, in other words, they won't do anything about it unless it cuts into their profits or reputation.

 

[RagnarHairyBreeches]

I was in the car and turned on the radio the other day. It was part way through a weekly 'writers' program. A half hour broadcast that talks about new books and interviews authors. I caught an interesting part of the program.

You'll remember Stieg Larsson who wrote the series beginning with The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. It turns out that there are a couple of other authors who have continued the story. It might be interesting to follow up on. Though, I got the impression one of the authors had moved away from Lisbeth and focused on some other family member.

Just putting it out there should anyone have loved the books and interested. It was news to me.

 

[MetaBob]

I quite like science fiction. I’m a fan of the various Star Trek shows. Roddenberry was always interested in titillating the audience a little. Sometimes there are scenes or dialogue that leave me wondering where it would have gone next.

Has anyone here ever followed up on those missing scenes by creating their own story?

I’ll give you an example. Most of us know the movie, Casablanca. I don’t know how many times I’ve watched it. The story comes together with a very tidy conclusion: We see the plane take off that has Ilsa and Laszlo on board. There’s a tense scene that ultimately ends with Rick killing the German officer, but Louis protects Rick by deflecting blame. Now both Rick and Louis are in trouble, and the film ends with them both walking into the misty darkness of the airfield with the notion that they will both have to get out of Casablanca.

So what did Rick and Louis do after that final scene? There was no follow up movie.

Well, that wasn’t the end of the story for one author. I came across a book many years ago that featured the same characters that were in the film. It picked up where Casablanca left off. Rick joined the resistance and worked with Ilsa and Laslow in fighting the Nazis. It also filled in some of Ricks background and how he came to be in Casablanca as we saw in the film.

I have to say, one of the reasons I watch the film is to swoon over Ingrid Bergman. She looks so good in that movie. The book allowed me to think of the original characters. I knew what they looked like and how they spoke, and it was interesting to have another story. With every bit of dialogue in the book I could hear the actual voices in my head as they were in the movie.

So, with that idea in mind. I’ve been wondering about similar themes. Star Trek themes.

In the series Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Odo and Kira fall in love. That would be weird relationship with him being a shape shifter. With his slinky manipulative abilities their time in bed could be interesting.

There are plenty of other examples. At one point Riker gets absorbed into a black sludge like entity. We don’t get to see what happened to him while in there. That could be interesting to follow up too.

In the movie ST: Insurrection, Picard meets a woman from the planet that he falls for. She has the ability to slow time. What else do they do when time slows for them, besides admiring the scenery.

And we know that Data is fully functional. We never see him in bed but what would sex with an android be like?

But like the Casablanca sequel I mentioned, there are heaps of series and movies out there that could have gone in other directions. Put it this way, at one point Rick says to Ilsa, "We'll always have Paris." The movie doesn't go into what they did in Paris. Hints only, of course. There could be a story or two there?

Has anyone had a go at doing anything like this?

I started a novel that followed the TNG episode "Relics", which had Scotty as a character. The first 40 pages and an outline for the rest were solid enough to interest a Literary agent who pitched it to the one company authorized to publish Star Trek novels. They wanted to see the full manuscript, but there was no guarantee they would accept it if I finished it, and there was nowhere else for a completed, rejected novel to go other than, you know, fanfic. So I set it aside and worked on other things instead.

And I've read some pritdam awful Star Trek novels, but one never knows how those came to be published. Connections, maybe?

 

[alohadave]

It’s possible Anne McCaffrey is one of those authors who dislikes fanfic. Or maybe she was okay with it, just not on porn sites.

She had rules for fanfic that authors had to follow, and no porn was allowed.

http://pernhome.com/aim/anne-mccaffrey/fans/fan-fiction-rules/

Or maybe it doesn’t matter because she’s been dead since 2011. Ive heard conflicting reports.

Oh she's dead. She was 85 when she died. Her son has continued her stories.

 

[Britva415]

both Rick and Louis are in trouble, and the film ends with them both walking into the misty darkness of the airfield with the notion that they will both have to get out of Casablanca

They go off and enjoy what was euphemistically called a "beautiful friendship."

Damn Hollywood Code

 

[MillieDynamite]

The Big Sleep happened after Casablanca!

 

[MillieDynamite]

Yeah, I'm a smartalex.

 

[iwatchus]

I was just think about saying he fell in love with Lauren Bacall. (There first move together was To Have and Have Not.) I'm a sucker for their love story.

 

[YmaOHyd]

I know after I have a beautiful friendship I like a big sleep.