What good is the filibuster anyway?

[pecksniff]

"Bottom line is very simple. The ideologues in the Senate want to turn what the Founding Fathers called the cooling saucer of democracy . . .

Historically, the Senate has never really been of any good use in that regard. I cannot think of a single instance in which a House bill died in the Senate and that was, in hindsight, a good thing.

 

[LittleDixie]

Historically, the Senate has never really been of any good use in that regard. I cannot think of a single instance in which a House bill died in the Senate and that was, in hindsight, a good thing.

You have an absence of anecdotal evidence. Not sure that qualifies as an argument.

 

[pecksniff]

And they totally don't see it.

See post #123.

 

[pecksniff]

You have an absence of anecdotal evidence. Not sure that qualifies as an argument.

You can provide the anecdotal evidence if you wish. What House bills ever died in the Senate, and not regrettably?

 

[GothTalk]

You can provide the anecdotal evidence if you wish. What House bills ever died in the Senate, and not regrettably?

So many subjective bullshit qualifiers to defend your power gabbing and ignore reality.

The nuber of times they used it when they weren't in poqer, especially in the last few decades, is all we need to confirm democrats are power grabby hypocrites.

 

[pecksniff]

So many subjective bullshit qualifiers to defend your power gabbing and ignore reality.

The nuber of times they used it when they weren't in poqer, especially in the last few decades, is all we need to confirm democrats are power grabby hypocrites.

Name the bills so affected.

 

[Wrong Element]

Democrats don't want compromise, they want power....the authority to put the entire country under their bootheel.

Remember the "compromise" used to appoint the last three members of the Supreme Court? Maybe you can link me to it somewhere.

 

[YDB95]

Extensively and enthusiastically, when they are the minority.

Examples, please. When have the Dems used the filibuster in the past half-century? You say it has happened "extensively", yet you haven't pointed to a single example.

 

[GothTalk]

Name the bills so affected.

Examples, please. When have the Dems used the filibuster in the past half-century? You say it has happened "extensively", yet you haven't pointed to a single example.

Congressional records are public.

Not that you care for facts when they don't support your narrative.

 

[GothTalk]

Remember the "compromise" used to appoint the last three members of the Supreme Court? Maybe you can link me to it somewhere.

Appointments, unlike legislation, are not a matter of compromise.

Nice pointless false equivalency fallacy though.

 

[LittleDixie]

You can provide the anecdotal evidence if you wish. What House bills ever died in the Senate, and not regrettably?

I'm in no way in a position to know that, but since the purpose of the Senate is to be a filter for bad laws, one might assume that all of the bills that didn't clear the Senate had flaws that made them bad laws.

I don't have any insider Senate knowledge, but that's the role of that chamber.

 

[pecksniff]

Appointments, unlike legislation, are not a matter of compromise.

Of course it is -- if appointee A gets shot down, the administration can always offer compromise candidate B, someone to whom the objections against A do not apply.

 

[pecksniff]

I'm in no way in a position to know that, but since the purpose of the Senate is to be a filter for bad laws, one might assume that all of the bills that didn't clear the Senate had flaws that made them bad laws.

I don't have any insider Senate knowledge, but that's the role of that chamber.

Historically, the most important bills that didn't clear the Senate were anti-lynching laws and civil rights legislation. And that's just postbellum.

 

[GothTalk]

Of course it is -- .

Show me where in the Constitution.

 

[pecksniff]

Show me where in the Constitution.

Show me the word "compromise" in the Constitution.

 

[GothTalk]

Show me the word "compromise" in the Constitution.

You made the claim champ.

It's not my responsibility to support your insane bullshit.

 

[pecksniff]

You're the one who made the claim champ....you find it.

My claim is that appointment is a matter for compromise because that's how it works. Compromise is always an option, a more acceptable nominee can always be offered. That's not the kind of thing the Constitution even needs to specify.

 

[GothTalk]

My claim is that appointment is a matter for compromise because that's how it works. Compromise is always an option, a more acceptable nominee can always be offered. That's not the kind of thing the Constitution even needs to specify.

Your claim is demonstrable bullshit as PROVEN by the appointment of Sotomayor and continued by Trump.

It's not a matter for compromise, it's a matter of partisan politics. That is the cold harsh reality of it.

 

[YDB95]

Congressional records are public.

Not that you care for facts when they don't support your narrative.

You made the claim champ.

It's not my responsibility to support your insane bullshit.

I literally don't have to add a single word this time.

 

[Rightguide]

"What good is the filibuster anyway"

Ask your own party:

Democrats used filibuster 327 times, compared to only once by GOP in 2020: Report
by Andrew Mark Miller, Deputy Social Media Editor | | March 26, 2021 06:18 PM

President Joe Biden has been increasingly critical of the Senate filibuster, calling it a Jim Crow relic and saying it has been widely abused despite Democrats using it over 300 times in 2020, compared to once by Republicans.

“After @POTUS @JoeBiden denounced the rampant abuse of the filibuster last year, we did some digging,” Fox News anchor John Roberts tweeted Friday. “Republicans used it once. Democrats used it 327 times.”

In his first solo press conference since taking office, Biden said he agreed with former President Barack Obama’s newly adopted belief that the filibuster tactic is a “Jim Crow relic.”

Biden also expressed frustration with how often the filibuster has been used and specifically took issue with how it was “abused” last year.

“I was going to give you the statistics, but you probably know them, that it used to be that — that from between 1917 to 1971, the filibuster existed, there was a total of 58 motions to break a filibuster that whole time,” Biden said in the press conference. “Last year alone, there were 5 times that many. So it's being abused in a gigantic way.”

More here:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/democrats-used-filibuster-over-300-times-gop-once

 

[pecksniff]

Your claim is demonstrable bullshit as PROVEN by the appointment of Sotomayor and continued by Trump.

It's not a matter for compromise, it's a matter of partisan politics. That is the cold harsh reality of it.

Compromise is part of partisan politics. At least, it always was, before the Republican Revolution of 1994.

 

[pecksniff]

Ask your own party:

Democrats used filibuster 327 times, compared to only once by GOP in 2020: Report
by Andrew Mark Miller, Deputy Social Media Editor | | March 26, 2021 06:18 PM

The story says that, but provides no substantiation.

 

[GothTalk]

I literally don't have to add a single word this time.

That's because there is nothing there.

 

[GothTalk]

The story says that, but provides no substantiation.

Again, the record is public.

 

[YDB95]

That's because there is nothing there.

Sure there is. First you said it was someone else's responsibility to prove your baseless claims wrong, then you said it wasn't your responsibility to prove or disprove someone else's claims. Within half an hour of each other, too.